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02/16/2006 12:11:24 PM · #1 |
I am kicking myself, as I go thru my first1.5yrs of photos I shot in jpeg and not raw.
If your camera can shoot in RAW shoot in RAW! Someday you will wish you had!
When I started I never thought I would love it so much, or that I would want to sell images in any way or display them in anyway. Now I am and looking back at a bunch of shots that are more or less lost for no other reason than I shot in jpeg.
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02/16/2006 12:12:42 PM · #2 |
I still shoot JPEG... why are your JPEG images lost? What kind of photos are they? My JPEGS are fine for my needs.
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02/16/2006 12:19:31 PM · #3 |
I didn't think I'd shoot RAW, and then i started charging people, doing weddings, useing flash. I now shoot all paying work in RAW, no matter what. I shoot much of my 'fun' work in RAW, and suspect that it will be all RAW very soon.
It is SOO nice to have an original 'negative' to go back when you wnat to. i have found my PS skills have improved so much that I can get much better images now than even 6 months ago. And with a RAW file, I KNOW it is the untouched original, no guessing games.
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02/16/2006 12:20:14 PM · #4 |
Why are they "lost"? Granted you have more flexibility in RAW as far as PP. But, a good JPEG is just like a digital slide, if you got it right, it's right.
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02/16/2006 12:21:03 PM · #5 |
I still shot high quality JPEG too. And no complaints by anyone so far. I don't shoot raw because of the "hassle" and size. Great for you and everyone that does, just my preference I guess. I guess me and Bobster are just stuck in the past....
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02/16/2006 12:25:09 PM · #6 |
| I don't see anything wrong with a good jpeg capture. |
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02/16/2006 12:25:14 PM · #7 |
I still have the jpegs bu I can not use them for stock, they are not big enough, nor can I make a decent size print i.e. 16x20 esp on my older rebel images
My PS skills have also improved and I could do a lot more in PS with borderline shots, and when saving and resaving jpegs the quality goes down every time you save.
If you shoot in jpeg at least save in tiff
Message edited by author 2006-02-16 12:27:26. |
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02/16/2006 12:29:49 PM · #8 |
I only shoot jpeg when it's family snaps, stuff for the web ONLY like stuff for sale on ebay, or lighting checks/experiments.
Everything else, RAW
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02/16/2006 12:32:08 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by ellamay:
I still have the jpegs bu I can not use them for stock, they are not big enough, nor can I make a decent size print i.e. 16x20 esp on my older rebel images
My PS skills have also improved and I could do a lot more in PS with borderline shots, and when saving and resaving jpegs the quality goes down every time you save.
If you shoot in jpeg at least save in tiff |
That being said, NEVER save over your original files. Keep the original unaltered files archived.
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02/16/2006 12:32:10 PM · #10 |
OK, stupid question here, but .... when you shoot in RAW, what settings do you have on your camera (white balance, all those other things)? Whenever I shoot RAW it seems like the images I get are so dark.
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02/16/2006 12:35:18 PM · #11 |
 16x20"
 20x30"
Both as sharp as any 35mm I have shot, AND were shot with the kit lens.
RAW may be better, but 8.2MP is certainly enough for high-quality prints in jpeg.
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02/16/2006 12:37:34 PM · #12 |
| I've never had a problem printing with jpegs.. as was mentioned, never save over the original files. Always make a copy to work on. |
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02/16/2006 12:37:42 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by ursula:
OK, stupid question here, but .... when you shoot in RAW, what settings do you have on your camera (white balance, all those other things)? Whenever I shoot RAW it seems like the images I get are so dark. |
I just set WB to whatever seems appropriate, same with the other settings. Pretty much all of them you can easily adjust later since you are dealing with the RAW file.
If they are dark, you must be underexposing. I don't see any difference (in exposure) between RAW and jpg mode with my cam, but I'm assuming from your post that you do? Is there an "auto compensate" setting on the D70? Try setting the exposure in M and only switching between RAW and jpg. Even though RAW allows better recovery of lost details due to exposure errors it's still better to get it right when you click the shutter.
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02/16/2006 12:38:09 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Cutter:
I still shot high quality JPEG too. And no complaints by anyone so far. I don't shoot raw because of the "hassle" and size. Great for you and everyone that does, just my preference I guess. I guess me and Bobster are just stuck in the past.... |
Nikon may be a hassle, but canon has Digital Photo Pro available for free - very good if not very intuitive to use. Last night I went thru 214 RAW captures - move from CF cards to puter, sort good from bad (to 79 good), move to anohter subdirectory, rename all 79 file with cust name and wanted sizes, adj exp and crop all 79, convert to JPG, all in DPP in 2 hours 5 minutes. Ready to print. Thats 1.6 minutes per printable image. It took longer to shoot them LOL
Size - yeah, perhaps an issue. I have plenty of CF cards and prices recently dropped a lot (sandisk and lexar has a rebate - 2Gb for $75). ON black friday I got a 250Gb HD for $30 and a DVD burner for $80. When I get the new Canon 35D at 10.5Mp I'll think my rebel files are small.
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02/16/2006 12:39:53 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
I've never had a problem printing with jpegs.. as was mentioned, never save over the original files. Always make a copy to work on. |
I haven't either, but, try going to a 48MB tiff required by Alamy from the jpeg as opposed to the RAW. That's a LOT of upsizing.
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02/16/2006 12:43:33 PM · #16 |
I agree with Mr. BradP. Raw is great and I am sure I will look into more in the future. But I can say (especially for those not wanting/able to shoot RAW) that you can still do a heck of alot with high quality JPEGs.
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02/16/2006 12:45:43 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by ursula:
OK, stupid question here, but .... when you shoot in RAW, what settings do you have on your camera (white balance, all those other things)? Whenever I shoot RAW it seems like the images I get are so dark. |
I just set WB to whatever seems appropriate, same with the other settings. Pretty much all of them you can easily adjust later since you are dealing with the RAW file.
If they are dark, you must be underexposing. I don't see any difference (in exposure) between RAW and jpg mode with my cam, but I'm assuming from your post that you do? Is there an "auto compensate" setting on the D70? Try setting the exposure in M and only switching between RAW and jpg. Even though RAW allows better recovery of lost details due to exposure errors it's still better to get it right when you click the shutter. |
Thank you. I will try the comparison as you suggest.
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02/16/2006 12:46:25 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Artyste:
I've never had a problem printing with jpegs.. as was mentioned, never save over the original files. Always make a copy to work on. |
I haven't either, but, try going to a 48MB tiff required by Alamy from the jpeg as opposed to the RAW. That's a LOT of upsizing. |
lol.. well, of course RAW has it's strong points, I'm not against RAW, just saying that jpeg isn't the horror that it's being represented as. |
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02/16/2006 12:46:27 PM · #19 |
What's the preferred software to work with RAW images made in Nikon format?
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02/16/2006 12:47:09 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by ursula:
OK, stupid question here, but .... when you shoot in RAW, what settings do you have on your camera (white balance, all those other things)? Whenever I shoot RAW it seems like the images I get are so dark. |
not a stupid question at all, tho my images are not dark, I do not know nikon but I would go thru all the custom functions/options and try to see what is set incorrectly. |
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02/16/2006 12:47:29 PM · #21 |
| I still shoot JPG on all but a few select shoots (if I'm shooting a specific challenge or doing shots for someone else - where I want max control). I tend to shoot a lot when I'm just out shooting and I prefer JPG because it's MUCH EASIER on disk storage space. I'm always careful to make sure I've got my WB set appropriately and I never edit a camera original. JPG works fine for 98% of my needs. |
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02/16/2006 12:48:35 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by ursula:
What's the preferred software to work with RAW images made in Nikon format? |
I'm not sure, but give RawShooter Essentials a try. I love it. |
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02/16/2006 12:49:15 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by ursula:
What's the preferred software to work with RAW images made in Nikon format? |
I suppose Nikon would sy NikonView ... LOL ... but Raw Shooter Essentials works fine on the occasion I work in RAW.
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02/16/2006 12:49:30 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by ursula:
What's the preferred software to work with RAW images made in Nikon format? |
I've only used Adobe Camera Raw, RawShooter Essentials (free) and RawShooter Premium. Of the three I prefer RSP. I find it faster and easier to use. RSE is just a scaled down version of RSP. |
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02/16/2006 12:50:35 PM · #25 |
The main advantages of RAW, when done correctly, is the lack of artifacts.
JPEG is a compression file, and everytime you save that file, you lose information.
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