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02/22/2006 10:02:47 AM · #51 |
To Rant we go.
This thread is still being reviewed by SC for possible TOS violations.
As a reminder, personal attacks are still no cool. Even in Rant.
Time outs will be issued if need be.
Play nice. |
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02/22/2006 10:07:18 AM · #52 |
Is it just me? This thread has disappeared from my front page - and no I haven't turned off rant. At least I don't think so - can't see where to do so!
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02/22/2006 10:42:13 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Is it just me? This thread has disappeared from my front page - and no I haven't turned off rant. At least I don't think so - can't see where to do so!
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Same here but, to be honest, I'm glad.
Few that hold bigoted opinions think of themselves as bigoted but there is certainly bigotry and prejudice expressed here. I certainly see some opinions expressed here that I wouldn't want on the home page of my website! There's a big difference between relating actual experiences one has had, negative and positive, and perpetuating negative myths and stereotypes in the name of "a conversation between grown adults".
Clara, I will certainly respect any decision that SC make regarding this thread... I enjoy free speech but I also hate to see it abused to denigrate other races, nationalities, groups...
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02/22/2006 10:45:27 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by msieglerfr:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
I personally don't mind France and would love to go to Paris, but here is why some American's don't like France.
(Forgive the generalizations, they are there for effect)
{SNIP 1-5]
Now, these may not be valid, but they are reasons nonetheless, and they are pretty much true or generally defensible assertions, maybe. |
I am French and I do not understand what you are trying to say. These 5 points are all wrong. Accept the difference. |
Of course they are and I hope that most intelligent adults recognise them as horrendously inaccurate stereotypes. I thought about refuting them step by step but even to do that lends them a credence I don't want to give.
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02/22/2006 10:52:42 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
Clara, I will certainly respect any decision that SC make regarding this thread... I enjoy free speech but I also hate to see it abused to denigrate other races, nationalities, groups... |
So that you guys understand. The issue here is that the thread originator did have a valid question. We are trying to work it out so the question can be discussed in a civil manner.
It's just taking a little evaluation. :)
Contrary to popular opinion we don't like wandering around slashing and burning conversations at will. ;)
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02/22/2006 11:24:12 AM · #56 |
Well Clara,
I had a question, now I have many answers that worry me. We "occidental" people like to think that other cultures are backward, that we're right and others are wrong, that we know the truth and so on...
You know what... we're so intolerant that if we talk about the city, we blame the neighbors, if we talk about the state, we blame other cities, if we talk about the country, we blame other states and at the end, if we talk about the world, we blame other countries. The sad thing is that most of this hate is based on preconception. Wow, I'm not surprised of what's happening all around us.
My question changes to: "Is that the most natural way the humans think or we are biased by the media?". Or to: "Why do people hate themselves?"
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02/22/2006 12:29:32 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by The Dmachine:
I can't stand the European Union, I can't their politics, Canada was on a road to follow the EU with it's left wing liberal BS, thank God we have a new conservative Prime Minister. Basically Europe (with the exception of England) has been turned into a big weak joke. Pandering to Muslims and Homosexuals rather than standing up for whats right in this world. |
I wasn't going to say anything, but I can't help it.. Pandering to muslims and homosexuals isn't "standing up for what's right in this world"? The oppression of groups of people is what isn't right in this world my friend, especially for no other reason than because it goes against whatever faith you've chosen to believe in. I'm ashamed you're from Canada. As for the conservative Prime Minister, he has no real power and he knows it.. I believe Canada will continue to stand up for the important things in this world, which is acceptance of people of all faiths, creeds and both sexual orientations. |
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02/22/2006 12:55:43 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
I personally don't mind France and would love to go to Paris, but here is why some American's don't like France.
(Forgive the generalizations, they are there for effect)
1. They all smoke and fail to shower, attempting to cover Body odor with perfume instead of deodorant.
2. Although the US credits France with the help given during the revolutionary war, France fails to adequately acknowledge that without U.S. intervention, they would all be eating schnitzel, driving volkswagens and wearing leder-hosen.
3.Although foolish American tourists don't make a good impression on host countries, the French insist on rudeness and arrogance toward tourists, who no doubt drop billions in France every year, all the while French tourist are rude and exhibit qualities as mentioned in #1.
4. On a minor note, no matter how stupid and silly the US may be with its wars, France denied airspace for transport of troops and such, despite the facts mentioned in #2 (and based upon its arab ties, which coincidentally bit them in the ass in the way of riots and fires recently).
5. oh yeah, and for the reason that being unabashedly anti-semetic is somehow acceptable in France.
Now, these may not be valid, but they are reasons nonetheless, and they are pretty much true or generally defensible assertions, maybe. |
I am intrigued about your last statement. I am not sure if you are reporting that you hear people making and defending these statements, or if you are representing them as truth. In either case, it is amusing that you can manage to make five statements that are all just about as wrong as they could possibly be.
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02/22/2006 03:50:59 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by The Dmachine:
There was a South Park recently that had the Mother Marry menstruating, I find this offensive, but if we have freedom of press it shouldn't only cover offending people Christian or Jewish faith. |
Menstruation is offensive? I thought it was a normal biological event for human females. Or should Mary be above all that biological nonsense?
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02/22/2006 08:20:18 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by shamrock69:
Menstruation is offensive? I thought it was a normal biological event for human females. Or should Mary be above all that biological nonsense? |
Devout Catholics might find a cartoon containing worshipers seeking divine healing lining up behind of a statue of the Virgin Mary spraying blood onto them to be a little offensive. Heck, I'm not Catholic and I thought it was a little offensive ... and perversly funny. |
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02/22/2006 08:27:06 PM · #61 |
| Why is this back on my homepage? I have the Rant forum blocked. |
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02/22/2006 08:29:53 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by elemess:
Why is this back on my homepage? I have the Rant forum blocked. |
I was just wondering the same thing...
For what it's worth, I think it's rather silly that there are people that generalize an entire nation for what they've experienced from a select portion of that nation's population... |
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02/22/2006 08:38:10 PM · #63 |
I have the rant forum blocked too but there are two rants on the My Home page.
I just went to check My Preferences and the turn-off-rants option isn't there any more
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02/22/2006 10:15:57 PM · #64 |
Here is something that may shed light on France. Not my thoughts, just found it.
WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY U.S. PRESIDENT, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?
My Fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat of Iraq regime has been completed.
Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in Iraq is complete.
This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American forces from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now to begin the reckoning.
Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short. The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland are some of the countries listed there.
The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the world's nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing copies of both lists later this evening.
Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely.
The money saved during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war.
The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.
Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic?
Call France!
In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this money toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home. On that note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the earth.
Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France, or maybe China.
I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France, Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are retiring from NATO as well. Bon chance, mesamis.
I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed. I
don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes, Beamers and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York
A special note to our! neighbors. Canada is on List 2 Since we are likely to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not pissing us off for a change.
Mexico
is also on List 2. President Fox and his entire corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a couple extra tank and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I am going to put em? Yep, border security. So start doing something with your oil.
Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty - starting now.
We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately, we'll be drilling for oil in Alaska - which will take care of this country's oil needs for decades to come. If you're an environmentalist who opposes this decision, I refer you to List 2 above: pick a country and move there. They care.
It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens. Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying, "darn tootin."
Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America. It is time to eliminate homelessness in America. It is time to eliminate World Cup Soccer from ! America. To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thanks guys. We owe you and we won't forget. To the nations on List 2, a final thought: You might want to learn to speak Arabic. God bless America! Thank you and good night. If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.
Message edited by author 2006-02-22 22:58:49.
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02/22/2006 10:48:13 PM · #65 |
I dunno how this Rant got on my front page because I have Rants turned off.
But as long as it has appeared, I'll state for the record: I love France and visit that beautiful country whenever possible. I like the people, I like the food, and I love the scenery among other things.
Now, where is that "Ignore" button... |
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02/22/2006 10:52:59 PM · #66 |
American Horse, While I know its not your original thoughts, I would like you to thank you very much for your previous post, oh were it true....
Mike
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02/22/2006 11:21:16 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by milo655321:
Devout Catholics might find a cartoon containing worshipers seeking divine healing lining up behind of a statue of the Virgin Mary spraying blood onto them to be a little offensive. Heck, I'm not Catholic and I thought it was a little offensive ... and perversly funny. |
Hmmm... sounds serious, and not at all like the monthlies i have experienced. For this i will be grateful. However, SouthPark strives to educate via offense, so anyone with a thin skin shouldn't be anywhere near the show, imo.
Oh, and to stay on topic. I've not yet been to France, but hope to go late this year. I anticipate enjoying every minute of our trip, and hope that we do not give offense.
Message edited by author 2006-02-22 23:23:19.
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02/22/2006 11:44:07 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by bluenova:
Originally posted by The Dmachine:
Originally posted by bluenova:
You're crazy right? Please tell me you didn;t mean that. The cartoons were originaly published last summer, and people got upset, people apologised and it was all finished. Now these stupid papers re-publish it all again. Reall bad move, doesn't anybody respect other peoples faith anymore? |
There was a South Park recently that had the Mother Marry menstruating, I find this offensive, but if we have freedom of press it shouldn't only cover offending people Christian or Jewish faith. |
The difference is pictures of Mary is allowed, although as a Christian I find that south park does cross the line quite often, but drawings or images of the Prophet Muhammad is a BIG no no, it's simply not allowed in the faith. People just don't realise how offensive this really is, as most people don't know much about the real French culture. Many people could benefit from reading up a bit more on the things they are trying to put an argument against, as many people seem to have an opinion without finding out what it's all really about. |
I wonder how many things that aren't "allowed" in the Christian, Jewish, Buddhist or any other faith are printed daily in newspapers, magazines or shown on television? Personally I'm exausted with the appeasement that we have to show these people because they were offended. Human beings were killed because of a cartoon drawing but I didn't see many riots after the trade center attack. I can't fathom why offending someone over a drawing of a prophet is bigger news than the murdering of people over the same illustration.I wonder if Allah is proud? I'd venture to guess that he/she isn't.
Message edited by author 2006-02-23 01:30:08.
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02/23/2006 06:24:09 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Human beings were killed because of a cartoon drawing but I didn't see many riots after the trade center attack. |
There was uncontrolled behavious after the WTC attacks and people (who "looked a bit Middle Eastern) were killed.
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02/23/2006 06:26:55 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by American_Horse:
Here is something that may shed light on France. Not my thoughts, just found it. |
Hmmm - if you think that the US can manage without the rest of the world, then maybe this would work. However, by suggesting that the US needs no-one, but every other country needs the US and should be indebted to the US for everything that the US has ever done (which is only good), you are demonstrating the arrogance that gives the US a bad name in some parts of the world.
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02/23/2006 08:33:30 AM · #71 |
| Hi all. I didn't read all this thread because I didn"t had the time. I read about 1/3 of it and I just have a few minutes left to post this answer. There are some canadian people in this thread that are saying dumb things about other country peoples and even dumber thing about some cartoons. I just wanted to make sure that people know that most of the canadian people are open minded and tolerant. Here in Canada we have one of the most free press in the world and no major paper did reproduce those cartoons. I know for a facts that in most countries in the world, canadian people are highly regarded as good people and I felt that what this person sayed was in fact doing more bad to canadian peoples than to the people from the countries he don't like because they're supposedly "rude" or whatever. In my opinions this guy is the exeption. |
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02/23/2006 08:45:56 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by nicklevy:
There are some canadian people in this thread that are saying dumb things about other country peoples and even dumber thing about some cartoons. I just wanted to make sure that people know that most of the canadian people are open minded and tolerant. |
Don't sweat it. I'm sure most people won't judge an entire countrys people by the thoughts from one of it's body builders.
(read the profile...laugh and move on)
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02/23/2006 09:04:26 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by legalbeagle:
Hmmm - if you think that the US can manage without the rest of the world, then maybe this would work. However, by suggesting that the US needs no-one, but every other country needs the US and should be indebted to the US for everything that the US has ever done (which is only good), you are demonstrating the arrogance that gives the US a bad name in some parts of the world. |
Yeah, you would think I was being arrogant. But my American perspective is differant than your English perspective.
The bad name in those parts of the world, are those countries on the second list?
Message edited by author 2006-02-23 09:18:08.
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02/23/2006 09:19:44 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by The Dmachine:
... Glad2badad: If you don't like what is being said then why don't you simply make the choose like a grown man (I assume you are a man if you are a dad) and not read the thread? You can do that!!!! Why do you choose to attempt to censor what people are saying. You can mind your own business, or comment on what is being said, but why apeal to a higher authority to have this exchange of thoughts shut down. |
Because I enjoy DPChallenge and when the opportunity comes up I mention it to other photographers I meet, or to friends and family. Threads like this one make me embarrassed to belong to this community.
As I said earlier, content posted here is not just visible to us here at DPC, it is visible to anyone on the internet eventually. Statements such as "hating" a country, etc... certainly does not show DPChallenge in a positive light, and can only tarnish our image as a well put-together photography site.
As for choices made by "higher authority" concerning this thread, they are obviously going to make the decision that is best for DPChallenge. An "appeal" was not made, although I think that's not a bad thing, as I am surprised to see this thread continue to exist. That's MY opinion, as you obviously have yours. ;^)
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02/23/2006 09:20:23 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by American_Horse:
Originally posted by legalbeagle:
Hmmm - if you think that the US can manage without the rest of the world, then maybe this would work. However, by suggesting that the US needs no-one, but every other country needs the US and should be indebted to the US for everything that the US has ever done (which is only good), you are demonstrating the arrogance that gives the US a bad name in some parts of the world. |
Yeah, you would think I was being arrogant. But my American perspective is differant than your Canadian/English perspective.
The bad name in those parts of the world, are those countries on the second list? |
We all have different perspectives, but don't confuse your perspective as representing an American perspective. It doesn't! |
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