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02/08/2006 03:41:56 AM · #1 |
I was searching for a way to test my site on 56k and I came across this:
//www.dallaway.com/sloppy/index.html
It's useful to see what dialup users are seeing...
~M
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02/08/2006 04:45:03 AM · #2 |
| I can't believe people still use 56k. It's like owning a rotary phone. |
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02/08/2006 04:48:10 AM · #3 |
| Well some people only have a choice of dialup or satellite, and satellite is expencive. |
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02/08/2006 04:49:48 AM · #4 |
hello, my name is taterbug...and I use 56k...
...and for a phone I have a string attached to a soup can |
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02/08/2006 04:53:43 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by bluenova:
Well some people only have a choice of dialup or satellite, and satellite is expencive. |
Not to mention T-Mo USA has been sitting on a higherspeed datanetwork for seven years now, when they purchased some EDGE kit that they never made available to their customers.
Yeah, I'm a little bit upset about this. The rest of the world already had bloody UMTS--and how much trouble would it have been for the FCC to have ensured that we used the same frequency for UMTS as everyone else!
On a less ranty note, I'm happy to see people *do* still test for lower speed connections. Except for this site, I usually don't even have images enabled because so many sites these days take long enough as it is without them. |
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02/08/2006 04:57:31 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by taterbug:
...and for a phone I have a string attached to a soup can |
Well at least you're not using dixie cups. |
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02/08/2006 05:01:59 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by taterbug:
...and for a phone I have a string attached to a soup can |
Well at least you're not using dixie cups. |
well, the dixie cups just were not loud enough at all...so I had to bite the bullet and upgrade.... |
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02/08/2006 05:09:42 AM · #8 |
It's a nice little app. Just a couple of points for people using it.
1. Clear your browser cache before using it, otherwise it won't work.
2. Most 56k users do not get true 56k, so a site should work well at 28.8k for a 56k connection. |
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02/08/2006 08:44:35 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I can't believe people still use 56k. It's like owning a rotary phone. |
Believe me, my friend it is NOT by choice. Maybe you should say "I can't believe that the local telephone companies are such tightwads that they won't upgrade rural phone lines to fiber so that broadband will REALLY be available everywhere." |
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02/08/2006 09:49:00 AM · #10 |
Dial up or sattilite is the only choice here. ;(
I emailed a full res photo to a publisher from here and it took 5.5 hours. The next day I went to another location and sent 4 in 15 minutes total. Go in any direction 1/2 mile and you can get DSL.
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02/08/2006 10:22:14 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by bluenova:
It's a nice little app. Just a couple of points for people using it.
1. Clear your browser cache before using it, otherwise it won't work.
2. Most 56k users do not get true 56k, so a site should work well at 28.8k for a 56k connection. |
Very true on both counts. I have to empty my cache anyways because the flash doesn't leave the cache on a hard refresh (which sorta sucks).
And yes, I test for 56k - but only because I just realized that the test for "dialup or broadband" in my site was IN the flash, after it already loaded. Uh, cuz I'm smart like that. :)
~M
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02/08/2006 10:30:23 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I can't believe people still use 56k. It's like owning a rotary phone. |
When you don't live in a city in a land that offers only Crown Corp.'s for their infrastructure and those crown corps charge a literal arm and leg per month usage of their services and the alternative being "high speed" satellite (which actually is not much faster than 56k dialup as we only get 200k transfer rate with the satellite at work)... 56k is all thats available. There is no alternative like cable or fiber or isdn lines, etc. It sucks that we can only get dialup here .. slow dialup. And it sucks that a lot of what would otherwise be great websites, bog up their pages with heavy graphics or animated intros, etc thinking that everyone has access to the advances in technology. It sucks.
ANd yes, I have a rotary phone. Made in 1973. Black. Desktop model. Very .... something. |
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02/08/2006 10:36:56 AM · #13 |
I have cable, DSL not available to me here.
A friend in the city now has the option of fiber optic right to his computer. He is tempted...our cable is at 6Mb down and 384Kb, maybe higher (not sure how to check this one) and the optic is 10Mb i think he said.
I work with folks that are dial up only. Most of them use the net so infrequently, unlike those of us with broadband that now live on the net. So they don't know what they're missing. I mean, they still actually talk to the framily. LOL
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02/08/2006 10:44:25 AM · #14 |
Just for the record, if you're not designing a site that will run decently at 56k, you're also not designing a site that will hold very well with search engines.
As always, content is still king, not fancy graphics or flash animations.
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02/08/2006 10:55:34 AM · #15 |
Just to clarify to peeps that fibre optics are not everything. True it does allow for very fast connections, but here in Belgium we can get speeds up to 20 Mbps (down-speed) via a standard cable connection. These lines have not been changed in years so they are not fibreoptic. It comes down to the quality of equipment and other things at the exchange.
In the UK you used to have to live very close to an exchange to get ADSL, but they discovered that if they make the housing of the little splitter (that spilts the phone line/data line) out of metal rather than plastic then they can offer ADSL to customers much further away. Simple, but effective.
Message edited by author 2006-02-08 10:55:59. |
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02/08/2006 11:25:00 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
I have cable, DSL not available to me here.
A friend in the city now has the option of fiber optic right to his computer. He is tempted...our cable is at 6Mb down and 384Kb, maybe higher (not sure how to check this one) and the optic is 10Mb i think he said.
I work with folks that are dial up only. Most of them use the net so infrequently, unlike those of us with broadband that now live on the net. So they don't know what they're missing. I mean, they still actually talk to the framily. LOL |
- You can get a good estimate of the real up and down from DSL Reports (don't need DSL to use it).
- I keep getting the fibre sales pitch and am tempted because it's close to the price I pay for cable (I assume it will go up once they have enough people - same as cable). I get 3Mb-6Mb down for cable (depending on time of day) and they are talking about 50Mb down for fibre but I don't need that much bandwidth often at home now days (would have been handy a couple of year back!).
- In a number of countries, "high speed" is far far from high speed and still quite expensive (including per Mb download fees and/or limits), so 56K is still common. |
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02/08/2006 11:25:48 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Just for the record, if you're not designing a site that will run decently at 56k, you're also not designing a site that will hold very well with search engines.
As always, content is still king, not fancy graphics or flash animations. |
Not to be a big dumb jerk but do a couple searches:
Syracuse wedding photographer
Syracuse wedding photographers
Syracuse wedding photography
Syracuse portrait photographer
Syracuse senior picture
Syracuse maternity photographer
Syracuse maternity pictures
CNY wedding photographer
Binghamton wedding photographer
Ithaca wedding photographer
CNY portrait photographer
Binghamton portrait photographer
Ithaca portrait photographer
Google, MSN or Yahoo - and tell me where Picture Infinity ranks with it's flash site? :)
Just curious.
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02/08/2006 03:13:58 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by nards656:
Originally posted by yanko:
I can't believe people still use 56k. It's like owning a rotary phone. |
Believe me, my friend it is NOT by choice. Maybe you should say "I can't believe that the local telephone companies are such tightwads that they won't upgrade rural phone lines to fiber so that broadband will REALLY be available everywhere." |
Well I was saying it tongue in cheek. Although out in the hill country outside of Austin we have cable. If I were to guess I would assume the reason why every rural area doesn't have broadband is simply due to lack of potential customers. |
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02/08/2006 04:05:08 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Just for the record, if you're not designing a site that will run decently at 56k, you're also not designing a site that will hold very well with search engines.
As always, content is still king, not fancy graphics or flash animations. |
Good point however a site perfect for 56k isn't going to do well in the search engines by default. That's just a prerequisite. Also, your decision about how to build your site should be based on who you will be targeting and how you plan on getting customers. If your customer base won't be using 56k and you won't be getting most of your business from online searches than it makes little sense to scale back your web site presentation just so the masses could potientially view it. |
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02/08/2006 04:25:20 PM · #20 |
lol wow 56k whats that...... I dont even think my young family members know what that is. lol I hate it now when a website takes a few seconds to load cause I am so use to my cable modem
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02/08/2006 04:46:12 PM · #21 |
| Hello, when I am on the road, there are locations where I can only recieve 14.4 service, via my cell phone... |
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02/08/2006 04:46:53 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Just for the record, if you're not designing a site that will run decently at 56k, you're also not designing a site that will hold very well with search engines.
As always, content is still king, not fancy graphics or flash animations. |
Not to be a big dumb jerk but do a couple searches:
Syracuse wedding photographer
Syracuse wedding photographers
Syracuse wedding photography
Syracuse portrait photographer
Syracuse senior picture
Syracuse maternity photographer
Syracuse maternity pictures
CNY wedding photographer
Binghamton wedding photographer
Ithaca wedding photographer
CNY portrait photographer
Binghamton portrait photographer
Ithaca portrait photographer
Google, MSN or Yahoo - and tell me where Picture Infinity ranks with it's flash site? :)
Just curious. |
Search engines continue to improve efforts to index flash sites however in this particular case any number of things could be happening. For starters those aren't highly popular search terms just looking at the few web pages the results generate. I doubt there are many sites that are specifically targeting those keywords so the level of competition for those keywords isn't that high. Also, the flash site could be doing other things to make up for it's disadvantages such as perhaps it has other sites the search engines deem of good quality linking back to them which could include paid or free directory listings the owner of that site setup or writes articles and has them published at online sites with a link back to his site. In other words, it's link popularity might be better than the sites below it.
In general flash-only sites are still at a disadvantage and if you'll notice when the competition is tough (i.e. for highly targeted keywords such as "wedding photographer") you don't see any flash sites ranking high.
Message edited by author 2006-02-08 16:50:45. |
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02/08/2006 04:50:37 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Search engines continue to improve efforts to index flash sites however in this particular case any number of things could be happening. For starters those aren't highly popular search terms just looking at the few web pages the results generate. I doubt there are many sites that are specifically targeting those keywords so the level of competition for those keywords isn't that high. Also, the flash site could be doing other things to make up for it's disadvantages such as perhaps it has other sites the search engines deem of good quality linking back to them which could include paid or free directory listings the owner of that site setup.
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Or it could be that big block of white text pasted on the bottom of the page. |
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02/08/2006 04:54:09 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by yanko:
Search engines continue to improve efforts to index flash sites however in this particular case any number of things could be happening. For starters those aren't highly popular search terms just looking at the few web pages the results generate. I doubt there are many sites that are specifically targeting those keywords so the level of competition for those keywords isn't that high. Also, the flash site could be doing other things to make up for it's disadvantages such as perhaps it has other sites the search engines deem of good quality linking back to them which could include paid or free directory listings the owner of that site setup.
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Or it could be that big block of white text pasted on the bottom of the page. |
LOL. Yeah it could be that. One thing that sucks is some sites are able to get away with a penalty like that while others get tripped. |
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02/08/2006 04:55:56 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by nards656:
Originally posted by yanko:
I can't believe people still use 56k. It's like owning a rotary phone. |
Believe me, my friend it is NOT by choice. Maybe you should say "I can't believe that the local telephone companies are such tightwads that they won't upgrade rural phone lines to fiber so that broadband will REALLY be available everywhere." |
For large parts of the world, owning a rotary phone would be a big deal. For some perspective, some time, go and look at phone ownership in developing nations. It is often expressed in square miles per phone or in 1000 people per phone.
Compare that to mobile phone ownership in places like Finland that is somewhere around 2.9 cell phones per person.
Message edited by author 2006-02-08 16:56:18. |
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