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02/16/2006 07:12:47 PM · #101 |
yup
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
The answer is obvious to level the field. All photographeres abandon your styles and take that of another or simply a new one. Do not use the polish techniques but rather go back to square one. Lose your identity and then let's see if you can survive.
Is this another thread that advances nothing? |
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02/16/2006 07:18:50 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
And besides...a photographer and model both benefit from a good, comfortable relationship. The creative process is often a joint effort between the two. How would it be fair to tell these "teams" that they can't work together anymore?
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Not to single you out greatandsmall, but in answer to the tone of this thread in general - Gimme a break already. Nobody is forcing you to break up any of these great "teams", or trying to stifle any of your creativity, but just trying to support the concept of anonymity that is so basic to the way we do things around here.
Is there anyone else besides me, and maybe the OP, who would like to see people use more variety in their entries?
Is there anyone on the Site Council who would propose and/or support any measure, no matter how small and ineffective, that would support anonymity?
If you're not in favor of supporting anonymity just say so. I guess I could be content submitting a heron shot in every challenge. But all of you who have posted against my views in this thread gotta promise you won't vote them down.
Yeah, right. Like Buddy Holly sang - "that'll be the day".
j/k j/k ;) ;) LOL
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02/16/2006 07:23:43 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Is there anyone else besides me, and maybe the OP, who would like to see people use more variety in their entries?
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There's nothing wrong with variety, but it shouldn't be mandatory.
If you can't maintain your objectivity when you think you recognize who made a shot, then abstain from voting. |
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02/16/2006 07:35:29 PM · #104 |
I like your heron shots and would love to see more of them:)
And I promise to vote them based on my opinion of the image quality.
P.S. Hopefully you won't let your perceived lack of creativity on this site negatively affect your own creativity.
Message edited by author 2006-02-16 19:41:36. |
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02/16/2006 08:11:31 PM · #105 |
Wow, interesting thread... :)
I'll be honest enought to admit that there were a few times along the way that I found myself just a touch irritated after seeing a succesful entry based on an established member with a very recognizeable style. Guess we're all human and all have our moments. I did realize after a while that developing a 'style' is probably the hardest part of discovering who we wish to be as artists. I couldn't envision Helmut Newton or Ansel Adams one day deciding that they should develop a new style because the one they have is just too damn successful and getting kinda recognizeable. Ask anyone successful... they'll tell you to do one thing better than anyone else... or at least as good as you possibly can. Slowly I think I'm developing a style of my own. Although it may not be that recognizeable yet, I hope there will be a time that one of my images will immediately be connected to me. Who could hope for more than that. It takes time here... it's hard making inroads, I've discovered. But to people like Joey Lawrence (using him cause his name came up here) and Graphicfunk (mentioned cause of the unlimited respect I have for his talents) I bow very low and I tip my hat. And yes, if you take a look, they've strayed from their tried and proven 'style' many times...
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02/16/2006 08:47:23 PM · #106 |
eh, i must agree, many factors can give away what person has taken the shot. it's un-avoidable, i think.
if there is a person in my pictures, it's always either me or my nephew.
generally me however, i don't think people recognize that, besides, i haven't been in any challenge entries. |
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02/16/2006 08:50:22 PM · #107 |
im finding this whole topic to be fairly frustrating. it feels like the people who want complete anonymity during the challenges are not taking into account the situation of many of the photographers on this site. Not everyone can afford to get a new model for each challenge. Just using myself as an example as i stated earlier
I have myself  my sister  and my boyfriend 
granted in 2 of them the faces are not necessarily recognizable, but what if they were... i know this week my face is in a challenge I couldnt coordinate with either of them to model for me... and even if they could at some point someone is going to know who my models are.... well so what. Im shooting with my resources. So unless someone is offering to find me models, arange with them to work for no pay around my crazy work schedule ( so probably some shoot around 11 pm - 2 am range is when im usually fee) its not going to happen. Quite frankly Im not going to not enter a challenge, try to progress as a photographer, and try to challenge myself to go further because someone "might" recognize someone in my photo. To me thats just nonsense.
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02/16/2006 09:14:47 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by nlghttrain:
im finding this whole topic to be fairly frustrating. it feels like the people who want complete anonymity during the challenges are not taking into account the situation of many of the photographers on this site. Not everyone can afford to get a new model for each challenge. |
Where does it say that you have to use a model in "each" (your word) challenge? Some of the challenge topics pretty much preclude the use of a model, such as Wildlife or Abandoned Buildings. In most, indeed in almost all, you can meet the topic without using a model. This is not a valid arguement to use in opposing a strengthening of anonymity. To me thats just nonsense.
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02/16/2006 09:18:02 PM · #109 |
Here is an example of twice I've needed a model for a challenge that required people - both times I used me.... did I destroy annonimity?
Again, the line is gray - its too hard to say things are black & white.   |
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02/16/2006 09:20:45 PM · #110 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
The answer is obvious to level the field. All photographeres abandon your styles and take that of another or simply a new one. Do not use the polish techniques but rather go back to square one. |
I prefer slovakian to polish techniques. :OP |
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02/16/2006 09:21:24 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by idnic:
Here is an example of twice I've needed a model for a challenge that required people - both times I used me.... did I destroy annonimity?
Again, the line is gray - its too hard to say things are black & white. |
Don't know about anonymity, but you blew me away... :) |
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02/16/2006 09:27:50 PM · #112 |
Any dog I have in this fight is maybe over 8-10 images at most seen during my short one year membership that I thought weren't all that great taken by maybe 5 photographers...that I also thought, rated high simply because of the models recognizability. I could be wrong.
Outside of that, Pawdrix don't give a damn...
Now lets get back to taking some freakin pictures for cryin out loud!
Oh and Cindi- You is one hot mamma!
Message edited by author 2006-02-16 21:43:05.
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02/16/2006 09:40:22 PM · #113 |
really this whole argument is kinda silly. What do you do when you "think" you recognize someones model or their style? Some people probably vote it down, some may give it a bit higher score or you just ignore it and vote the picture on the challenge and its merits as a picture. The three probably even out in the end.
What if you vote a picture down because of your perceptions and it turns out not to be that persons photograph at all? Do you feel bad at all that you lowered someones score because you thought it was someone elses photo? My suggestion, if you cant be objecitve about a photo SKIP IT. DONT VOTE ON IT.
And thats all I have to say. |
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02/16/2006 09:56:17 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by idnic:
Here is an example of twice I've needed a model for a challenge that required people - both times I used me.... did I destroy annonimity?
Again, the line is gray - its too hard to say things are black & white. |
Twice in 61 challenges would hardly lead to "widespread recognition", "familar to the voters", or "easily identifiable". But don't take that as a comment the quality of your photos, just on the quantity.
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02/16/2006 10:02:00 PM · #115 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by idnic:
Here is an example of twice I've needed a model for a challenge that required people - both times I used me.... did I destroy annonimity?
Again, the line is gray - its too hard to say things are black & white. |
Twice in 61 challenges would hardly lead to "widespread recognition", "familar to the voters", or "easily identifiable". But don't take that as a comment the quality of your photos, just on the quantity. |
Actually I've been in 8 of my own entries - shows I'm not recognizable yet! :) |
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02/16/2006 10:32:42 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by nlghttrain:
im finding this whole topic to be fairly frustrating. it feels like the people who want complete anonymity during the challenges are not taking into account the situation of many of the photographers on this site. Not everyone can afford to get a new model for each challenge. |
Where does it say that you have to use a model in "each" (your word) challenge? Some of the challenge topics pretty much preclude the use of a model, such as Wildlife or Abandoned Buildings. In most, indeed in almost all, you can meet the topic without using a model. This is not a valid arguement to use in opposing a strengthening of anonymity. To me thats just nonsense. |
Sheesh have to take things so literally... by each meaning each photo i feel needs a model.... not each and every photo i ever take
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02/16/2006 10:47:57 PM · #117 |
| I guess DrJOnes would be SOL? I'd hate to be the one who suggests that he should branch out;) |
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02/16/2006 11:08:40 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
I guess DrJOnes would be SOL? I'd hate to be the one who suggests that he should branch out;) |
I really like that one shot he took of that girl with the really big boobs.
Message edited by author 2006-02-16 23:09:50.
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02/17/2006 01:56:13 AM · #119 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Is there anyone else besides me, and maybe the OP, who would like to see people use more variety in their entries? |
Sure, sometimes. There are a few people whose mugs I wouldn't mind not seeing in entries anymore...but who am I to dictate what people shoot? I'd rather see high quality shots with repititous subjects than I would shoddy work with unique subjects.
Originally posted by coolhar:
Is there anyone on the Site Council who would propose and/or support any measure, no matter how small and ineffective, that would support anonymity?
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I would not support any measures I've seen mentioned in this thread so far. And I'm not sure why I'd support any measures that are ineffective.
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02/17/2006 02:44:03 AM · #120 |
I would use myself in the challenges if only I have the guts :S
I'm just too ugly |
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02/17/2006 05:44:02 AM · #121 |
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Message edited by author 2006-02-17 08:08:45.
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02/17/2006 08:35:40 PM · #122 |
Lighten up?
My OP was just making an observation. To add a little more to the OP...I was once PM'd by several people that were "upset" with me because I used a "previously" posted picture entered in a challenge. The main beef was that "now there is a chance that voters will know who the entry belongs to" thus will not be voted on fairly ..one way or another.
Taking the above into consideration and after seeing many familiar faces in entries, I felt that by having a known face in the shot is the same as saying "this entry belongs to Kenskid" or "joey" or "whoever".
Just wanted some feedback from others...don't think I need to LIGHTEN UP!
KS
Originally posted by Joey Lawrence:
Lighten up and go take some pictures instead of sitting here. If you really believe you need a recognizable face for higher votes then go establish yourself as that face- I guarantee you cannot without the good picture coming first.
I like to be in my own pictures, it's fun and a challenge in it's own.
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02/17/2006 10:54:38 PM · #123 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
Just wanted some feedback from others...
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You certainly got that!
Message edited by author 2006-02-17 22:57:13. |
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02/17/2006 11:05:53 PM · #124 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I really like that one shot he took of that girl with the really big boobs. |
Haven't seen that one... Can ya post the thumb? |
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02/17/2006 11:24:38 PM · #125 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Haven't seen that one... Can ya post the thumb? |
Message edited by author 2006-02-17 23:25:38. |
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