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05/06/2006 03:06:11 AM · #501 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Ideally, any "draft pool" listing would include at a minimum the photographer's name and lifetime average, and if possible number of ribbons and number of top 10's...
R. |
So when I make up the list of photographers that want to participate I need to list them as follows:
Username - Overall Average - # of Ribbons - # of Top 10's
I can do that (I think).....
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05/06/2006 03:10:27 AM · #502 |
I think having brand-specific teams is a concept that needs to stay, simply because there's more passion involved; i.e., if you have a team of completely random people, not sure what the motivation is. But if at stake is the decade-old Nikon vs. Canon debate, for instance, it just seems to give it that extra boost.
Just a lowly substitute photographer talkin though, so don't mind me :) |
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05/06/2006 03:20:31 AM · #503 |
I like random people...that way you can just make up a name...be creative...have fun and shoot. That’s initially how I thought it would all work outâ€Â¦but getting together with like cameras is fine I have nothing wrong with anything that the WPL has becomeâ€Â¦pretty cool really. Glad to be part of this.
Clint
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05/06/2006 03:22:00 AM · #504 |
Sent. I provided some instructions in the email. Once you have it installed just play around with it to see if it's something useful. If we did do a draft every team captain who is drafting could use the tool to track their picks and the draft in general.
Message edited by author 2006-05-06 03:22:34.
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05/06/2006 03:28:23 AM · #505 |
Originally posted by MrXpress:
I think having brand-specific teams is a concept that needs to stay, simply because there's more passion involved; i.e., if you have a team of completely random people, not sure what the motivation is. But if at stake is the decade-old Nikon vs. Canon debate, for instance, it just seems to give it that extra boost. |
I'm pretty sure I speak for the entire of Team Pentax when I say we agree with you.
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05/06/2006 03:29:18 AM · #506 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Sent. I provided some instructions in the email. Once you have it installed just play around with it to see if it's something useful. If we did do a draft every team captain who is drafting could use the tool to track their picks and the draft in general. |
Thanks, I will check it out in the morning. It's 3:30 am and I have been working on this all day so I thinks it's time for me to get some sleep.
Again thanks everyone for your concerns, suggestions, and kind remarks. See everyone a few hour later after some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
-SDW
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05/06/2006 03:34:00 AM · #507 |
Originally posted by GIS_boy:
Originally posted by MrXpress:
I think having brand-specific teams is a concept that needs to stay, simply because there's more passion involved; i.e., if you have a team of completely random people, not sure what the motivation is. But if at stake is the decade-old Nikon vs. Canon debate, for instance, it just seems to give it that extra boost. |
I'm pretty sure I speak for the entire of Team Pentax when I say we agree with you. |
Yup, Team Pentax would like to remain as a team. |
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05/06/2006 03:46:24 AM · #508 |
Originally posted by lepidus:
Originally posted by GIS_boy:
Originally posted by MrXpress:
I think having brand-specific teams is a concept that needs to stay, simply because there's more passion involved; i.e., if you have a team of completely random people, not sure what the motivation is. But if at stake is the decade-old Nikon vs. Canon debate, for instance, it just seems to give it that extra boost. |
I'm pretty sure I speak for the entire of Team Pentax when I say we agree with you. |
Yup, Team Pentax would like to remain as a team. |
To add to that Marc I think that the majority of 20D, Team Nikon, Team XT Rebels, The Olypians, Team KM and Team Smite members would feel the same way. (Note: I didn't say all members)
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05/06/2006 07:23:08 AM · #509 |
Originally posted by GIS_boy:
Originally posted by lepidus:
Originally posted by GIS_boy:
Originally posted by MrXpress:
I think having brand-specific teams is a concept that needs to stay, simply because there's more passion involved; i.e., if you have a team of completely random people, not sure what the motivation is. But if at stake is the decade-old Nikon vs. Canon debate, for instance, it just seems to give it that extra boost. |
I'm pretty sure I speak for the entire of Team Pentax when I say we agree with you. |
Yup, Team Pentax would like to remain as a team. |
To add to that Marc I think that the majority of 20D, Team Nikon, Team XT Rebels, The Olypians, Team KM and Team Smite members would feel the same way. (Note: I didn't say all members) |
Same goes for the Mag 7, at least five of us have expressed a will to continue in the second season, the other two want to but are not sure they can because will be abroad and other stuff that will keep them busy. |
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05/06/2006 07:26:44 AM · #510 |
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
4. WPL will add all photographers̢۪ high score on a team and divided it by the amount of photographers that participated and that will be the teams̢۪ score for that week. |
I can imagine that some team members may elect not to participate if they think their submission is below par resulting in a lower team score. I know I'd rather sit out than enter a below average submission if it was going to hurt the team.
The good thing about the current system is that everyone is comfortable submitting as we all know only the top 4 scores will be used.
Just my 2c.
bazz. |
Yup, gotta agree with this one too, I would think twice before submitting just for this reason. |
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05/06/2006 07:33:50 AM · #511 |
Originally posted by GIS_boy:
Originally posted by lepidus:
Originally posted by GIS_boy:
Originally posted by MrXpress:
I think having brand-specific teams is a concept that needs to stay, simply because there's more passion involved; i.e., if you have a team of completely random people, not sure what the motivation is. But if at stake is the decade-old Nikon vs. Canon debate, for instance, it just seems to give it that extra boost. |
I'm pretty sure I speak for the entire of Team Pentax when I say we agree with you. |
Yup, Team Pentax would like to remain as a team. |
To add to that Marc I think that the majority of 20D, Team Nikon, Team XT Rebels, The Olypians, Team KM and Team Smite members would feel the same way. (Note: I didn't say all members) |
I certainly agree. It wouldn't be nearly as fun in random teams!
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05/06/2006 02:09:08 PM · #512 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by GIS_boy:
Originally posted by lepidus:
Originally posted by GIS_boy:
Originally posted by MrXpress:
I think having brand-specific teams is a concept that needs to stay, simply because there's more passion involved; i.e., if you have a team of completely random people, not sure what the motivation is. But if at stake is the decade-old Nikon vs. Canon debate, for instance, it just seems to give it that extra boost. |
I'm pretty sure I speak for the entire of Team Pentax when I say we agree with you. |
Yup, Team Pentax would like to remain as a team. |
To add to that Marc I think that the majority of 20D, Team Nikon, Team XT Rebels, The Olypians, Team KM and Team Smite members would feel the same way. (Note: I didn't say all members) |
I certainly agree. It wouldn't be nearly as fun in random teams! |
I don't think random teams is even being considered. If we did go with something different say a draft you'd be drafting people who you want on the team so nothing will change in that regard.
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05/06/2006 02:24:06 PM · #513 |
Originally posted by GIS_boy:
Originally posted by lepidus:
Originally posted by GIS_boy:
Originally posted by MrXpress:
I think having brand-specific teams is a concept that needs to stay, simply because there's more passion involved; i.e., if you have a team of completely random people, not sure what the motivation is. But if at stake is the decade-old Nikon vs. Canon debate, for instance, it just seems to give it that extra boost. |
I'm pretty sure I speak for the entire of Team Pentax when I say we agree with you. |
Yup, Team Pentax would like to remain as a team. |
To add to that Marc I think that the majority of 20D, Team Nikon, Team XT Rebels, The Olypians, Team KM and Team Smite members would feel the same way. (Note: I didn't say all members) |
Well, so far Team Pixelstorm wants to stay the same as well, with the same members, just waiting to hear back from two of them.
As for counting ALL the scores, I think the system in place now works extremely well, because like others if I know my shot won't do well I won't enter and that's not the point, right?
Deannda |
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05/06/2006 03:06:33 PM · #514 |
Baseball thrives because the New York Yankees are seen as the evil empire. You either love them or you hate them and it makes for fun baseball.
If Mag 7 has to play that role, then so be it. ;) |
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05/06/2006 03:21:30 PM · #515 |
With the exception of substitutes, I wouldn't change anything about the way this is run. The fact that we've lost to some teams or that it's highly unlikely we'll beat others hasn't made this any less fun for me at all. And I think the way the scores are currently tallied works just fine.
I do support the removal of substitutes. It's not impossible to play short a player - Team SMITE has done it just fine. If a provision does need to be made for substitutes, I'd second whoever said it should just be the next person off the waiting list. True, this isn't how we picked teams but it seems like some limitations should be placed on trading around players.
Thanks again Scott for all the work you've put into this. I think there was some skepticism about the competitive/team aspect in the beginning but I really think this has allowed people to have a focus and a renewed interest in DPC and that it's contributed to a positive atmosphere change around here. |
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05/06/2006 04:13:05 PM · #516 |
Of course the teams that are doing well would'nt wnat to change!!!!
Just had a thought that might keep everyone happy.
How about there are 3 divisions
1 division for teams with a low average
1 division for teams with a mid range average
1 division for teams with a high average
That way we could have teams that are drafted and affiliation teams and it does'nt seem so unfair when the Olympians are competeing against the Mag 7.
I think the idea needs fleshing out a little but what do you think?
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05/06/2006 04:58:07 PM · #517 |
Compromise
There are two leagues that contain two divisions.
League one will be a draft league and league two will be league where you choose you own teams. Since league one and two don't play each other until the playoffs. It will not effect each league during the season.
League one
-Division A
--Five Draft Teams
-Division B
--Five Draft Teams
League Two
-Division A
--Five set teams
-Division B
--Five set teams
Playoffs
League one
Division A Champion
Division B Champion
Wildcard Team
League Two
Division A Champion
Division B Champion
Wildcard Team
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05/06/2006 09:29:34 PM · #518 |
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05/06/2006 09:53:24 PM · #519 |
I like it Scott.
A good compromise that should suit both camps.
bazz.
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05/06/2006 09:59:42 PM · #520 |
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
I like it Scott.
A good compromise that should suit both camps.
bazz. |
Except that the "set" teams will absorb the Big Guns and one league will be considerably stronger, historically, than the other?
R.
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05/06/2006 10:03:10 PM · #521 |
We won't know what the available draft pool will look like until new people sign up. I suggest all new participants go into the draft pool and are not used to replace members on the existing team league. Then after the draft pool is filled the other league can fill whatever replacements they need for season two.
Message edited by author 2006-05-06 22:03:57.
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05/06/2006 10:07:44 PM · #522 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Except that the "set" teams will absorb the Big Guns and one league will be considerably stronger, historically, than the other?
R. |
I agree Robert
The set teams "will" get a higher proportion of the big guns but if Team Pentax happened to be a bunch of randoms in the draft league, I'd be happy to compete in it with the goal of winning our division. I think it would be a great thrill winning the draft division and then competing against the best from the Big Gun league in the grand final.
cheers,
bazz.
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05/06/2006 10:11:29 PM · #523 |
Just to let my team know.. I'm in for DPC Cinema.. going to *TRY* for night shot too.
I hope the playoffs end before the end of the month, or there could be trouble. lol |
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05/06/2006 11:10:36 PM · #524 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
I like it Scott.
A good compromise that should suit both camps.
bazz. |
Except that the "set" teams will absorb the Big Guns and one league will be considerably stronger, historically, than the other?
R. |
Yes you are correct that some of the top guns will be on set teams. But there is only 10 set teams and 10 Draft teams. I feel there are a lot of great talent out here that will spring up for the Draft.
Right now I know of three teams that want to stay together.
Look at it this way. WPL season two is going to have two leagues (Draft and set). If you win your league (Draft or Set) you have done what is being accomplished in WPL1. The only difference is that the winners of each league players each other for the championship. Those big gun teams may be tired by then. It's hard putting great numbers together that many weeks in a row.
Message edited by author 2006-05-07 02:35:49.
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05/06/2006 11:17:01 PM · #525 |
We could go on all day about "loaded" teams and "basic" or "average" teams but the truth be known, even the "BIG GUNS" have off days, look at scalvert. And the "average" teams can learn and grow and encourage each other. I have what is considered an "average" team but you know what? We won last week, and there's a good chance we could win again this week looking at my team scores so far. SO you just never know. I say let the teams that want to stay in, do just that, stay in, as is or if needed draft one or two more people if someone decides they can't do it from the pool after the draft teams are picked. I'm happy with my team, just waiting to hear from one more person to see if they still want to participate with us.
And define "fair" or "even", never ran into in my life, LOL :)
Deannda
Never ran into normal either but that might just be me ;P |
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