Highlight/Shadow tool in Photoshop

06/04/2006 01:01:59 PM · #26

Originally posted by Rgarcia:

I discovered this tool last year with Photoshop CS and I use it a lot!!

Hard to disagree with a blue ribbon winner! Think I need to study that tool more. :)

You did a fantastic job with your original using shadow/highlight to create a winner. I notice in your winning entry there is some haloing around the cross (but nowhere else). Did that come from Shadow/Highlight? One of the criticisms of the tool at DPC is that it produces unwanted haloing effects.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

06/04/2006 01:21:44 PM · #27

Originally posted by stdavidson:

Originally posted by Rgarcia:
I discovered this tool last year with Photoshop CS and I use it a lot!!

Hard to disagree with a blue ribbon winner! Think I need to study that tool more. :)

You did a fantastic job with your original using shadow/highlight to create a winner. I notice in your winning entry there is some haloing around the cross (but nowhere else). Did that come from Shadow/Highlight? One of the criticisms of the tool at DPC is that it produces unwanted haloing effects.

Yep, it is the dreaded haloing effect created by this tool, only in this case it gave the image an extra punch. ;-)

Ennil

Nikon D200

06/04/2006 01:25:16 PM · #28

Mehmet Turgutuses it.

A lot.

GinaRothfels

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

06/04/2006 01:39:32 PM · #29

You can get a natural effect by using it subtly or you can take it to extremes like this.

06/04/2006 01:45:28 PM · #30

Originally posted by Rgarcia:

Yep, it is the dreaded haloing effect created by this tool, only in this case it gave the image an extra punch. ;-)

Wow... I would have swore that was added for effect. Do you know what setting change you made that most generated the halo?

Dang, the thing I don't like about Shadow/Highlight is that your settings are not preserved like they are with adjustment layers. I'd really like to know your exact settings for this image so I could take your original and play around with it to gain a better understanding of the tool.

06/04/2006 01:52:18 PM · #31

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

You can get a natural effect by using it subtly or you can take it to extremes like this.

Am I misinterpreting or did you only make one slider adjustment using Shadow/Highlight? That is what it looks like in your notes. Looks like your extreme brightness/contrast adjustment had plenty to do with how this image turned out to.

06/04/2006 01:57:51 PM · #32

Originally posted by stdavidson:

Originally posted by Rgarcia:

Yep, it is the dreaded haloing effect created by this tool, only in this case it gave the image an extra punch. ;-)

Wow... I would have swore that was added for effect. Do you know what setting change you made that most generated the halo?

Dang, the thing I don't like about Shadow/Highlight is that your settings are not preserved like they are with adjustment layers. I'd really like to know your exact settings for this image so I could take your original and play around with it to gain a better understanding of the tool.

Jejeje... Unfortunately at that time I didn't use the log feature to record the exact changes, but to tell you the truth... This was the first time I used it and I went crazy with all the sliders in advanced mode, plus I used it several times alternating with the brightness/contrast trying to get a nice marble texture in the cross... When I saw what it was doing with the light and sky I simply used the tonal width and radius to maximize the dramatic effect.

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

06/04/2006 02:02:32 PM · #33

Yes the history log set to "detailed" will preserve the shadow/highlights settings.

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

06/04/2006 03:06:47 PM · #34

HereÂ´s another effect I like about this tool.
The editing steps used were:
Shadow/Highlight
Shadow: Parameters
Amount: 48%
Tone Width: 50%
Radius: 80
Highlight: Parameters
Amount: 33%
Tone Width: 60%
Radius: 30
Black Clip: 0.01
White Clip: 0.01
Contrast: 0
Color Correction: 20

I first turn both "Amount" values to 0 then I tweak the Highlight "Amount" value to a desirable effect, then I compensate with the Shadow "Amount" value. Then I play with "Tone Width" and "Radius" values in both to get the final result.

puzzled

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

06/04/2006 03:12:32 PM · #35

Originally posted by raish:

Many thanks, but the tilde (~) thing is probably not on the same key on my Scandinavian keyboard. Where is it on the English/American one?

I'm on a Scandinavian keyboard, too - and it drove me nuts not being able to use the ~ symbol. As you can see, it is on this keyboard, but you have to push the space bar after a couple of other key combos.

For anyone else having trouble with this, you can get the ctrl+tilde combination in any of the following ways:
alt+ctrl+1
alt+ctrl+2
alt+ctrl+3
and by ctrl-clicking the RGB channel, as stdavidson wrote above.

Yay! Now I can do contrast masking the dpc way. It's a great technique - thanks, Bear and GeneralE, for bringing it up in the Landscape thread. I'm having a blast playing with it ... it's more fun than Shadow/highlight.

puzzled

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

06/04/2006 03:19:04 PM · #36

Originally posted by Rgarcia:

I first turn both "Amount" values to 0 then I tweak the Highlight "Amount" value to a desirable effect, then I compensate with the Shadow "Amount" value. Then I play with "Tone Width" and "Radius" values in both to get the final result.

This is a really nice tip. I get so frustrated with Shadow/highlight, but you're giving me hope. GREAT image, by the way. Was it the Shadow/highlight that helped you clean away the mist so well or did you use another method? Your result is very clean and natural looking!

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

06/04/2006 03:22:44 PM · #37

Originally posted by puzzled:

Originally posted by Rgarcia:

I first turn both "Amount" values to 0 then I tweak the Highlight "Amount" value to a desirable effect, then I compensate with the Shadow "Amount" value. Then I play with "Tone Width" and "Radius" values in both to get the final result.

This is a really nice tip. I get so frustrated with Shadow/highlight, but you're giving me hope. GREAT image, by the way. Was it the Shadow/highlight that helped you clean away the mist so well or did you use another method? Your result is very clean and natural looking!

Yep! That's the only Photoshop edit I used (besides resizing) for example purposes.
BTW thanks for your compliment!!

Message edited by author 2006-06-04 16:44:25.

oOWonderBreadOo

Canon EOS-5D

06/04/2006 03:24:52 PM · #38

another tip I use a lot is the ctrl+alt+~ invert selection. make a new layer out of that selection and use the shadow highlights on only that layer. gives me much more control. you can use this for the highlights as well of course.

edit to say and less haloing too...

Message edited by author 2006-06-04 15:25:50.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

06/04/2006 03:30:11 PM · #39

Originally posted by oOWonderBreadOo:

Mmmm... Interesting, I hadn't tried it like this. Thanks a lot for sharing!! :-)

BeeCee

Nikon D40

06/04/2006 03:47:45 PM · #40

Disclaimer: I know nothing about layers yet, so everything I do is simple and on the original layer. Granted, this shot didn't do well in the challenge, but I think it's a pretty typical example of a common and simple use of highlight/shadow.

06/04/2006 03:55:51 PM · #41

Originally posted by oOWonderBreadOo:

That is an interesting variation to using 1/2 of the DPC "Contrast Masking" technique.

oOWonderBreadOo, oOWonderBreadOo... teach me! I am putty in your hands.

(Please feel free to substitute one of your cute, single, witty, female friends. I can be putty in their hands, too. LOL!!!)

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

06/04/2006 04:04:22 PM · #42

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Now you are talking... you applied Shadow/Highlight exactly the way it is intended. Nice job!

But you and I still need to have a little talk about doing everything on the original layer. Maybe we could do that downtown by the dock near the ferry landing on a nice day sometime. :) LOL!

oOWonderBreadOo

Canon EOS-5D

06/04/2006 04:24:55 PM · #43

Originally posted by stdavidson:

oOWonderBreadOo, oOWonderBreadOo... teach me! I am putty in your hands.

(Please feel free to substitute one of your cute, single, witty, female friends. I can be putty in their hands, too. LOL!!!)

you are a silly silly man... you need help. I must send over my single nurse friend immediately! :0P

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

06/04/2006 05:09:07 PM · #44

Originally posted by oOWonderBreadOo:

Originally posted by stdavidson:

oOWonderBreadOo, oOWonderBreadOo... teach me! I am putty in your hands.

(Please feel free to substitute one of your cute, single, witty, female friends. I can be putty in their hands, too. LOL!!!)

you are a silly silly man... you need help. I must send over my single nurse friend immediately! :0P

I gotta be me!

xianart

Canon EOS-7D

06/04/2006 06:40:36 PM · #45

thanks for showing this! you've just saved both my empty room entry and an old shot i wanted, but just couldn't get right!

GinaRothfels

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

06/04/2006 06:44:44 PM · #46

Originally posted by stdavidson:

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

You can get a natural effect by using it subtly or you can take it to extremes like this.

Am I misinterpreting or did you only make one slider adjustment using Shadow/Highlight? That is what it looks like in your notes. Looks like your extreme brightness/contrast adjustment had plenty to do with how this image turned out to.

Yes the contrast adjustments had a lot to do with the colour. But it was shadow/highlights adjustments that created the halo.

Edit to add: Looking at another post, it appears that shadows/highlights offers different options in more advanced versions of Photoshop. I'm only using elements 3, so I probably have less control than what was done to some of the other images shown here.

Message edited by author 2006-06-04 18:50:18.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

06/04/2006 06:45:33 PM · #47

Originally posted by xianart:

thanks for showing this! you've just saved both my empty room entry....

Oh NO! I'm gunning for that one...

R.

06/04/2006 08:01:51 PM · #48

Originally posted by xianart:

thanks for showing this! you've just saved both my empty room entry and an old shot i wanted, but just couldn't get right!

Jejeje... Good luck!!

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

06/04/2006 08:25:06 PM · #49

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Nice example. Just to offer you a suggestion, you may want to use selective color to make your whites whiter in the areas you brighten up using Shadow/Highlights. Here is a quick version for comparision:

Your version

Whiter version