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03/29/2006 01:41:53 PM · #26 |
To put this in perspective, visualize a billboard in a urban area. Take a shot of the billboard striight on, fill the frame with nothing but the image on the billboard, and it's a shot of existing artwork. Now zoom out, so you can see the billboard, a strip of the highway, and some of the urban skyline behind it. Now you have a cityscape in which the billboard is the most prominent element, and it's a "valid" photograph.
Now go back to the billboard itself, get up close to it, shoot a section of it where the paper is peeling, wear-and-tear is visible, and so forth. Now you are shooting the effects of time and weather on the billboard, you have made it your own. I presume this would be considered a valid entry.
Robt.
Message edited by author 2006-03-29 13:42:21.
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03/29/2006 01:42:30 PM · #27 |
IMHO had your daughters inky little hand been in the shot, the photo would have been about making the hand prints, therefore O.K. As is it is a straight representation of a work she made, there fore not O.K.
If we were allowed to shoot art work, I could edit the snot out of a photograph I took fifteen years ago and, shoot the print, and enter it in this week's basic challenge. Your daughter's piece is clearly not this sort of sneaky aviodance of the rules, but she has been caught in the same net.
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03/29/2006 01:54:24 PM · #28 |
Just to be clear I am not trying to say she should not be DQ'd or trying to jusstify what she did. I was just putting xtra info out there about what she did :)
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03/29/2006 01:56:36 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
IMHO had your daughters inky little hand been in the shot, the photo would have been about making the hand prints, therefore O.K. As is it is a straight representation of a work she made, there fore not O.K.
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And, would have scored quite well probably :-)
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03/29/2006 01:59:18 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by dahved:
...a cutout that makes a silhouette isn't a photo, it's a cutout. |
It IS still 2D artwork, though. In this case it wasn't just the artwork presented literally, and that's the key difference. There's a lot more to see than just the cutout people. If the cutout had been simply glued to a piece of paper and shot straight-on without the pipe, it probably would have been DQ'd. Note that it doesn't matter WHO made the artwork (whether it was pre-existing or created for the photo)- only that the entry is not simply a direct reproduction of a two-dimensional image. |
Oh, I know it's still artwork--I was confused by tejinder's statement of, "Btw, at the end of tube (in this photo), there is another photo (unless being silhoutted makes it lesser photo or artwork)." It seemed he still thought the family image was a photo.
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03/29/2006 02:02:15 PM · #31 |
So if I want to submit a photograph of the Mona Lisa, I can photograph it from the side?
What about photographing a reproduction print of the last supper?
What focal length would guarentee me not getting a DQ?
Is this a GOB thing?
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03/29/2006 02:34:25 PM · #32 |
While we are examining entries for possible DQ, look at this one which appears to be in violation of the Basic Editing rules (by the processing steps the photog listed).
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03/29/2006 02:41:23 PM · #33 |
[quote=ElGordo] While we are examining entries for possible DQ, look at this one which appears to be in violation of the Basic Editing rules (by the processing steps the photog listed).
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If you have any concerns about the validity of an image, you can either request DQ on it, or submit a ticket via the "Help" menu where you will see a "contact us" link and from there, you can submit a ticket!
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03/29/2006 02:42:44 PM · #34 |
If anyone feels that a photo is in violation of the editing rules or the TOS, the best course of action is to submit a ticket to the SC, since we are the ONLY ones who can deal with a situation like that, and let us handle it. I see no need for anyone to call anyone out in the forums since the general public cannot handle such situations.
elgordo, I have submitted your photo in question for SC review, and am removing the photo from your post, since there is no purpose discussing it publicly. Thank you for drawing it to our attention, next time, please use the SC ticketing system. |
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03/29/2006 02:44:51 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Rikki:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Here's the slight difference. The first one is a shot taken straight on, so that it's really no different from a painting hanging on a wall.
The second one was taken with an added dimensional element, a perspective using the photographer's creativity, thus making it more 3D.
In this case, 3D elements added to artwork are very rarely, if ever, DQd.
Of course, this isn't an official explanation, but that's the most likely scenario |
That's probably why but the whole concept is silly, IMO. How can you tell the shot wasn't taken at a very slight angle? At what angle does it stop being a "Literal representation"? |
a slight angle only and the addition of lighting makes for a non-literal representation ;) |
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03/29/2006 03:01:19 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by joynim:
That was my daughters photo that was disqualified and she is 9. Your right she created this artwork specifically for the challenge.
I had a sneaking suspicion that this might happen (DQ) however I have no input (deliberately)into what Joyah submits except to resize it for her in photshop. She has taken the DQ on the chin but I was very interested to see this thread and the other handprints photo. |
We discussed this at Joynim's place on the weekend and I have to say she has a very mature 9yr old who understood in a pretty grown-up way. As soon as she understood that there only had to be a fingertip or a leaf or the lid of the paint tube in the photo, it all made sense.
What is more impressive is the way that joynim leaves her daughter to create, shoot and submit work of her own creation. She didn't even mind the gold paint all over the camera! (All was well, Kari1 picked it off with a pin while I drank their coffee :) It's great that one so young is motivated to get involved in photography. I hope the we here at DPC provide all of them with an equally supportive and appropriate environment.
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03/29/2006 03:03:07 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by HBunch:
If anyone feels that a photo is in violation of the editing rules or the TOS, the best course of action is to submit a ticket to the SC, since we are the ONLY ones who can deal with a situation like that, and let us handle it. I see no need for anyone to call anyone out in the forums since the general public cannot handle such situations.
elgordo, I have submitted your photo in question for SC review, and am removing the photo from your post, since there is no purpose discussing it publicly. Thank you for drawing it to our attention, next time, please use the SC ticketing system. |
Thank you!! I looked for a means to report the suspect entry but could not find it. It did not occur to me that it would be in the 'help' menu! |
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03/29/2006 03:21:38 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by KiwiPix:
Originally posted by joynim:
That was my daughters photo that was disqualified and she is 9. Your right she created this artwork specifically for the challenge.
I had a sneaking suspicion that this might happen (DQ) however I have no input (deliberately)into what Joyah submits except to resize it for her in photshop. She has taken the DQ on the chin but I was very interested to see this thread and the other handprints photo. |
We discussed this at Joynim's place on the weekend and I have to say she has a very mature 9yr old who understood in a pretty grown-up way. As soon as she understood that there only had to be a fingertip or a leaf or the lid of the paint tube in the photo, it all made sense.
What is more impressive is the way that joynim leaves her daughter to create, shoot and submit work of her own creation. She didn't even mind the gold paint all over the camera! (All was well, Kari1 picked it off with a pin while I drank their coffee :) It's great that one so young is motivated to get involved in photography. I hope the we here at DPC provide all of them with an equally supportive and appropriate environment.
Brett |
Thanks Brett :)
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