How about a Post Processing Challenge?

Mattel Barbie Photo Designer Digital Camera

02/10/2006 11:05:28 AM · #1

I think this would be fun :)

Ok, the idea is to make a choice between 5-10 photographs (you can choose only 1) and edit to your hearts content. No holds barred.

I would suggest this to be a seperate challenge from the regular weekly member and open challenges and open to anyone who wants to participate.

We all have photographic talents to one degree or another, so let's see what we can do on the post-processing side.. just for the fun of it! :)

nsbca7

02/10/2006 11:13:18 AM · #2

Will motion blur be allowed?

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

02/10/2006 11:22:31 AM · #3

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Will motion blur be allowed?

You have to instruct the viewer to shake their head quickly to emulate the effect. That way it is done in the real world and not digitally. It is harder for them to do, but requires more talent.

Message edited by author 2006-02-10 11:22:57.

fotomann_forever

02/10/2006 11:29:22 AM · #4

So, to understand this --- the 5-10 photos are not our own, but pre-selected by SC or whomever? And, we PP them for the challenge?

nlghttrain

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

02/10/2006 11:31:28 AM · #5

Or what if we are all give the same image to work with, and then see what everyone does with it

nsbca7

Mattel Barbie Photo Designer Digital Camera

02/10/2006 11:37:25 AM · #6

Originally posted by nlghttrain:

Or what if we are all give the same image to work with, and then see what everyone does with it

Judging would be a bit taxing, don't you think?

02/10/2006 11:38:30 AM · #7

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

So, to understand this --- the 5-10 photos are not our own, but pre-selected by SC or whomever? And, we PP them for the challenge?

Correct. The photos can be selected by the SC or we can debate in this thread...

Originally posted by nlghttrain:

Or what if we are all give the same image to work with, and then see what everyone does with it

I thought about that, but the issue I (and possibly others may have) with it is the question "Who wants to look at the same photo 400+ times processed differently? So why not give a little variety?

Panasonic Lumix G 14mm F2.5 ASPH

02/10/2006 11:39:44 AM · #8

Isn't this what sites like Worth1000.com are there for? I'd like to see challenges here to continue to involve taking photos :)

Olyuzi

Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7

02/10/2006 11:40:25 AM · #9

Would be very boring just taking a picture of someone at their computer doing post processing :P

Ombra_foto

Olympus E-300 EVOLT

Olympus 40-150mm f/3.5-4.5 Zuiko Digital

02/10/2006 11:40:37 AM · #10

We have done this on a limited, informal basis here...

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=328425

nsbca7

Mattel Barbie Photo Designer Digital Camera

02/10/2006 11:47:54 AM · #11

Originally posted by FranziskaLang:

Isn't this what sites like Worth1000.com are there for? I'd like to see challenges here to continue to involve taking photos :)

At Worth100.com you edit a theme, not a group of individual pre-chosen images. Why are some people so opposed to anything a little different. This was not a request for site overhaul.

Olympus 40-150mm f/3.5-4.5 Zuiko Digital

02/10/2006 11:48:23 AM · #12

Originally posted by FranziskaLang:

I'd like to see challenges here to continue to involve taking photos :)

Yep, so would I. That's why I suggest this challenge as an aside to the regular challenges. :)

Originally posted by Ombra_foto:

We have done this on a limited, informal basis here...

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=328425

Ok, so why not make it a formal thing?

sabphoto

Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+

02/10/2006 11:49:21 AM · #13

Originally posted by FranziskaLang:

Isn't this what sites like Worth1000.com are there for? I'd like to see challenges here to continue to involve taking photos :)

Agreed, I am here to learn photography with as little post processing as possible (although I do understand that post processing IS an important part of digital photography just as the dark room is to 35mm photography). I think challenges such as these are best left as it was done in the threads posted by Ombra.

I think with such challenges we would have to change the name of the site to DAPCHALLENGE (Digital Art and Photography Challenge)

Ombra_foto

Olympus E-300 EVOLT

02/10/2006 11:56:32 AM · #14

Originally posted by sabphoto:

Originally posted by FranziskaLang:
Isn't this what sites like Worth1000.com are there for? I'd like to see challenges here to continue to involve taking photos :)

Agreed, I am here to learn photography with as little post processing as possible (although I do understand that post processing IS an important part of digital photography just as the dark room is to 35mm photography). I think challenges such as these are best left as it was done in the threads posted by Ombra.

I think with such challenges we would have to change the name of the site to DAPCHALLENGE (Digital Art and Photography Challenge)

Basic rules would cover everything you want then.
Post Processing isn't digital art, it's just making the most of the pictures you've taken. Why not allow people to learn ALL they can?

It's an old argument I'm tired of making.

Rikki

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

02/10/2006 11:58:09 AM · #15

Um like this?

Before

After

Bring it on :)

Message edited by author 2006-02-10 11:58:26.

02/10/2006 12:02:35 PM · #16

Whenever I submit a photo to a challenge, I do 2 things. Take the photo and then edit it. Editing is part of what we do as photographers. What I'm suggesting is a challenge to {b}showcase{/b] the latter part of what we do on a regular (weekly) basis.

I'm not suggesting the site be renamed or altered in any way. :)

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

02/10/2006 12:15:45 PM · #17

I'm not against post-processing. In fact, I'm in favor of it. It's part of the photo-taking process. However, it should be part of the challenge, not the whole challenge at DPC. The challenge themes, and the condition that the photo be taken during the week of the challenge is what sets this site apart from others. There are plenty of other sites where you can submit any good photo into a contest or photoshop photos to meet a challenge theme. DPC doesn't need to try and cover those areas, too. Of course that's just my opinion. :)

Edited to add that there are better ways (again IMO) to learn good post-processing than challenges where everyone edits the same photo (or one of a subset). I think to learn post-processing, an interactive process is much more beneficial.

Originally posted by Ombra_foto:

Basic rules would cover everything you want then.
Post Processing isn't digital art, it's just making the most of the pictures you've taken. Why not allow people to learn ALL they can?

Message edited by author 2006-02-10 12:17:27.

fotodude

Nikon D70

02/10/2006 12:35:57 PM · #18

Originally posted by sabphoto:

ok umm i hate when i drag myself into these things.

u are stating to things that are a total laugh to anyone (classic film photographer who reads this) 1st you are bring up this stupid digital photography term.

(ok this is just to make a point about being a purest about editing and such)

but u are really not taking a photograph at all, that it the true sence of the word (good old days meaning) refurs to film. what we do here is digital imaging. we aquire an image by way of data that mymics what light it sences in real life when the shutter opens, it then transfers this into 1s and 0s so we may make better use of what digital has to offer, instant gratification, editing, and enhanced faster work flow for the pro. having said that. lets go back to film. your pro film photographer of 1995 (just picking a date when it was out) was delighted when he or she started with photoshop b/c digital was expencive and didn't offer the resolution of film. so that photographer would do film shoots, scan them into photoshop as films and edit them using profesional level- Photographic softwere!
they would blend exposures and mess with everything and anything so long as there client was happy.
your amiture may have had this, but more likly carried around a good filter set that would allow them to do small affects and color enhancements as they were taking the image.

there is nothing wrong or "digital art" ish at all about photoshop. it was designed for film. and seing as how we make the bridge over without a scaner, but in our cameras photoshop is happy, and we are happy with instant gratification.

lissten if u want to learn photography I MEAN REALLY LEARN PHOTOGRAPHY buy your self a camera that is the real deal, something were u don't seee the image when it is aquired. something that forces you to braket- somthing that says u have 1 exposure left use you knowlege of PHOTOGRAPHY and take a great picture, not delete the last shot cause u don't like it anyway and take to of this subject cause it is better.

digital is like the fall of man to the amiture and the saving grace of the pro. and there is nothing wrong. infact digital was created for, the full use of all the crazy things u can do in photoshop.

(having said all this i remind u that at the tender age of 17 i have read every book on ever "great" photographer that i admire and even the 1s i don't like so much and have found no ones' images to be as beautifualy taken in a candid and true photographic way then the great Cartier-Bresson, and if i may i will speak from knowlege of his methods and say that he would have turned his nose up at digital format the same way u have at full on editing in photoshop. why? because of the one moment in time that he loved so much that he felt it nessary to take a Photograph of, so we all might see what he saw. digital to him allows for the editing he despised so if u can't get it right with film then get it right with photoshop and your digital camera, and if u have to have comps out for a client tomarow then do it with your hassablad and phase 1 back and what the hell are u the pro doing reading this post, u already made it u know what photography is to u the same as Bresson.

HEVEN FOR BID WE ALL LOST OUR COMPUTERS TOMAROW.

OR THERE WAS A HUGE POWER OUTAGE

WHAT WOULD U LITTLE DIGITAL PUREST DO THEN!!!!!

sorry to be mean but it is what works FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!

and photoshop is part of being a photographer in this day and age because lest face it no matter how hard we try we are just mymicing someone who has done it 10 times better than us.

and with that said if this site wants to be a safe haven than why won't they let us scan in film and enter it in a challenge? and if it wants to dissallow such a challenge fine its got its own agenda, but don't go being an armchair worrior for not using digital to its full advantages. that is stupid. it was created for a reason lets use it (maybe not here) but at home or somewhere else for what it is designed to be, the lazy mans way to producing "art" or really what it is designed for proffesional photogs who are under pressure to get the highout put shot to coke-a-cola to run in their next seires of billboards.

_bran(see why do i do this to my self different formats for different uses and different uses for different photographers- as they are so called)do_

Olympus 17.5-45mm f/3.5-5.6

02/10/2006 01:05:28 PM · #19

Originally posted by FranziskaLang:

There are many threads about how to do things in photoshop/psp etc. There are how-to's, there's the web and there are books and videos available to teach us how to post process. Let's do a challenge to SHOWCASE what we've learned about Post Processing. The best way I can see to do that is to limit the number of choices (photos) we can post process.

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On another note, let's not get into a flaming session, ok? Let's debate about the suggestion at hand. Can we do that? Rationally??

kirsty_mcn

Olympus E-500 EVOLT

02/10/2006 01:22:44 PM · #20

Originally posted by ggbudge:

Originally posted by Ombra_foto:
We have done this on a limited, informal basis here...

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=328425

Ok, so why not make it a formal thing?

People suggested it at the time, but imagine voting on 200+ takes of the same image... It worked really well on a small scale but would be hard to translate into a formal challenge, unless there were number restrictions (eg 1 image, 20 ppl or 5 images, 100)

Having said that, what happened to Neil's challenges? They were great fun...wasn;t it Kirbics turn to host??

02/10/2006 01:47:23 PM · #21

I don't think I was flaming ...

Originally posted by ggbudge:

On another note, let's not get into a flaming session, ok? Let's debate about the suggestion at hand. Can we do that? Rationally??

02/10/2006 02:00:45 PM · #22

Originally posted by FranziskaLang:

I don't think I was flaming ...
Originally posted by ggbudge:
On another note, let's not get into a flaming session, ok? Let's debate about the suggestion at hand. Can we do that? Rationally??

Ack! That wasn't directed towards you Franziska! :) I'm enjoying our discussion. :) I tried to address something else that I don't want to happen and responsed to you at the same time. That's why I used the ---------'s. Sorry for the confusion! :(

Message edited by author 2006-02-10 14:01:32.

02/10/2006 02:04:51 PM · #23

No problem. :)

Message edited by author 2006-02-10 14:04:59.

02/10/2006 02:39:36 PM · #24

Originally posted by FranziskaLang:

No problem. :)

Good!