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05/05/2006 09:15:34 PM · #476 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Mag 7 is definitely a difficult team to balance out if all the members return for next year however if some did drop out or volunteered to switch teams then that would change things. |
I agree. I just sent a PM to my team to what their thoughts are for season 2. But I'd like to keep us together. We're a pretty even team. Just shooting above our averages. |
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05/05/2006 10:23:11 PM · #477 |
Originally posted by lepidus:
Originally posted by yanko:
Mag 7 is definitely a difficult team to balance out if all the members return for next year however if some did drop out or volunteered to switch teams then that would change things. |
I agree. I just sent a PM to my team to what their thoughts are for season 2. But I'd like to keep us together. We're a pretty even team. Just shooting above our averages. |
Your correct. I want WPL to not limit who you want on your team. I think the best is to have no handicap at all and let the teams choose there own photographers. But the difference would be instead of taking each photographers highest entry. We take each photographers entry and divide it by the amount of challenges they enter that week. And then take the 4 top photographers average score to make up the teams score.
Message edited by author 2006-05-05 22:24:30.
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05/05/2006 11:27:25 PM · #478 |
Thank you Scott for all the work you have put in you have been excellent in your approach to this.
A couple of suggestions I like are:
To keep the teams more even you could stipulate that each teams combine average at the start fall between a certain range for example 5.7 – 6.2 that way if a team is over that range they would have to actively seek lower average members. This would also prevent the stacking of teams.
I also like the idea of taking the two highest member scores combined with two lowest member scores to give the weekly average. This give a far better spread and true indication on how the team is going and also allows he lower average members to contribute.
Not so keen on the idea of working your average for the week by your combined entries. The problem I see with this is that someone who has an entry in the member challenge that is scoring well they will be hesitant in entering in the open challenge for fear of bringing their average down and the beauty of this competition is it’s encouraging more participation to the challenges.
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05/05/2006 11:31:56 PM · #479 |
I doesn't really matter which way you structure it. Team Pentax will win because of superior equipment :)
bazz.
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05/05/2006 11:34:33 PM · #480 |
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
I doesn't really matter which way you structure it. Team Pentax will win because of superior equipment :)
bazz. |
Yeah! What Bazz said! |
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05/05/2006 11:43:53 PM · #481 |
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
I doesn't really matter which way you structure it. Team Pentax will win because of superior equipment :)
bazz. |
LMAO Dreamer!!
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05/05/2006 11:52:50 PM · #482 |
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
I doesn't really matter which way you structure it. Team Pentax will win because of superior equipment :)
bazz. |
Speaking of which, how are you guys doing????
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05/05/2006 11:59:50 PM · #483 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
I doesn't really matter which way you structure it. Team Pentax will win because of superior equipment :)
bazz. |
Speaking of which, how are you guys doing???? |
we're kicking their butts :P a week too late i'm afraid :( |
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05/06/2006 12:04:35 AM · #484 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Speaking of which, how are you guys doing???? |
Not very good but still better than you guys are I reckon ;)
bazz.
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05/06/2006 12:19:33 AM · #485 |
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
Originally posted by yanko:
Speaking of which, how are you guys doing???? |
Not very good but still better than you guys are I reckon ;)
bazz. |
Bazz, we'll be OK and continue our win streak! |
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05/06/2006 01:22:13 AM · #486 |
OK I have looked at several ways of making the team more even but the truth to is they all are pretty evenly matched. It’s just that some are shooting well above their average while the WPL season is going on. And most of the photographers are entering more challenges than they regularly would. I don’t want a system that is going to penalize a team for doing to good or a photographer for entering more challenges. This is the reason for the WPL to help photographers improve and give them more of an incentive to enter more challenges.
After looking at a lot of suggestions from users and some I’ve come up with I believe the only change needed to balance thing out a little is how we are scoring the team. Not who is on the team or what there beginning score is. I have spent about four hours today crunching number to see how we could even out teams without limiting them. I want any team to be able to have any player. I don’t think it would be right to tell team “A” they can’t have photographer “B” because he has to high of an average.
Here is what I have come up with after going back to past weeks and recalculating the score to see what changes it would make. And after trying several methods (top 2/ bottom 2, top 4, drop high score and low score, etc.) I have come to the conclusion that the following will work the best.
1. Every challenge posted by DPC will be a valid challenge.
2. Each photographer can enter as many challenges he or she is qualified to enter.
3. WPL will count only the photographers highest score
4. WPL will add all photographers’ high score on a team and divided it by the amount of photographers that participated and that will be the teams’ score for that week.
5. If any team has less than four participating photographers in any given week the team will suffer a forfeit that week.
6. Being that DQ’s are rare in context with the amount of entries in a given challenge no DQ’s will go against a team. If a photographer is DQ’ed and does not have another entry for the week then they will be counted as a non-participating photographer for the week and the team average will be divided by the remaining participating photographers. If the DQ’ed photographer drops the team lower than four participating photographers then the team will suffer a forfeit.
Message edited by author 2006-05-06 01:26:14.
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05/06/2006 01:29:18 AM · #487 |
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
4. WPL will add all photographers’ high score on a team and divided it by the amount of photographers that participated and that will be the teams’ score for that week. |
I can imagine that some team members may elect not to participate if they think their submission is below par resulting in a lower team score. I know I'd rather sit out than enter a below average submission if it was going to hurt the team.
The good thing about the current system is that everyone is comfortable submitting as we all know only the top 4 scores will be used.
Just my 2c.
bazz.
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05/06/2006 01:34:25 AM · #488 |
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05/06/2006 01:36:26 AM · #489 |
So basically we'll just do the same thing as this year? Which means the same teams will dominate but hey if that's what people want...
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05/06/2006 01:36:40 AM · #490 |
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
4. WPL will add all photographers’ high score on a team and divided it by the amount of photographers that participated and that will be the teams’ score for that week. |
This brings back the spectre of less-skilled members of teams being afriad to enter a challenge for fear of bringing the team average down. This is why we originally went with counting the top 4 scores.
I'd still love to see the teams populated by a draft of some sort, spreading the wealth around...
Robt.
I see bazz beat me to it...
Message edited by author 2006-05-06 01:37:22.
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05/06/2006 01:40:09 AM · #491 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I'd still love to see the teams populated by a draft of some sort, spreading the wealth around...
Robt. |
What he said! Btw, I've commissioned fantasy football league drafts it's not that difficult and it's usually the funniest part of those leagues.
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05/06/2006 01:44:39 AM · #492 |
Ok I'm up for any suggestion. "Please understand I am just trying to satisfy as many as possible and be fair in doing so". I am not familiar with the draft system. Can one of you post how it works or PM me. I like the sound of it. "And by the way thanks to everyone that has posted a suggestion or concern, It helps me"
Again thanks everyone,
-SDW
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05/06/2006 01:45:53 AM · #493 |
I agree with bazz and Rikki, I don't think I'd be too interested in the competition if team members with lower averages didn't feel like thay could enter for fear of hurting the team.
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05/06/2006 01:55:11 AM · #494 |
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
Ok I'm up for any suggestion. "Please understand I am just trying to satisfy as many as possible and be fair in doing so". I am not familiar with the draft system. Can one of you post how it works or PM me. I like the sound of it. "And by the way thanks to everyone that has posted a suggestion or concern, It helps me"
Again thanks everyone,
-SDW |
Simply put: You have 20 captains and a pool of at least 120 would-be team members. You assign an order of selection, probably randomly in this case. Captain 1 looks at the pool and tales player x, captain 2 selects player z, and so forth; after round 1 of the draft is complete, 20 teams have a captain and a player, and there are 100 (or more) players left in the pool. For round 2, reverse the order of selection; #20 goes first, #19 goes second, and so forth and so on.
In other words, "Team 19" has to select last in Rd 1 but they select first in Rd 2, so it balances out.
This can be set up in a live conference, with you overseeing the master list and making the appropriate assignments. If a captain cannot be there to participate, he can take the "pool" and assign his own ratings to it, so that you, the facilitator of the draft, will pick the highest remaining available player on this captain's list for his team when it is his turn to pick.
Robt.
BTW, count me in as a captain for Season 2, please.
Message edited by author 2006-05-06 01:56:52.
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05/06/2006 02:03:23 AM · #495 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
Ok I'm up for any suggestion. "Please understand I am just trying to satisfy as many as possible and be fair in doing so". I am not familiar with the draft system. Can one of you post how it works or PM me. I like the sound of it. "And by the way thanks to everyone that has posted a suggestion or concern, It helps me"
Again thanks everyone,
-SDW |
Simply put: You have 20 captains and a pool of at least 120 would-be team members. You assign an order of selection, probably randomly in this case. Captain 1 looks at the pool and tales player x, captain 2 selects player z, and so forth; after round 1 of the draft is complete, 20 teams have a captain and a player, and there are 100 (or more) players left in the pool. For round 2, reverse the order of selection; #20 goes first, #19 goes second, and so forth and so on.
In other words, "Team 19" has to select last in Rd 1 but they select first in Rd 2, so it balances out.
This can be set up in a live conference, with you overseeing the master list and making the appropriate assignments. If a captain cannot be there to participate, he can take the "pool" and assign his own ratings to it, so that you, the facilitator of the draft, will pick the highest remaining available player on this captain's list for his team when it is his turn to pick.
Robt.
BTW, count me in as a captain for Season 2, please. |
NOW that sounds fair! It also sounds like strategic moves will play a part, which is good. Thanks for that suggest, I believe it will be the best way to select teams if no one objects.
That way we can keep the same system as far as how teams score; the same as season one.
What does everyone think?
Message edited by author 2006-05-06 02:04:15.
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05/06/2006 02:09:23 AM · #496 |
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
NOW that sounds fair! It also sounds like strategic moves will play a part, which is good. Thanks for that suggest, I believe it will be the best way to select teams if no one objects.
That way we can keep the same system as far as how teams score; the same as season one.
What does everyone think? |
It seems ideal to me, given the diversity of the site and the difficulty some less-public members have in finding a team on which to "play". However, to be fair, I offered up the idea of a draft earlier and quite a few of the "affinity group" people came up and said they WANTED to choose teams among their friends, fellow-camera-owners, whatever.
If this WPL is going to be an ongoing fixture (which I believe it deserves to be), we need to think carefully how well it can survive if it it is dominated by "affinity" teams with very high averages. I very much like the idea of a seasonal draft, spreading the joy around and perhaps creating new alliances and friendships as a byproduct.
R.
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05/06/2006 02:15:54 AM · #497 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
NOW that sounds fair! It also sounds like strategic moves will play a part, which is good. Thanks for that suggest, I believe it will be the best way to select teams if no one objects.
That way we can keep the same system as far as how teams score; the same as season one.
What does everyone think? |
It seems ideal to me, given the diversity of the site and the difficulty some less-public members have in finding a team on which to "play". However, to be fair, I offered up the idea of a draft earlier and quite a few of the "affinity group" people came up and said they WANTED to choose teams among their friends, fellow-camera-owners, whatever.
If this WPL is going to be an ongoing fixture (which I believe it deserves to be), we need to think carefully how well it can survive if it it is dominated by "affinity" teams with very high averages. I very much like the idea of a seasonal draft, spreading the joy around and perhaps creating new alliances and friendships as a byproduct.
R. |
I have to agree with you robert!
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05/06/2006 02:26:40 AM · #498 |
Hey Southern Gentleman, I have a draft tool that I use for fantasy football but I've modified it so that includes all of the team members from WPL season one and those that are on the photographer substitution list. Can I email that to you? I notice you don't have your email posted so I don't know where to send it. It's 6 megs (two zip files) just so you know. What it does is allow you or anybody else that uses it to automatically fill the rosters as each team makes a selection. You can add a timer for each pick if you want, etc. It's a real handy tool to use to manage the draft overall.
ETA: My email address is posted on my profile if you want to email me.
Message edited by author 2006-05-06 02:29:26.
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05/06/2006 02:29:34 AM · #499 |
Ideally, any "draft pool" listing would include at a minimum the photographer's name and lifetime average, and if possible number of ribbons and number of top 10's...
R.
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05/06/2006 03:03:55 AM · #500 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Hey Southern Gentleman, I have a draft tool that I use for fantasy football but I've modified it so that includes all of the team members from WPL season one and those that are on the photographer substitution list. Can I email that to you? I notice you don't have your email posted so I don't know where to send it. It's 6 megs (two zip files) just so you know. What it does is allow you or anybody else that uses it to automatically fill the rosters as each team makes a selection. You can add a timer for each pick if you want, etc. It's a real handy tool to use to manage the draft overall.
ETA: My email address is posted on my profile if you want to email me. |
PLEASE, I would love to have it. My email address is < scottwhiddon@knology.net >.
Thanks,
SDW
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