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06/22/2006 12:05:25 PM · #1 |
I wonder if it would'nt be such a bad idea to have different classifications in challenges according to hardware: DSLR, SLR LIKE, Point and Shoot.
How can someone get a fair vote if his/her submission is limited by the capacity of their hardware? |
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06/22/2006 12:10:54 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by ovaclock:
I wonder if it would'nt be such a bad idea to have different classifications in challenges according to hardware: DSLR, SLR LIKE, Point and Shoot.
How can someone get a fair vote if his/her submission is limited by the capacity of their hardware? |
I don't think ANYBODY is "limited" by hardware. See my profile and tell me what shots I did with what camera and I'll give you a membership. |
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06/22/2006 12:11:21 PM · #3 |
| Go through the galleries and the past challenges, and you will see that not all amazing images come from dSLRs. Sure my camera can't expose for 30 seconds, but I don't mind missing a challenge because of that. The rest of the challenges are just as fun. Just cause you have a torque-wrench, does not mean you can put together an engine. Having a dSLR has nothing to do with good photography. A bad composition is a bad composition, even if it was made by a 1Ds.. |
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06/22/2006 12:11:23 PM · #4 |
and others ... |
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06/22/2006 12:11:53 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by ovaclock:
I wonder if it would'nt be such a bad idea to have different classifications in challenges according to hardware: DSLR, SLR LIKE, Point and Shoot.
How can someone get a fair vote if his/her submission is limited by the capacity of their hardware? |
edit to exempt: all OLDer P&S camera ie. General's first camera. |
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06/22/2006 12:14:39 PM · #6 |
With proper processing, and exposure, photos on this site would get a fair vote no matter what with the exception of cell phone cameras and VERY old ones. At a resolution of 640x640, it doesn't really matter whether you have 3mp or 16.7mp. That only comes into play when you look at full size images and enlargements.
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06/22/2006 12:17:52 PM · #7 |
Here's a 1-megapixel blue ribbon winner from 2004:
Generally speaking, the photographer is the limiting factor, not the camera. Kiwiness and Librodo would still dominate with a P&S or EVF camera. Categorizing by hardware is like sorting chefs in a cooking competition by what pans they're using. :-/ |
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06/22/2006 12:19:17 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Here's a 1-megapixel blue ribbon winner from 2004:
Generally speaking, the photographer is the limiting factor, not the camera. Kiwiness and Librodo would still dominate with a P&S or EVF camera. Categorizing by hardware is like sorting chefs in a cooking competition by what pans they're using. :-/ |
I remember that one. That is a great picture. Perfect example.
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06/22/2006 01:20:15 PM · #9 |
I'm not advocating a change as mentioned for challenge classifications based on equipment.
I agree with the comments along the lines of it's the photographer, not the camera, that gets the shot. Much can be said about having a good eye for photography, etc...
However, that being said, equipment CAN make a difference. I'll use the following example from the 'Take Two' challenge and DPChallenge member coolhar.
Harveys entry for 'Take Two' is a wonderful capture. He found the right place and timed the shot well, resulting in a sharp, well-composed image.
Equipment for this shot: Canon EOS 20D, 300 F4 lens. Score 7.082
This shot ('Grace' challenge), taken from a similar vantage point, while nice, does not have the same impact as the one taken for 'Take Two'.
Equipment for this shot: Canon Powershot Pro 90. Score 5.438
There may be other examples out there from the 'Take Two' challenge, this one just happened to jump out at me recently.
To summarize; the photographer is the key, but equipment can make a difference. |
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06/22/2006 01:26:10 PM · #10 |
Plenty of people with P&S can completely own me with my 20d.
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I'm not advocating a change as mentioned for challenge classifications based on equipment.
I agree with the comments along the lines of it's the photographer, not the camera, that gets the shot. Much can be said about having a good eye for photography, etc...
However, that being said, equipment CAN make a difference. I'll use the following example from the 'Take Two' challenge and DPChallenge member coolhar.
Harveys entry for 'Take Two' is a wonderful capture. He found the right place and timed the shot well, resulting in a sharp, well-composed image.
Equipment for this shot: Canon EOS 20D, 300 F4 lens. Score 7.082
This shot ('Grace' challenge), taken from a similar vantage point, while nice, does not have the same impact as the one taken for 'Take Two'.
Equipment for this shot: Canon Powershot Pro 90. Score 5.438
There may be other examples out there from the 'Take Two' challenge, this one just happened to jump out at me recently.
To summarize; the photographer is the key, but equipment can make a difference. |
True, it can make a difference. But then we'd have to segregate by lenses, too. Having a dSLR doesn't automatically give you a 300mm reach which is essentially the difference in this example. |
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06/22/2006 01:29:13 PM · #11 |
Still haven't beat my S602 with my D70. :(
Got a nice color ribbon, but not a higher score. :)
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06/22/2006 01:45:38 PM · #12 |
You were bound to get slammed for that idea.
AS far as extreme realism goes, you might have a point .. but this site is about interesting images, not necessarilly perfection. Since you're competing with professionals, it's tough ... but that makes it extra fun IMO.
I was just asking people for lens advice .. I suddenly wanted to spend 500$ on each lens ... but my end result was just going with "cheap" Nikon lenses because I have million dollar eyes andd those beat any lens :) LOL!!
I think back to before my dSLR (my Coolpix era) and it was a more creative time in my life-- it was about capturing something interesting and presenting it in an interesting way. I look back at some of that stuff and think I had a better result then than I do now.
Since the challenge images are a max of 640 pixels, that pretty much does it for any camera nowadays. If you want to shoot pictures of horse-races like the example in this thread, than you might be limited by equipment -- but DON't enter that stuff without making it really interesting or cool in some way.
IMHO, The real advantage some people have is post-processing. We divide the challenges for Basic and Advanced to help compensate for this a bit, I guess.
PS: i just noticed the camera from your profile. I got a Panasonic Lumix FZ7 thingy to try to replace a big zoom lens on the SLR ... Starts to make me want to retract some of the stuff I said before. It is TOUGH to get images with a natural feel off of that camera. I was enthusiastic at first but havn't had much luck getting a clean, clear lifelike image. Given - they can be taken, but admittedly not as easilly. That camera doess have some sweet features that give you a better chance - like the machine-gun rapid fire mode! ..
I might advise trying a Nikon ... even an old 885 or something - I've always had luck with them.
PS: sorry I'm long-winded.
Message edited by author 2006-06-22 14:01:48.
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06/22/2006 01:46:56 PM · #13 |
| What I lack even more than skill is creativity. I think that's what really does well here. Can we separate challenges into mega creative vs. creativity of a stone? |
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06/22/2006 01:50:09 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by mk:
What I lack even more than skill is creativity. I think that's what really does well here. Can we separate challenges into mega creative vs. creativity of a stone? |
I 2nd this idea, very creative thinking of you mk. :) |
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06/22/2006 02:00:28 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by mk:
What I lack even more than skill is creativity. I think that's what really does well here. Can we separate challenges into mega creative vs. creativity of a stone? |
What if I have the creativity of a fruit?
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06/22/2006 02:03:40 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by pidge:
... What if I have the creativity of a fruit? |
Be fruitful and capture the blossom of your youth! |
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06/22/2006 02:05:02 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by pidge:
... What if I have the creativity of a fruit? |
Be fruitful and capture the blossom of your youth! |
What if it's rotten? :P
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06/22/2006 02:05:42 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by pidge:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by pidge:
... What if I have the creativity of a fruit? |
Be fruitful and capture the blossom of your youth! |
What if it's rotten? :P |
DNMC |
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06/22/2006 02:15:48 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by pidge:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by pidge:
... What if I have the creativity of a fruit? |
Be fruitful and capture the blossom of your youth! |
What if it's rotten? :P |
Blossom...as in flower. Get it - flower??? Flower shots are fun and well discussed as a creative capture.
Sorry. Couldn't help taking a poke at forum politics. ;^) |
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06/22/2006 03:34:11 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I'm not advocating a change as mentioned for challenge classifications based on equipment.
I agree with the comments along the lines of it's the photographer, not the camera, that gets the shot. Much can be said about having a good eye for photography, etc...
However, that being said, equipment CAN make a difference. I'll use the following example from the 'Take Two' challenge and DPChallenge member coolhar.
Harveys entry for 'Take Two' is a wonderful capture. He found the right place and timed the shot well, resulting in a sharp, well-composed image.
Equipment for this shot: Canon EOS 20D, 300 F4 lens. Score 7.082
This shot ('Grace' challenge), taken from a similar vantage point, while nice, does not have the same impact as the one taken for 'Take Two'.
Equipment for this shot: Canon Powershot Pro 90. Score 5.438
There may be other examples out there from the 'Take Two' challenge, this one just happened to jump out at me recently.
To summarize; the photographer is the key, but equipment can make a difference. |
Thanks Barry for using my shots as your example, very flattering. I do have much better equipment now than when I started out on dpc; and I am earning much better scores in the challenges. There is no way to quantify how much of the improvement is due to the better stuff but it is certainly at least a small factor in it. I'd like to think that the biggest difference in those two shots in inside my head. If I had to label it, I would call it experience. Nowdays, when I raise the camera to my eye, there are things that come to mind almost sub-consciously that I never knew about a few years ago. And those notions would be there regardless of what camera I'm shooting with today. dpc is the biggest part of my education in digital photography, and the next biggest is just getting out there and shooting, and shooting, and shooting some more. To me, that is one of the major attractions of digital over film - that you can gain so much more experience in a much shorter time and without the expense. And I firmly believe that you can "learn by doing" with any camera. And that's where the challenges are so helpful, they make you do the things that you wouldn't tackle if left to your own desires.
Message edited by author 2006-06-22 15:37:44.
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06/22/2006 04:38:43 PM · #21 |
What can i say man, u ruffle feathers and sometimes u get pecked :)
I̢۪m not by any means trying to change the constitution of DPC or edit any bye-laws.
I merely suggested this after reviewing comments on other images. And seeing critics post negative comments on images that cant achieve maximum capacity because they were born of inferior hardware.
Yes! I know its the man behind the gun and all that. And I really don't mind my camera
being inferior to an SLR because it forces me to work harder to get that same shot and a great sense of accomplishment.
But I'm a newb & sometimes u gotta just jump in to determine the direction and strength of the current. Hence this POST.
That aside! I̢۪m here to learn from all of u guys, enhance my knowledge and of photography of which i know almost nothing and most of all enjoy myself.
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