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03/15/2003 09:50:13 AM · #1 |
(please bear inmind this is the rant forum)
I'm fed up with this - darkness, areas of blackness or near blackness, deep shadows, especially if used to emphasise lighter areas, are completely legitimate photography. Please. The number of comments I've read from simpletons saying 'pic's too dark' about really very atmospheric shots, it's annoying the hell out of me.
This is prompted particularly because of the reaction to my bridge photo - which absolutely required the light as it was, but what has triggered this comment is that I've read it over and over again whilst browsing through the site. (edit) On other's photos, that is (edit).
(rant over)
Ed
Message edited by author 2003-03-15 09:51:10.
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03/15/2003 11:05:58 AM · #2 |
I know where you are coming from, but calling people "simpletons" just because they may have a different aesthetic than you is quite uncalled for. YOUR idea of good and bad in darkness is just that -- YOUR idea. The rest of us simpletons have the right to our own opinions on that.
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03/15/2003 11:12:05 AM · #3 |
Maybe if everyone says your pic is too dark, then your pic might be too dark?
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03/15/2003 12:56:08 PM · #4 |
One thing I have learned concerning the DP Challenge, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You can view a photo, read the comments and find that the people who left the comments differ totally on what is right or wrong with the photo. Some will give you a 10 and others a 1. That is just the way it is. Even on the photos that are highly rated, you will generally find someone who for whatever reason gives you a poor score. Hang in there e310!
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03/15/2003 01:07:33 PM · #5 |
Oh I know it was an unconsidered, entirely personal and probably unfair comment, but like I said it was a rant - i.e. an outburst of annoyance. Sometimes we have to get these things of our chests, no?
'Simpletons' refers to one particular comment I saw made on someone else's photo - and it genuinely was a 'simple', in the sense of ignorant and unconsidered, comment. Anyway, I reserve the right to hold that opinion of certain people/comments/situations.
And of course my photo(s) may be too dark :-) I have, however, spent a considerable amount of effort setting up my monitor, and to have such basic comments made with no suggestion that a possible reason for the darkness might have been considered really annoyed me.
Jak, I was going to say I haven't directly called anyone a simpleton, but I suppose once the challenge is over you'll be able to cross-reference things and discover a name. If I've genuinely offended then I am genuinely sorry, that was not the intention.
I was just letting off steam, is all.
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03/15/2003 03:09:08 PM · #6 |
| I kinda feel the same way as e301. a few of my pictures have been deemed too dark for users here as well. when I can see them perfectly (and they are as I want) on my screen.. sooooo... yeah, until we have universal settings for screens, we'll never all get and see the desired effect of what we want others to see. hehe oh well. |
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03/15/2003 06:12:01 PM · #7 |
| My submission for the egg challenge was deemed 'too dark' by a lot of people ( //www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=13258 ), but I thought the darkness was good. The histogram for the image was ok looking, and I decided to go a bit darker than desired to empahasise the letters, and get rid of some tricky spots where i'd taped them down. I guess I probably could have adjusted the yellow saturation, to make the yolk appear more yellow but, whatever. |
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03/15/2003 06:31:32 PM · #8 |
tell me,
is this pic 'dark', and if so, is it 'too' dark?
'everyman'
thanks
Message edited by author 2003-03-15 18:31:41.
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03/15/2003 06:32:28 PM · #9 |
| If too many think your picture is dark - try looking at it on as many different monitors as you can. That was an eye opener for me - What looked perfect to me was really really dark to them. |
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03/15/2003 06:34:32 PM · #10 |
| never mind e301- I take it back - your egg picture was perfect. |
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03/15/2003 07:00:11 PM · #11 |
| Magnetic I think the picture in general is dark but your main subject is lit just right. Your background looks like its supposed to be dark and thats what you were aiming for. Your subject is well lit as in half is in shadows with still enough detail on the shaded side to really show off the whole figure. Overall I really want to get one of those and that photo is truly amazing. |
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03/15/2003 11:40:55 PM · #12 |
thanks, byetko :) those artist dummies can definitely be a lot of fun to play with simply because they can really be expressive if you really work hard to make the poses as similar as possible to the way a real person would hold their body, taking into account gravity, the way joints actually move, and the way people rest their weight. i got mine for really cheap at a big Swedish furniture store called IKEA. it's pretty small and it's really not that high quality.
regarding the dark and light issue, i guess it's a tough call in the sense that there needs to be a balance. darkness can be represented but it needs to be balanced with light in enough of a degree so that the picture isnt pulled off in one direction. i would consider this a dark image in that it contains a lot of black but i wouldnt consider it dark in the sense of underexposed, and I often wonder which people mean when they make their comments.
with regard to e301's egg picture, i think a large part of the problem was that it was really hard to figure out what you were seeing. The amorphousness of the yolk made it unclear that that was what that was, and people may have thought if it was brighter they would be able to figure it out. Dunno, but that's how I felt :).
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03/16/2003 01:21:24 PM · #13 |
I think you may have the wrong picture for my 'egg photo' Magnetic - no yolk on site there. And thanks for that comment emorgan (provided you were looking at the right shot!).
magnetic - the atist dummy shots are IMO perfectly exposed. Sure the picture is 'dark' in the sense of there being a lot of darkness, but that is clearly not a mistake, it's a choice.
I'm about to go look at my bridge shot on an old CRT monitor - expect comments soon!
Ed
PS. Gren, I'm not amongst those who would accuse your egg shot of being too dark - the highlights of the eggs are as close as you'd want to being overexposed anyway. Seemed to be easily done with white eggs.
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03/16/2003 04:54:49 PM · #14 |
my mistake e301, i meant gren :)
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03/16/2003 07:00:14 PM · #15 |
Hmm. Shot looks exactly the same on old CRT monitor. I guess I just like dark photos - perhaps I should start marking people down for being too bright? :-)
Ed
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03/16/2003 11:47:30 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by e301:
The number of comments I've read from simpletons saying 'pic's too dark' about really very atmospheric shots, it's annoying the hell out of me. |
Yeah it's irratting when you do something like that on purpose (the lighting, etc) and then find out that people don't like it because of this or that. But just take it as friendly advice... it's really invaluable if you are trying to appeal to as many people as posible (like we try to do in the challenges). |
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