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 03/01/2006 10:28:23 PM · #26
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
Originally posted by keegbow:
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
I wouldn't be in support of any challenge that is so restrictive on who can participate.


Why ?


Because I see this site as a site for all, not restricted by geography.


I can understand your thinking but really we have plenty of challenges, more then enough for the average person to enter why not showcase a section of the members that we know can produce awesome images.

Don't think of it as what you miss out on but what the site gains from it.

03/01/2006 10:31:24 PM · #27
Hear, Hear!

Message edited by author 2006-03-01 22:31:52.
 03/01/2006 10:43:06 PM · #28
The reason for the exclusivity is to reward these guys for outstanding work...maybe no ribbons??? maybe ribbons??? I just want to see some great photography...maybe in the future we can have an Aussie? or a Canadian one? Or whatever. I just see amazing work that needs reward
 03/02/2006 11:14:48 AM · #29
Just to add to this I got my March 06 Photoshop User magazine and on page 98 one of our Icelandic Members is featured in NAPP Showcase.

Very Cool Work!

03/02/2006 11:27:57 AM · #30
A bump cuz this idea sounds fun
 03/02/2006 11:43:52 AM · #31
I like the idea of having an Icelandic only challenge, but wait until easter, then most people have at least a few days vacation, the place I want to go to take pictures for that challenge is 400 miles away, can't make it a daytrip ;)
 03/02/2006 02:40:56 PM · #32
I have enjoyed this forum chat alot. Being a Icelander I am know
it is only a matter of time until I win (well I hope so anyway).

If you like to see a Icelandic picture challange
take a look at //ljosmyndakeppni.is/
03/02/2006 03:46:37 PM · #33
Two words.

Ragnar Axelsson.
 03/02/2006 04:07:19 PM · #34
Got a message from the site council that putting on a region specific challeneg won't be possible for some very technical reasons. It's a pity really. I wish there was a way around it. But at the moment it won't be happening.

Here is the response, which is fair enough:

Enzo, We will certainly consider this (as we do all suggestions), but it is not likely to happen for several reasons. First, in order to run a Invitational Challenge, we need to be able to code the restriction criteria in a way that the web server can understand; for example, "count of ribbons >=2" or "comments_made > comments_received". Since the location field is a free-form text field, is optional, and can be changed freely by the member, it's really not possible to restrict a challenge by location in any meaningful way. For example, "Location CONTAINS 'Iceland'" would not allow users who have 'Reykjavik' as their location, and nothing would stop a non-Icelandic user from changing his location to Iceland in order to enter. I also think we can agree that if we ran a challenge that was only open to US users, that challenge would draw strong criticism for being exclusionary. It's difficult to make the argument that it would be okay to run this type of challenge for some countries but not for others. Of course, the technology limitations above render this issue moot anyway.
03/02/2006 04:11:37 PM · #35
Originally posted by Tranquil:
Two words.

Ragnar Axelsson.


I'll second that. One of the best photographers in the world.
 03/02/2006 04:15:39 PM · #36
Originally posted by hotpasta:
Got a message from the site council that putting on a region specific challeneg won't be possible for some very technical reasons. It's a pity really. I wish there was a way around it. But at the moment it won't be happening.

Here is the response, which is fair enough:

Enzo, We will certainly consider this (as we do all suggestions), but it is not likely to happen for several reasons. First, in order to run a Invitational Challenge, we need to be able to code the restriction criteria in a way that the web server can understand; for example, "count of ribbons >=2" or "comments_made > comments_received". Since the location field is a free-form text field, is optional, and can be changed freely by the member, it's really not possible to restrict a challenge by location in any meaningful way. For example, "Location CONTAINS 'Iceland'" would not allow users who have 'Reykjavik' as their location, and nothing would stop a non-Icelandic user from changing his location to Iceland in order to enter. I also think we can agree that if we ran a challenge that was only open to US users, that challenge would draw strong criticism for being exclusionary. It's difficult to make the argument that it would be okay to run this type of challenge for some countries but not for others. Of course, the technology limitations above render this issue moot anyway.


I could say allot in regards to the excuses I mean the response but why. Seems the decision has been made. To bad really. It was a good idea.

The Wazzzzzz
03/02/2006 04:52:32 PM · #37
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by hotpasta:
Got a message from the site council that putting on a region specific challeneg won't be possible for some very technical reasons. It's a pity really. I wish there was a way around it. But at the moment it won't be happening.

Here is the response, which is fair enough:

Enzo, We will certainly consider this (as we do all suggestions), but it is not likely to happen for several reasons. First, in order to run a Invitational Challenge, we need to be able to code the restriction criteria in a way that the web server can understand; for example, "count of ribbons >=2" or "comments_made > comments_received". Since the location field is a free-form text field, is optional, and can be changed freely by the member, it's really not possible to restrict a challenge by location in any meaningful way. For example, "Location CONTAINS 'Iceland'" would not allow users who have 'Reykjavik' as their location, and nothing would stop a non-Icelandic user from changing his location to Iceland in order to enter. I also think we can agree that if we ran a challenge that was only open to US users, that challenge would draw strong criticism for being exclusionary. It's difficult to make the argument that it would be okay to run this type of challenge for some countries but not for others. Of course, the technology limitations above render this issue moot anyway.


I could say allot in regards to the excuses I mean the response but why. Seems the decision has been made. To bad really. It was a good idea.

The Wazzzzzz


Huh? That's ABSOLUTELY a reasonable response, not an excuse. In our game-playing site, we wanted to do the same thing, set up tournaments for individual nations, or states, and the coders totally nixed it because the biographical data are too diverse, and can be too easily changed in any case.

R.
 03/02/2006 04:54:37 PM · #38
My point was that there is always a work around. It is a reasonable response as you say and I mean no offense. It is after all just my opinon.

Best Regards
Erick

Message edited by author 2006-03-02 16:55:25.
 03/02/2006 05:53:12 PM · #39
I think it's a great idea.

You could potentially restrict by IP address ranges, there are plenty of sites out there that list each countries IP ranges, so that could work, but will be complicated and is bound to have exceptions.

Surely the most reasonable way that will keep everyone happy is to have a challenge open to all with a requirement:

Icelandic Tribute
Photo must contain one or more of the following:
- beautiful icelandic woman, esp with long blond hair and amazing eyes
- hunky icelandic male, esp with bit of stubble
- the northern lights
- a glacier
- lots of stars

That way anyone who can meet the criteria can enter, consider it an Icelandic tribute challenge? Non-exclusive, yet makes it a cinch for our Icelandic members to bring out their best and dazzle us.

I for one have visited Reykjavik and found it an amazing city. Wandering out of a fantastic restaurant and seeing the aurora in the street is a real life memory. That and the Blue Lagoon which was amazing. Only downside is the cost of beer I guess. :-)

Jamie
03/02/2006 05:58:49 PM · #40
Jamester, that is a most excellent suggestion! At a minimum, though, it could simply be a tribute to the fine Icelandic photographers with whatever we happen to be able to work with in our geographically handicapped area.

I've gotta believe that the number one product out of Iceland has to be photography. If not, it should be. :-)
 03/02/2006 06:03:01 PM · #41
it is so easy to make it an Iceland only challenge, the IP numbers here in Iceland are all very similar, the IPS's here are only 4, the 2 big phone companies, hive, and the universities/coleges/goverment

so to make it Iceland only challenge, you only have to set an IP filter that will exclude all IP's that do not start with...

these belog to siminn
213.220.xxx.xxx
213.167.xxx.xxx

this belongs to OgVodafone
194.144.xxx.xxx

this belongs to HIVE
193.4.xxx.xxx

and this belongs to the goverment/school system
130.208.xxx.xxx

so the IP filter only has to exclude submissions that does not come from the above IP numbers.

but if it's the will of the SC's than that's ok.. there are plenty of other photography sites that we can hold this challenge at :)
 03/02/2006 06:12:44 PM · #42
DanSig ... sorry but you are wrong becuase there are more INternet services then these 4. My service is Snerpa and has the IP adress 193.109...
But in the other hand then I can get a complete IP list over all Internet Services in Iceland ;)
 03/02/2006 06:28:17 PM · #43
Originally posted by birgir:
DanSig ... sorry but you are wrong becuase there are more INternet services then these 4. My service is Snerpa and has the IP adress 193.109...
But in the other hand then I can get a complete IP list over all Internet Services in Iceland ;)


ok.. so there may be a few more.. but still not that many so the IP filtering is still very easy and is done by many sites in Iceland to keep incoming traffic local, I know of many gameservers and torrent trackers that uses ip filtering and it would be easy to get an complete ip list from them.
 03/02/2006 06:40:29 PM · #44
Really wouldn't the best method be a honour system. It would be pretty easy to recognise any member who wasn't living in Iceland that entered.
 03/02/2006 06:43:19 PM · #45
Originally posted by keegbow:
Really wouldn't the best method be a honour system. It would be pretty easy to recognise any member who wasn't living in Iceland that entered.


I thin you're right.. if someone entered a picture taken in a desert with a palmtree or a cactus I think it would be obvious it's not Icelandic landscape...

but then again we do have Icelandic ribbon winners that do live outside Iceland....
 03/02/2006 07:14:10 PM · #46
I don't want to drag this thread off topic as the Icelanders submit some amazing photgraphs....but what about the aussies lately ?

I see that the Aussies have fewer participants than the Icelanders and yet have won four of the last eight blue ribbons.

Maybe we Aussies could have a head-to-head with the Icelanders.

cheers,
bazz.
 03/02/2006 07:40:05 PM · #47
I think I opened a can of worms with this thread. I respect the decision of the SC. I'd love to see a workaround and some of the suggestions are sounding great.

As for an Aussie vs Iceland shootout:

Once again: They have more photographers registered here with 250,000 population than we Aussies have with 20,000,000. That deserves some reward. They win hands down.

I like the idea of an open challenge, but with an Icelandic Theme...that way we will still see the best of their work...could be a good compromise.

I still love my initial idea...maybe we should make it an 'honour system' deal where we just have to trust each other that the work being entered is from Icelandic Photographers...
 03/02/2006 07:46:28 PM · #48
Originally posted by hotpasta:

As for an Aussie vs Iceland shootout:

Once again: They have more photographers registered here with 250,000 population than we Aussies have with 20,000,000. That deserves some reward. They win hands down.


I see.

I thought you singled out the Icelanders for their results but it's actually for participating up on this site.

cheers,
bazz.
 03/02/2006 08:47:49 PM · #49
No sir bazz, not for population but for quality/per capita...

Enzo
 03/02/2006 09:04:55 PM · #50
Quick question.

Would any of the photographers favoring an Iceland-only challenge object to a US-only challenge?

~Terry
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