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08/27/2002 06:00:37 PM · #1 |
Since I'm getting close to finishing my voting this week, I'm already thinking ahead to how I'm going to evaluate the shots next week. I'm a big believer in sticking to the challenge, and I don't feel ashamed to dock someone who doesn't meet it.
For example, there's a shot in this week's challenge that clearly looks like someone took an ok shot and decided they were going to find any excuse to submit it to this challenge. That bugs me, especially considering that I have spent a lot of time planning a shot around the challenge topic for the few weeks I've been participating here.
So anyway, I've been thinking about how I'm going to react to the "Candid" photos. How will I decide if a photo is "candid?" My first thought was that if the subject is looking at the camera, then it's not candid... but that's not true. In my opinion, if a subject just happened to look at the camera at almost the instant the photographer snapped the shutter, it's still a candid shot, and can be a very effective and powerful one.
My thought now is that I'll consider the photo to be "candid" so long as it doesn't look like the subject posed. If the subject has time to react to the camera and has time to position themselves differently because of the camera's presence, then it's not a candid shot.
This will undoubtedly be a bit subjective and I'm sure I'll spend more time voting than normal, but this seems to be a definition I'm happy with at the moment. I just wanted to see if anyone else has given this some advanced thought...?
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08/27/2002 06:04:37 PM · #2 |
I'm pretty much giving the photographer the benefit of the doubt. A still life isn't candid, for example, but if it looks like it could possibly be then it probably is.
This week, I'm doing the same thing. Childhood menas different things to different people. I'm pretty willing to take at face value that different things were therefore important to different people in their childhood.
-Terry
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08/27/2002 08:27:02 PM · #3 |
I will, as I always am, be very open with what I define as candid short of still lives and the like.. looking for things that are unposed but giving people the benefit of the doubt.
What I would really look for is a 'moment' |
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08/28/2002 04:35:48 AM · #4 |
As far as I am concerned, Candid does NOT mean the subject doesn't know they are being photographed.
It just means that the subject was doing whatever he/ she was doing already, not for the purpose of the photograph, and not posing for the photographer.
Often the subject may be fully aware of the photo - the photographer may even briefly hold the camera up with a questioning look - to check whether it's OK to go ahead.
Sometimes I check, sometimes I don't. Each situation is different.
The photograph in my mind is Candid if the photographer can capture something as it is happening, regardless of whether the subject knows and happens to look at them or not.
Just my opinion.
Kavey
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08/28/2002 08:46:15 AM · #5 |
A candid shot can be posed. I can tell some photos are going to get bad scores for no reason. Someone post what Webster says candid is please. Almost any photo can fit into the candid challenge.
Tim |
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08/28/2002 09:38:03 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Niten:
A candid shot can be posed. I can tell some photos are going to get bad scores for no reason. Someone post what Webster says candid is please. Almost any photo can fit into the candid challenge.
I would disagree with that... according to Dictionary.com candid means:
Not posed or rehearsed: a candid snapshot.
n.
An unposed informal photograph.
* This message has been edited by the author on 8/28/2002 9:37:07 AM. |
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08/28/2002 09:59:59 AM · #7 |
I would go for that definition as well I guess, not posed, no rehearsal.
I will go for that definition for my picture and I will check the forums before voting next week.
But I think that for me, prepared or posed would not fit the challenge.
Lionel
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08/28/2002 10:15:38 AM · #8 |
| I've already submitted a Candid shot that is totally unposed but certainly looks as if it could have been. I don't know how you could differentiate between those. |
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08/28/2002 10:48:26 AM · #9 |
I too am wondering how this one will be voted. My shot is something that I just happened upon. I am afraid that people will make judgements, without knowing the situations. I hope people will vote based more heavily on the composition, technical aspects, and so on, and give the benefit of the doubt to the photographer on this challenge.
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08/28/2002 10:52:48 AM · #10 |
| I hope quite a bit, but rarely expect. |
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08/28/2002 11:52:50 AM · #11 |
I think that I will be giving the benefit of the doubt next week. The viewer has no real way to KNOW if a photo was candid or not. However, certain 'candid' images will be obvious and others will not.
I hope to see some 'humor' in this challenge :)
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08/28/2002 12:00:21 PM · #12 |
THIS is a GREAT example of CANDID...
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08/28/2002 12:28:33 PM · #13 |
I like that chess one a lot !
Yes I will be giving the benefit of the doubt as well next week, in case of doubt.
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08/28/2002 12:33:58 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by alansfreed:
Originally posted by Niten:
[i]A candid shot can be posed. I can tell some photos are going to get bad scores for no reason. Someone post what Webster says candid is please. Almost any photo can fit into the candid challenge.
I would disagree with that... according to Dictionary.com candid means:
Not posed or rehearsed: a candid snapshot.
n.
An unposed informal photograph.
[/i]
Why did you just post the 3rd part? what about all this?
adj.
Free from prejudice; impartial.
Characterized by openness and sincerity of expression; unreservedly straightforward: In private, I gave them my candid opinion. See Synonyms at frank1.
Tim
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08/28/2002 12:36:32 PM · #15 |
Websters and Funk and Wagnalls seem to disagree with that as well. Here they are.
websters new concise:adj. sincere,frank,unreserved,straightforward; unbiased, impartial.
syn. Frank,open,plain. Candid refers specifically to a lack of prejudice or partiality; we can have candid friends, give a candid opinion. Frank refers to a lack of reserve in stating opinions or expressing feelings; open refers to a lack of concealment; plain descibes a manner of speaking or a temperament free from affection.
Funk and Wagnalls standard desk dictionary:
candid adj. 1.Honest and open;sincere;frank. 2. Impartial;fair
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08/28/2002 12:39:48 PM · #16 |
check these candid shots out too. Notice you cant tell for sure if they were posed. //www.sandiegoweddingcandids.com/pages/engagements.html
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08/28/2002 01:14:14 PM · #17 |
I believe that 'candid', when discussed in terms of photography, would mean unrehearsed and not posed. This still could be just about anything. You could go photograph a landscape, a flower, a car passing by, a dog running in the garden, or just about anything else that you could imagine.
I think that it's gonna take something more than that to have an impressive photo in this challenge though...
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08/28/2002 01:31:28 PM · #18 |
I'm submitting a photo of a bowl of candy and act like i miss read it.
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08/28/2002 02:20:35 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Niten:
I'm submitting a photo of a bowl of candy and act like i miss read it.
Tim
Hey, finally a use for that slice of fruitcake you hid away last Winter...or an apple on a stick at the County Fair. Gee should I have posted these in the Recipe thread? |
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08/28/2002 02:24:54 PM · #20 |
Why did you just post the 3rd part? what about all this?
adj.
Free from prejudice; impartial...
I didn't post the whole thing because it seems that the part I posted is the most relative to this discussion. The part your quoting has more to do with the use of the word "candid" as in a "candid conversation," rather as much about a candid photo. |
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08/28/2002 04:03:09 PM · #21 |
Since I already tried this out in chat...
I'm gonna piggy back on what setlzer said. If I take a picture of my desk at work and have done nothing to prepare it, isn't that "not posed or rehearsed," "frank and impartial," "informal or natural; especially caught off guard or unprepared; 'a candid photograph'".
Leaving aside the issue of whether or not it's a good photograph, this picture "shows" me at work even if Im not in the shot. The camera I have yet to get fixed, the piles of paperwork, a few props from different shoots, a bottle of rocks from the southernmost tip of England, etc etc etc. I'm certainly not proud to be such a slob, and considering all the other desk around me are practically sterile in relation to mine, I certainly look like one. Why can't a still life ALSO be a candid or vice versa? Why do we have to try to pigeonhole photos into specifically one category when many, quite honestly, simply don't fit?
OK, with my attempt at getting others to see things the way I do out of the way, let's get down to what I think will happen. I think anyone who doesn't submit a shot with some living, highly animate being (human/animal/extraterrestrial) physically in the picture will be committing challenge suicide.
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08/28/2002 04:14:05 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Patella:
Since I already tried this out in chat...
I'm gonna piggy back on what setlzer said. If I take a picture of my desk at work and have done nothing to prepare it, isn't that "not posed or rehearsed," "frank and impartial," "informal or natural; especially caught off guard or unprepared; 'a candid photograph'".
I have no problem with all kinds of "candid" shots as you describe, although in the particular case of someone's workspace, it would be stronger (to me) if taken from the outsider's perspective (e.g. "how HE really works," not "how I really work"). Maybe including the top of the partition in the bottom of the frame, taken from a high perspective. |
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