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01/25/2006 11:44:01 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by magnus:
Soon after I got my 10D, I bumped into a Canon representative. After discussing how much I liked the 10D, I asked him when Canon was going to make a DSLR with a live preview. He sneered at me and said "Oh, they'll never do that, DSLRs are for serious photographers. They don't need live preview". I don't know if this guy was just exceptionally stupid (and condescending!) or if DSLR makers really think that, but I'd certainly use live preview to take shots I couldn't otherwise (like over crowds, holding the camera out a window, etc.). |
I, personally, don't see a need for it. I don't see how it does any good -- you have instant feedback on your LCD right after the image is taken in the form of a picture (for white balance and major exposure issues) and a histogram (for getting your exposure just right)...anything more fast-paced than this would correct, I don't see how a live preview will help...but that's just how I see it.
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01/25/2006 11:44:30 PM · #27 |
Personally, I don't like using a lcd to frame my pix.
I would rather look TTL to set my frame, and not a tiny screen.
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01/25/2006 11:50:33 PM · #28 |
| Yep, it looks like the new Olympus E-330 will have two sensors. One, a small 0.8MP CCD, which will feed the flip out LCD, and the other, the main sensor, a 7.5MP "LiveMos" sensor made by Panasonic. There will be two viewfinder modes and when the second one is chosen, the mirror will flip up out of the way in MLU status so that the main viewfinder will be getting a 100% view that is fed from the main sensor. |
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01/26/2006 12:01:09 AM · #29 |
| Nobody is saing they'd rather use a live preview than TTL for most situations, but there are situations which become complete hit-and-miss if you don't have live preview on a flip-out display. The obvious one is composing a shot while holding the camera over your head. I'm certainly not coordinated enough to take the photo blind, look at the feedback image and say "oh it's 15 degrees too far to the right" and then make that adjustment shooting blind. |
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01/26/2006 12:04:05 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by Tranquil:
The new Minolta 5D has this feature. |
Actually, no it doesn't. It'll playback a shot immediately after you've taken it (like so many other DSLRs, I guess), but it doesn't have live preview.
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01/26/2006 12:19:08 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by magnus:
Nobody is saing they'd rather use a live preview than TTL for most situations, but there are situations which become complete hit-and-miss if you don't have live preview on a flip-out display. The obvious one is composing a shot while holding the camera over your head. I'm certainly not coordinated enough to take the photo blind, look at the feedback image and say "oh it's 15 degrees too far to the right" and then make that adjustment shooting blind. |
Agree, and is also why it is welcomed news that dSLR's will finally be getting a very welcomed enhancement :) Not sure why so many dSLR folks dont seem to welcome this? If you dont need it, you dont have to use it, right? It's an added feature. |
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01/26/2006 12:22:20 AM · #32 |
| I can see the flip out LCD being helpful when used near the ground when you can stablize the camera on a tripod, but when using it with camera raised overhead, it's still hit and miss because there's no way you can hold the camera in stable position, so chances are you are going to get a blurred picture, especially if it's a low light venue. |
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01/26/2006 12:27:36 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by magnus:
Soon after I got my 10D, I bumped into a Canon representative. After discussing how much I liked the 10D, I asked him when Canon was going to make a DSLR with a live preview. He sneered at me and said "Oh, they'll never do that, DSLRs are for serious photographers. They don't need live preview". I don't know if this guy was just exceptionally stupid (and condescending!) or if DSLR makers really think that, but I'd certainly use live preview to take shots I couldn't otherwise (like over crowds, holding the camera out a window, etc.). |
That's just like Steve Jobs saying, "Oh, they are creative people who think different, they dont need two mouse buttons" LOL |
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01/26/2006 12:29:23 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by magnus:
Nobody is saing they'd rather use a live preview than TTL for most situations, but there are situations which become complete hit-and-miss if you don't have live preview on a flip-out display. The obvious one is composing a shot while holding the camera over your head. I'm certainly not coordinated enough to take the photo blind, look at the feedback image and say "oh it's 15 degrees too far to the right" and then make that adjustment shooting blind. |
Agree, and is also why it is welcomed news that dSLR's will finally be getting a very welcomed enhancement :) Not sure why so many dSLR folks dont seem to welcome this? If you dont need it, you dont have to use it, right? It's an added feature. |
If they can incorporate it without adding extra heat to the sensor, and without incorporating a moveable LCD into the camera itself, I'm all for it. But, it comes down to what people want, and I can always choose cameras that don't have extra features I never use :) |
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01/26/2006 12:33:36 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
If they can incorporate it without adding extra heat to the sensor, and without incorporating a moveable LCD into the camera itself, I'm all for it. But, it comes down to what people want, and I can always choose cameras that don't have extra features I never use :) |
Well, it's Olympus, should be pretty well implemented, I reckon?
And I still insist that moving forward is almost always a good thing for us consumers :) I'd rather be spoilt for choices than have not enough to choose :p |
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01/26/2006 12:44:37 AM · #36 |
I'd like live preview on a twist LCD please.
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01/26/2006 12:51:14 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
I'd like live preview on a twist LCD please. |
heck, I would be happier if they make the LCD detachable view bluetooth or something!
EDIT: and include a shutter-release button on the wireless LCD piece would be SWEET!
Message edited by author 2006-01-26 00:51:44. |
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01/26/2006 01:00:09 AM · #38 |
I think having the "choice" and clean crisp pictures at ISO 1600 will draw a fair number of people. I know I've had situations when that live preview would have been better than crawling on the ground.
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01/26/2006 01:42:42 AM · #39 |
it's official now.
the review is oute330
Message edited by author 2006-01-26 01:43:22. |
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01/26/2006 01:44:29 AM · #40 |
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01/26/2006 02:05:04 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by crayon:
heck, I would be happier if they make the LCD detachable view bluetooth or something!
EDIT: and include a shutter-release button on the wireless LCD piece would be SWEET! |
That would be awesome! Wireless remote with live LCD viewscreen. That would so be a must-have!
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01/26/2006 03:06:31 AM · #42 |
Thisplace has had LCDs for SLRs for ages
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by crayon:
heck, I would be happier if they make the LCD detachable view bluetooth or something!
EDIT: and include a shutter-release button on the wireless LCD piece would be SWEET! |
That would be awesome! Wireless remote with live LCD viewscreen. That would so be a must-have! |
Couldnt you do that with a PDA, wireless software and a wireless camera setup?
Message edited by author 2006-01-26 03:12:48. |
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01/26/2006 03:08:41 AM · #43 |
Doesn't Canon's 20Da have this feature already?
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01/26/2006 04:54:14 AM · #44 |
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01/26/2006 04:59:15 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by srdanz:
Doesn't Canon's 20Da have this feature already? |
Yes, see this link
//www.akam.no/nyhet/speilrefleks/canon_eos_20da_kommer_til_norge/16514/2
But there is som limitations:
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Message edited by author 2006-01-26 05:01:03. |
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01/26/2006 05:07:23 AM · #46 |
The lcd is actually better for manual focus than modern focusing screens. Today, focusing screens are sacrifice accuracy for brightness. Usually, you can't tell the difference between depth at f1.4 and 2.8 (try it), while older screens show the difference clearly.
I wasn't aware of this problem until recently when a fellow guru pointed this out.
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01/26/2006 06:31:58 AM · #47 |
What I find interesting is that although the model number has gone up (from E-300 to E-330), the pixel count has gone down (from 8Mp to 7.5Mp)
Have the manufacturers finally stopped chasing pixel counts? |
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01/26/2006 07:44:59 AM · #48 |
Whether this works or not is going to be entirely dependant on the delay between what the camera sees and when it's displayed. With a true SLR we are seeing actual light from the subject with, for all intents and purposes, a zero delay.
Try waving your hand past the lens on a point-and-shoot while looking at the display or EVF. I suppose it's very camera dependant but my limited experience with point and shoots they show a quite noticable delay.
Secondly, one issue that vanished when I stopped using my wifes point and shoot and changed to my 350d is glare on the screen. Many times I found it almost impossible to see the screen to frame a shot when the sun was bright. Live feed to the LCD means no mirror, which in turn almost certainly means an electronic (or lack of) viewfinder and low-resolution EVFs suck.
Not that I would move away from EOS now, but I'm interested to see how this develops. I'm willing to bet this is a way to recruit more of the traditional point and shoot users into lens and accessory buyers.
Message edited by author 2006-01-26 07:46:27. |
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01/26/2006 07:49:16 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by ZorbaTheGeek:
Live feed to the LCD means no mirror, which in turn almost certainly means an electronic (or lack of) viewfinder and low-resolution EVFs suck. |
It appears to have an optical viewfinder in addition to the LCD preview, and a mirror. Best of both worlds really.
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01/26/2006 07:56:49 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by ZorbaTheGeek:
Live feed to the LCD means no mirror, which in turn almost certainly means an electronic (or lack of) viewfinder and low-resolution EVFs suck. |
It appears to have an optical viewfinder in addition to the LCD preview, and a mirror. Best of both worlds really.
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Agreed. Most of my reservations evaporate, can't wait to see how this pans out. =)
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