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05/02/2006 04:24:14 PM · #26 |
"Yeah, nice work", "Nice shot"... ;^)
The 48 hour speed challenge just reinforces the concerns voiced a couple weeks ago about requiring comments. |
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05/02/2006 04:27:21 PM · #27 |
Don't sweat it Node!
This is the genesis of how I ended up doing what I did...
I spent the ENTIRE weekend finalising a proposal due on Monday. I got an email about the speed challenge & wanted to enter. I busted my ass to make time to do this shoot which I thought up & hoped would turn out ok. I did manage to come up with a shot I was extremely happy with. When I went to enter it I found that I couldn't. Feeling wretched, I thought that I didnt want to do any more writing since that's all I did the entire weekend. I even posted to a thread saying I wasn;t going to do that. Then I looked at my shot & really wanted to enter it and well... the rest has been well-documented & lamented here.
It ain;t so bad to own up to what I did. Will make it up to DPC in my own way that is fair to everyone.
Shoot on!
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05/02/2006 04:32:09 PM · #28 |
| I would prefer it if the challenges that had comment requirements calculated the measurement at the time of announcement. I think that would be more of a true reward for people who are generous enough to give more than they receive, rather than those who comment just in order to get something. I'm not judging commenters, I'm just about the worst commenter ever and I know all the super popular people can never keep up, etc. I just think it cheapens the reward a bit. |
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05/02/2006 04:39:41 PM · #29 |
Hey Rooster,
I just want to say thanks for the way you're accepting and 'owning' up to this thing. I think you're showing a fine example of maturity and responsiblity, something that sometimes many of us could use a good reminder of.
Keep shootin' girl, you've got some nice chops, and they'll be plenty of challenges in the future.
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05/02/2006 04:48:15 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by mk:
I would prefer it if the challenges that had comment requirements calculated the measurement at the time of announcement. I think that would be more of a true reward for people who are generous enough to give more than they receive, rather than those who comment just in order to get something. I'm not judging commenters, I'm just about the worst commenter ever and I know all the super popular people can never keep up, etc. I just think it cheapens the reward a bit. |
I have to agree with mk here. There was a mad rush to get in "another" challenge. It kinda bastardized the whole idea of the challenge to me.
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05/02/2006 04:51:11 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by mk:
I would prefer ... bit. |
This is a good point. And it would negate the possibility of this type of thing happeneing, if they were to have similar challenges in the future. |
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05/02/2006 04:52:45 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I have to agree with mk here. There was a mad rush to get in "another" challenge. It kinda bastardized the whole idea of the challenge to me. |
Same here. What about the people who made the mad dash to comment. Are they being DQ'd? |
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05/02/2006 05:09:29 PM · #33 |
I made the mad dash but not just so I could get into the challenge. It was more the challenge to make the comments. I tried to make sincere, helpful, honest comments.
This is proved by the image I submitted LOL.
Just my $.02 |
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05/02/2006 05:14:59 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by lepidus:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I have to agree with mk here. There was a mad rush to get in "another" challenge. It kinda bastardized the whole idea of the challenge to me. |
Same here. What about the people who made the mad dash to comment. Are they being DQ'd? |
Not the ones who made "quality" comments. I see no problem whatsoever with the "mad rush" if it produces useful comments. In fact, I'd day that's a distinct benefit of such a challenge. Certainly, a whole LOT of people got some very useful comments out of this exercise, and isn't that the point?
Think about this: in the ongoing comments received vs comments made ratio, there's absolutely NO distinction made as to quality. None whatsoever. So in theory, someone could have made 1000 one-word comments over the last year, have received 250 comments, be clearly "qualifed" for the speed challenge, yet have contributed nothing constructive or useful to the site.
On the other hand, those who wanted in (like me) and who had to catch up in comments were REQUIRED to leave "quality" comments and this thread is evidence that the quality is being verified, so...
You see my point? It's all good :-) I wouldn't even have HAD a deficit if it weren't for 180+ comments on a single, recent image of mine...
R.
Message edited by author 2006-05-02 17:16:13.
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05/02/2006 05:30:50 PM · #35 |
| Good on you Rooster for owning up, it's an honourable thing to do and rarely seen these days. Well done. |
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05/02/2006 05:34:55 PM · #36 |
Bear, you are the exception to the rule though :-) Your comments are mostly always full and insightful. You should have been let in on word count alone ;-)
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by lepidus:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I have to agree with mk here. There was a mad rush to get in "another" challenge. It kinda bastardized the whole idea of the challenge to me. |
Same here. What about the people who made the mad dash to comment. Are they being DQ'd? |
Not the ones who made "quality" comments. I see no problem whatsoever with the "mad rush" if it produces useful comments. In fact, I'd day that's a distinct benefit of such a challenge. Certainly, a whole LOT of people got some very useful comments out of this exercise, and isn't that the point?
Think about this: in the ongoing comments received vs comments made ratio, there's absolutely NO distinction made as to quality. None whatsoever. So in theory, someone could have made 1000 one-word comments over the last year, have received 250 comments, be clearly "qualifed" for the speed challenge, yet have contributed nothing constructive or useful to the site.
On the other hand, those who wanted in (like me) and who had to catch up in comments were REQUIRED to leave "quality" comments and this thread is evidence that the quality is being verified, so...
You see my point? It's all good :-) I wouldn't even have HAD a deficit if it weren't for 180+ comments on a single, recent image of mine...
R. |
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05/02/2006 05:40:47 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Bear, you are the exception to the rule though :-) Your comments are mostly always full and insightful. You should have been let in on word count alone ;-) |
It's kind of you to say that, but a very significant percentage of my comments are just that; "comments", usually congratulatory. It's relatively rare for me to "comment" in depth, what I call a "critique", in the comments section. I tend to do that in the forums, where all can see it, and yes I do tend to get a bit wordy :-)
R.
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05/02/2006 05:41:03 PM · #38 |
I agree with bear. Many users benefitted by the influx in comments over the weekend. Only people who were anywhere near close to the target would probably have attempted to catch up, and most left very good comments. Personally, I was only a few comments behind the target (under 10) and I've been ahead for AAAAGES! I would have been really annoyed if I wasn't allowed to enter due to a couple of comments left on my shot overnight!
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05/02/2006 05:47:01 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Rooster:
Yep, it's true... after almost 3 years I got handed my first DQ in the Free Study XI Challenge. Reasons- making unacceptable comments to meet the challenge criteria.
I admit it. I DID IT!... |
Bummer Rooster. You can't feel very good about yourself for that but I respect you fessing up to face the music. Hmmmmmm... "face the music"... sounds like a decent title for the cliche challenge. ;)
Anyway, I'm surprised I even qualified for the Free Study challenge. You'd think people would be falling all over themselves commenting on my great pictures. Yeah... right! LOL!
Go, my child, and sin no more!
Message edited by author 2006-05-02 17:47:29.
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05/02/2006 05:47:34 PM · #40 |
| may i suggest that if there is a next time we do these challenges, it based more on ratio of comments made by tenure? does that make sense? |
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05/02/2006 05:52:07 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Rikki:
may i suggest that if there is a next time we do these challenges, it based more on ratio of comments made by tenure? does that make sense? |
... as in they have already given more than received prior to the challenge starting?
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05/02/2006 06:00:35 PM · #42 |
| Wow, I'm still trying to grasp how and why people are willing to go through so much additional work just to enter a challenge on some web site with no prizes or real bragging rights lmao |
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05/02/2006 06:02:10 PM · #43 |
yes that one too
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for some that are diligent in commenting. I've been here 12 months and have over 2700+ comments (8 comments per day). I would say 30-35% of those are congratulatory type comments but the rest have been critiques and comments that go beyond the one liners. All I'm saying is that I've been actively participating in commenting over the last year and when you get fortunate enough to get in the top 10 or even ribbon, your numbers get skewed due to the influx of comments after the challenge.
Like Bear and many others, it's sometimes tough to catch up again. I was the first to admit I crammed to get comments in place. No one word comments from me. Some were critical and some were of praise but still it was a tough hill to climb but I managed to get it done in time.
Does all my rambling make any sense at all? |
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05/02/2006 06:03:20 PM · #44 |
Thanks everyone for not hating me for my quick thoughtless action.
I had to, fess up that is. Words like "abuse of the comments system' kinda put things in prospective. I don't feel exactly that way but the fact others may construe my actions as such is more than enough reason to make a public apology.
Will spend much of the weekend making it up to you guys by equaling the comments I have received.
PEACE!
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05/02/2006 06:22:05 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by C-town driver:
Wow, I'm still trying to grasp how and why people are willing to go through so much additional work just to enter a challenge on some web site with no prizes or real bragging rights lmao |
Well I can only speak for me but I did it to learn and to be a participant in this great learning site. It is, for me, about sharing!
IMHO
Erick |
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05/02/2006 06:59:06 PM · #46 |
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05/02/2006 07:01:09 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by C-town driver:
Wow, I'm still trying to grasp how and why people are willing to go through so much additional work just to enter a challenge on some web site with no prizes or real bragging rights lmao |
I'm with you... they sure are stupid, aren't they? LOL LOL!!!!
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05/02/2006 07:05:51 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by C-town driver:
Wow, I'm still trying to grasp how and why people are willing to go through so much additional work just to enter a challenge on some web site with no prizes or real bragging rights lmao |
I'm with you... they sure are stupid, aren't they? LOL LOL!!!! |
Der Huh! Wad yu saa. uh hu hu uh
:-P |
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05/02/2006 07:06:16 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Rikki:
... All I'm saying is that I've been actively participating in commenting over the last year and when you get fortunate enough to get in the top 10 or even ribbon, your numbers get
skewed due to the influx of comments after the challenge.
Does all my rambling make any sense at all? |
Ah hah! It does indeed. That makes perfect sense. Dangit! If only I made the top 10 more often I would have more comments than I give.
That is NOT fair all. You people need to give me higher scores. Please, please... get out there and get busy right now! LOL!!!
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05/02/2006 07:47:10 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by Rikki:
yes that one too
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for some that are diligent in commenting. I've been here 12 months and have over 2700+ comments (8 comments per day). I would say 30-35% of those are congratulatory type comments but the rest have been critiques and comments that go beyond the one liners. All I'm saying is that I've been actively participating in commenting over the last year and when you get fortunate enough to get in the top 10 or even ribbon, your numbers get skewed due to the influx of comments after the challenge.
Like Bear and many others, it's sometimes tough to catch up again. I was the first to admit I crammed to get comments in place. No one word comments from me. Some were critical and some were of praise but still it was a tough hill to climb but I managed to get it done in time.
Does all my rambling make any sense at all? |
So, only include those comments made during a challenge, which would eliminate the congratulatory comments from the count. I would suggest taking it a step further, and also put a timeframe (say, within the last 12 months). This would allow someone who hasn't been very good at making comments in the past to get a clean start and get back in the game. |
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