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02/22/2006 05:57:34 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by The Dmachine:
Originally posted by bluenova:
You're crazy right? Please tell me you didn;t mean that. The cartoons were originaly published last summer, and people got upset, people apologised and it was all finished. Now these stupid papers re-publish it all again. Reall bad move, doesn't anybody respect other peoples faith anymore? |
There was a South Park recently that had the Mother Marry menstruating, I find this offensive, but if we have freedom of press it shouldn't only cover offending people Christian or Jewish faith. |
The difference is pictures of Mary is allowed, although as a Christian I find that south park does cross the line quite often, but drawings or images of the Prophet Muhammad is a BIG no no, it's simply not allowed in the faith. People just don't realise how offensive this really is, as most people don't know much about the real French culture. Many people could benefit from reading up a bit more on the things they are trying to put an argument against, as many people seem to have an opinion without finding out what it's all really about. |
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02/22/2006 06:09:07 AM · #27 |
American, Canadian, French, whatever ... I think it's sad that people tend to judge or assume their few experiences make for the truth (I'm just as guilty as the next but I try not to). And as such there's a lot of anti-everything ... anti-muslims, anti-American, anti-French, anti-European, anti-Chinese, anti-semite, etc. I'm not French but my husband is and I have lived in France for more than 5 years. I can only say that I do confirm that the French can be infuriating, proud, narrow-minded, unfriendly, etc, etc, etc. So Dmachine, you are partially right on that. On the other hand, I can also say that I've met the most darlings of French people too (my husband included of course), but ordinary people like shopkeepers, restaurant owners, work colleagues, even cops. And Kavey is right about going out of Paris to find these gems! In fact, Kavey is right about rude people in most big cities. Same experience for me in New York, Hong Kong, Milan, London, Beijing, LA, and yes, even Sydney. France is having a lot of political and economic problems at the moment. It's in a gloom. Sometimes, I wonder if it's not because of this and a certain lack of confidence that have made the French close up to the rest of the world even more rather than open up to embrace change. I've also lived in the US for 2 years in the early 90s and haven't been back till a few years ago. I gotta say, I was unpleasantly surprised by some attitudes I saw there as well.
So, please do not stereotype the lot nor pass judgement too swiftly. It doesn't help the many who are trying their best in whatever country or culture. And Paris is still one of the most beautiful cities I've seen even if I do wish Parisians could be a little friendlier and smile more. But then, the French don't have to pander to my whims and fancies. No country does. |
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02/22/2006 06:40:43 AM · #28 |
This thread has nothing whatsoever to do with photography. It should be moved to the rant section, or better yet, just delete the whole thing.
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02/22/2006 06:47:14 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by The Dmachine:
Heres why I dislike France and most of Europe for that matter, I find the people to be rude and condescending. I live in China (im Canadian) and come across Europeans travelling very often, most of them are smug and arrogant, with the exception of Norway (Norwegians in my experience are usually pretty cool) and the French are the worst. |
On behalf of my fellow Europeans please accept my heartfelt apology for our condescending rudeness, smugness and arrogance.
And I'm sure the people of France won't mind me putting in an extra special apology for them.
In future we'll try our best to be more like Norway. |
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02/22/2006 06:50:34 AM · #30 |
Yawn...
Let me know when word "India" or "Photographs from France" appears in this forum ....
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02/22/2006 06:50:38 AM · #31 |
| geeeeeeez I wasn't even thinking about hating anything when I saw this image (except not liking the composition very much) I guess some people just let hate rule their lives..I didn't vote low on the McDonald's flag in the sins challenge but I hate MickyD's.. WATCH SUPERSIZE ME! - <-------stepping down off pulpit |
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02/22/2006 06:53:48 AM · #32 |
Silvestro ,
Caro amico , Io sono nata a Parigi !
Mi piace la tua foto ed il titolo anchè.
Parigi è la più bella città del mondo , questi barbari non sapevonno niente ... ;-) (Please this is only a joke)
Don't mind about opinions left , they are only opinions ...
( "Solo una sana e consapevole libidine salva al giovanne dallo stress ..." Zucchero F. ) |
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02/22/2006 07:02:11 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by The Dmachine:
Heres why I dislike France and most of Europe for that matter, I find the people to be rude and condescending. I live in China (im Canadian) and come across Europeans travelling very often, most of them are smug and arrogant, with the exception of Norway (Norwegians in my experience are usually pretty cool) and the French are the worst.
The nicest people I meet travelling are Americans, Canadians, and some Australians. I can't stand the European Union, I can't their politics, Canada was on a road to follow the EU with it's left wing liberal BS, thank God we have a new conservative Prime Minister. Basically Europe (with the exception of England) has been turned into a big weak joke. Pandering to Muslims and Homosexuals rather than standing up for whats right in this world. |
It interests me, Dylan, that the people you consider "nice" are all English speakers and have a culture that is similar to your background. Often people speaking in a foreign language can appear rude or arrogant because of the lack of fluency. Also what is rude in one culture is acceptable or even polite in another.
If one was to read your profile, Dylan, it could be considered arrogant but I take it as tongue in cheek because I read into it the nuances of my own language.
Do you speak French, Dylan? Also you haven't mentioned the Chinese in whose country you reside. Do you speak Chinese? Does this affect your feelings towards their culture and mannerisms?
I would be interested in knowing how much travelling you have done in Europe as catagorising all the countries of the EU is difficult when so many different cultures are represented, including religions and languages.
Pauline
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02/22/2006 07:05:06 AM · #34 |
love france, people, the wine, the cheese, castles ....
did i mention the wine .. ?
sure some French are arrogant, but no better or worse than some Canadians or Americans or brits or ... you name it ..
in general - generalizing a people by country is pretty silly ;)
picture is so-so - not all that interesting
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02/22/2006 07:47:54 AM · #35 |
I personally don't mind France and would love to go to Paris, but here is why some American's don't like France.
(Forgive the generalizations, they are there for effect)
1. They all smoke and fail to shower, attempting to cover Body odor with perfume instead of deodorant.
2. Although the US credits France with the help given during the revolutionary war, France fails to adequately acknowledge that without U.S. intervention, they would all be eating schnitzel, driving volkswagens and wearing leder-hosen.
3.Although foolish American tourists don't make a good impression on host countries, the French insist on rudeness and arrogance toward tourists, who no doubt drop billions in France every year, all the while French tourist are rude and exhibit qualities as mentioned in #1.
4. On a minor note, no matter how stupid and silly the US may be with its wars, France denied airspace for transport of troops and such, despite the facts mentioned in #2 (and based upon its arab ties, which coincidentally bit them in the ass in the way of riots and fires recently).
5. oh yeah, and for the reason that being unabashedly anti-semetic is somehow acceptable in France.
Now, these may not be valid, but they are reasons nonetheless, and they are pretty much true or generally defensible assertions, maybe. |
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02/22/2006 07:51:21 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by Riponlady:
It interests me, Dylan, that the people you consider "nice" are all English speakers and have a culture that is similar to your background. Often people speaking in a foreign language can appear rude or arrogant because of the lack of fluency. Also what is rude in one culture is acceptable or even polite in another.
If one was to read your profile, Dylan, it could be considered arrogant but I take it as tongue in cheek because I read into it the nuances of my own language.
Do you speak French, Dylan? Also you haven't mentioned the Chinese in whose country you reside. Do you speak Chinese? Does this affect your feelings towards their culture and mannerisms?
I would be interested in knowing how much travelling you have done in Europe as catagorising all the countries of the EU is difficult when so many different cultures are represented, including religions and languages.
Pauline |
Good point, except the fact that Norwegians don't speak English as their first language. Anyhow Chinese people are very friendly and for the most part polite. I do speak Chinese, Im not fluent but I can have a conversation. I speak very little French, just what I learned in school as learning French in Canada is manditory. Don't forget Canada is a bilingual country with a large portion of our population of French descent. I have never travelled to Europe and to be honest with you I have no desire to. I have had enough experience with Europeans and I really desire no more.
Im not saying all Europeans are bad, but the truth is most I have met have been rude, thats just my experience. I don't care for Europe's politics either, half the continent borderlines socialist and it shows. The European Union has had a large influence on Canadian laws, it seems our last PM modelled his politics after that of the EU. Im not sure why.
Don't get me wrong, if I met a friendly European I could get along well with them, I don't hate them, I just don't particularly like them. |
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02/22/2006 07:59:27 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by The Dmachine:
Originally posted by Riponlady:
It interests me, Dylan, that the people you consider "nice" are all English speakers and have a culture that is similar to your background. Often people speaking in a foreign language can appear rude or arrogant because of the lack of fluency. Also what is rude in one culture is acceptable or even polite in another.
If one was to read your profile, Dylan, it could be considered arrogant but I take it as tongue in cheek because I read into it the nuances of my own language.
Do you speak French, Dylan? Also you haven't mentioned the Chinese in whose country you reside. Do you speak Chinese? Does this affect your feelings towards their culture and mannerisms?
I would be interested in knowing how much travelling you have done in Europe as catagorising all the countries of the EU is difficult when so many different cultures are represented, including religions and languages.
Pauline |
Good point, except the fact that Norwegians don't speak English as their first language. Anyhow Chinese people are very friendly and for the most part polite. I do speak Chinese, Im not fluent but I can have a conversation. I speak very little French, just what I learned in school as learning French in Canada is manditory. Don't forget Canada is a bilingual country with a large portion of our population of French descent. I have never travelled to Europe and to be honest with you I have no desire to. I have had enough experience with Europeans and I really desire no more.
Im not saying all Europeans are bad, but the truth is most I have met have been rude, thats just my experience. I don't care for Europe's politics either, half the continent borderlines socialist and it shows. The European Union has had a large influence on Canadian laws, it seems our last PM modelled his politics after that of the EU. Im not sure why.
Don't get me wrong, if I met a friendly European I could get along well with them, I don't hate them, I just don't particularly like them. |
i would suggest you taste the food before refusing it
as far as cnd politics go, we've swung 'right' again, that is untill they become as corrupt as the last set & the set before that & the set before that ..etc.. it' will change ..
and to say this set is ANY different is living in denial ...
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02/22/2006 08:00:04 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by The Dmachine:
. I have never travelled to Europe and to be honest with you I have no desire to. I have had enough experience with Europeans and I really desire no more.
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This is a great shame, especially in someone so young! If I had judged where I wanted to travel by the behaviour of the relatively few tourists I met from the US, Egypt, Mexico, France, Italy etc etc I would have missed out in so much!
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02/22/2006 08:05:23 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
This thread has nothing whatsoever to do with photography. It should be moved to the rant section, or better yet, just delete the whole thing. |
Harvey,
I'm not sure about that. Photography is a vehicle to transfer emotions and understanding how people felt in front of a picture and for which reasons is really fascinating.
Silvestro. |
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02/22/2006 08:07:34 AM · #40 |
Okay- this is an official warning. :) There are several comments in this thread that are currently under review.
It's going to take me a little time here, and most of SC is still in bed. Suffice to say, if you are contemplating a hot/hostile response, please back away from your keyboard now. :)
Go vote on a challenge or something, then come back.
As a reminder. Comments on challenge entries are governed by the DPC TOS. This means comments that could be considered a personal attack (including those based on Nationality) are not permitted.
Now play nice while I go back and read through the thread. :)
Oh! And if you think a post is pushing the line, or is inappropriate PLEASE use report post.
Thanks! |
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02/22/2006 09:05:19 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by ralphnev:
love france, people, the wine, the cheese, castles ....
did i mention the wine .. ?
sure some French are arrogant, but no better or worse than some Canadians or Americans or brits or ... you name it ..
in general - generalizing a people by country is pretty silly ;)
picture is so-so - not all that interesting |
exactly. you cant and shouldnt generalise a nation of people, simply because people ARE different. there are of course arrogant people all over the world- they're not all bunched together in one country.
my University represents a wide range of nationalities and faiths, and i for one think thats brilliant. my experience of the french students here has been nothing short of brilliant, i have found them all to be very welcoming and polite.
i just cant believe how xenophobic some of the content of this thread is. im half norwegian and i can assure you that not all norwegians are well spoken or indeed polite. just the same as residents of any country. there are always going to be some bad apples, but you simply cant label an entire nation on experience limited to such few.
Anders
edit: spelling
Message edited by author 2006-02-22 09:06:50. |
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02/22/2006 09:08:59 AM · #42 |
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02/22/2006 09:23:16 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by blemt:
Okay- this is an official warning. :) There are several comments in this thread that are currently under review.
It's going to take me a little time here, and most of SC is still in bed. Suffice to say, if you are contemplating a hot/hostile response, please back away from your keyboard now. :)
Go vote on a challenge or something, then come back.
As a reminder. Comments on challenge entries are governed by the DPC TOS. This means comments that could be considered a personal attack (including those based on Nationality) are not permitted.
Now play nice while I go back and read through the thread. :)
Oh! And if you think a post is pushing the line, or is inappropriate PLEASE use report post.
Thanks! |
This thread is called "Why do people hate France?" how can anyone answer this question with out stating why or why not they like or dislike France? Grow up. Seriously. Everyone on this site is an adult, if they don't want to hear about liking or disliking France then they don't have to read this thread. No derogatory terms have been used.
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02/22/2006 09:39:34 AM · #44 |
I generally try to stay out of these rants (I do think this belongs there!) but I can't help wanting to point out that not all North Americans agree with the horribly xenophobic comments here.
I was lucky enough to live in Europe for 3 years; I travelled for business to France about once a month, usually for a week at a time. Most of my work was in Paris. My life in Europe and other areas of the world disabused me of the notion that "we're essentially all the same" - there are definite, glorious differences in personalities the world over, and thank God for that, and it is possible to generalize about countries to a certain extent. However, as in any country, the range of individuals is vast.
I was prepared for the worst in going to France because of stereotypes I had heard. I was shocked to find that NONE of the ones I had heard were true, except for the great food & wine. I spoke little French, and yet was almost unfailingly impressed by the degree of tolerance and helpfulness I found all over the country, particularly Paris. I am a wanderer by nature, and often found myself lost in the streets, or flailing over a restaurant menu, or at a loss to understand the office politics. I never once had a difficult time finding someone kind enough to help me.
There wasn't a country in Europe that I didn't fall in love with, and France is ranked very much at the top for me (... after Italy, where I would happily live & die).
I am now lucky enough to visit my in-laws in the south of France fairly frequently. I do find some arrogant people there - it's a ritzy area & I doubt you'd find resort-type areas anywhere in the world without the arrogance. I see the arrogance in the tourists from France but also from those from all over the world.
My advice: open your mind, travel a little and enjoy.
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02/22/2006 09:40:37 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by The Dmachine:
... This thread is called "Why do people hate France?" how can anyone answer this question with out stating why or why not they like or dislike France? No derogatory terms have been used. |
Terms of Use: Section 4.2
(v) does or may denigrate or offend any ethnic, racial, gender, religious or other protected group, through use of language, images, stereotypical depiction or otherwise,"
Originally posted by The Dmachine:
... Grow up. ... |
Uncalled for.
Originally posted by The Dmachine:
... Everyone on this site is an adult, if they don't want to hear about liking or disliking France then they don't have to read this thread. ... |
DPChallenge also has the right to remove or lock any thread/content on the site that it chooses to. In the world of "Google" and other WWW search engines, I imagine DPChallenge would prefer to remain associated as a photography site first...in other words, what is said on this site can be construed as representative of DPChallenge and it's community of members. They (DPChallenge) have a right to protect their image.
I'm surprised the thread has been allowed to remain at all with the title that was chosen.
edit...typo
Message edited by author 2006-02-22 09:41:23.
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02/22/2006 09:41:44 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I'm surprised the thread has been allowed to remain at all with the title that was chosen.
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As I believe I pointed out- the thread is under review. :) |
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02/22/2006 09:46:16 AM · #47 |
Can somebody please move this to the rant forums? That way I don't have to acknowledge its existence, especially this early in the morning.
Thanks! |
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02/22/2006 09:49:20 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by blemt:
... There are several comments in this thread that are currently under review. ... |
Sorry, I took your comment to mean that comments/posts within the thread itself are being looked at and not the overall thread itself.
I think the entire thread is out of character (or very borderline at a minimum) for DPChallenge. Certainly belongs in Rant if it remains. ;^)
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02/22/2006 09:53:20 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by blemt:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I'm surprised the thread has been allowed to remain at all with the title that was chosen.
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As I believe I pointed out- the thread is under review. :) |
I honestly don't understand why it is so important to censor a conversation between grown adults. Noone is being hurt, hatred is NOT being spewed.
Glad2badad: If you don't like what is being said then why don't you simply make the choose like a grown man (I assume you are a man if you are a dad) and not read the thread? You can do that!!!! Why do you choose to attempt to censor what people are saying. You can mind your own business, or comment on what is being said, but why apeal to a higher authority to have this exchange of thoughts shut down. |
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02/22/2006 09:59:28 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
I personally don't mind France and would love to go to Paris, but here is why some American's don't like France.
(Forgive the generalizations, they are there for effect)
1. They all smoke and fail to shower, attempting to cover Body odor with perfume instead of deodorant.
2. Although the US credits France with the help given during the revolutionary war, France fails to adequately acknowledge that without U.S. intervention, they would all be eating schnitzel, driving volkswagens and wearing leder-hosen.
3.Although foolish American tourists don't make a good impression on host countries, the French insist on rudeness and arrogance toward tourists, who no doubt drop billions in France every year, all the while French tourist are rude and exhibit qualities as mentioned in #1.
4. On a minor note, no matter how stupid and silly the US may be with its wars, France denied airspace for transport of troops and such, despite the facts mentioned in #2 (and based upon its arab ties, which coincidentally bit them in the ass in the way of riots and fires recently).
5. oh yeah, and for the reason that being unabashedly anti-semetic is somehow acceptable in France.
Now, these may not be valid, but they are reasons nonetheless, and they are pretty much true or generally defensible assertions, maybe. |
I am French and I do not understand what you are trying to say. These 5 points are all wrong. Accept the difference.
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