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01/21/2006 03:34:23 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by ElGordo:
Nice example, Paul. I would prefer the yellow band thinner at the top and sides, but this works very well. |
LOL -- I think I was intending to post it as a bad example ... : )
Those are also close to the school's colors. |
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01/21/2006 04:00:44 PM · #27 |
i lurve borders, not bright coloured ones.
sometimes an image needs a big border.
the thing is this, if you like em, use em.
may not improve your score tho.
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01/22/2006 10:33:50 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by goodman:
i lurve borders, not bright coloured ones.
sometimes an image needs a big border.
the thing is this, if you like em, use em.
may not improve your score tho.
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I never saw this image during the challenge (didn't do or vote color portrait). It's a great picture, no doubt. Deserved its high score/place, etc.
However, when does a border become a mat? When does the addition of something so key in gallery presentation cross the line and become a major element? |
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01/22/2006 10:42:08 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by strangeghost:
However, when does a border become a mat? When does the addition of something so key in gallery presentation cross the line and become a major element? |
When the artist says it does. |
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01/22/2006 10:44:29 AM · #30 |
Hate them. To me it limits the imagination and makes the picture seem smaller. I used them once in a challenge and I think it hurt.
Message edited by author 2006-01-22 10:46:02.
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01/22/2006 11:37:03 AM · #31 |
A border is anything outside the actual photo. Many people, including myself, often feel the Gray border of the website does not properly present "our" photo (wow..what a concept..the photograph is actually the photographers to do with as they feel represent their vision)
I LOVE Goodmans photo for two reasons;
-Great Photo
-It represents how SHE thought it should be and THAT opens my eyes to possiblities outside my own world.
Message edited by author 2006-01-22 11:39:26. |
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01/22/2006 12:44:02 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by strangeghost:
Originally posted by goodman:
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However, when does a border become a mat? When does the addition of something so key in gallery presentation cross the line and become a major element? |
Good point, John. Gallery displayed photos usually have mattes which were carefully selected to complement the photograph and the display is improved. At what point do we consider the border a major element? So far SC has been reluctant to restrict the use of borders except that the border may not contain elements from another photo or artwork. I like well done borders and would like to see them used to greater advantage in this venue. |
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01/23/2006 03:07:55 PM · #33 |
I don't think a border can do anything for your score but hurt it.
I have seen some borders that enhance the image, but I can't say that they have improved the score I gave. On the other hand, I've seen some borders that I thought were terrible and distracting for various reasons including size and/or color. I used to leave comments about what I didn't like about the border, but unfortunately, it seems to be a hot button issue and I received nasty PM's addressing my comments. I don't comment about them anymore, but if they are really bad (IMO) they can and have negatively impacted the score I gave.
Bill
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01/23/2006 03:20:07 PM · #34 |
More often than not, I hate the borders, especially chunky ones.
Really thin ones I can tolerate, and VERY occasionally a border actually adds to a photo.
If in doubt, you're better of without one.
We only have 640 pixels, why waste them?
It's a bit like titles.... I try to vote on the photo, not the border and title, but both are part of the whole presentation package and must therefore influence our opinion. |
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01/23/2006 03:23:51 PM · #35 |
Although a border can be used to good effect, most borders chosen by DPCers detract from their image submission. Images generally do not need a border.
My personal approach is to vote the picture and not to fault it for the photographer's poor choice of border. Others should vote according to their own criteria.
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01/23/2006 03:25:07 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
We only have 640 pixels, why waste them? |
Sometimes using only 620 pixels for the image and filling the rest with a solid color makes the difference between 153kb and 149kb.
For a "complex" image with lots of detail I'd rather sacrifice a few pixels around the edges in exchange for better-quality JPEG rendering. A couple of times the difference in getting the file under the limit was as simple as applying a three-pixel black stroke.
Message edited by author 2006-01-23 15:25:47. |
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01/23/2006 04:04:30 PM · #37 |
Love borders as I feel they add to the feel of an image as if almost completing it to a certain extent. However, I do not rely on borders all the time although 80% of my images do have them ;) My borders are simple though. No two color tones ;)
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01/23/2006 05:13:16 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Germaine:
I have very strong feelings about borders. Nine times out of ten, I hate them!!!! Especially big, thick, black ones. In our 640 pixel world, I'd much rather look at an interesting picture than a boring border. |
I second this statement, but if you REALLY MUST use a border black OR white.
Originally posted by Germaine:
P.S. I've never voted down a picture because it has a border. |
I have for really bad ones. |
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01/24/2006 03:50:52 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Beetle:
We only have 640 pixels, why waste them? |
Sometimes using only 620 pixels for the image and filling the rest with a solid color makes the difference between 153kb and 149kb.
For a "complex" image with lots of detail I'd rather sacrifice a few pixels around the edges in exchange for better-quality JPEG rendering. A couple of times the difference in getting the file under the limit was as simple as applying a three-pixel black stroke. |
Wow, I hadn't expected an answer that would actually give a good reason (other than cosmetic) for a border. I had never thought of it that way.
Now you have me scratching my head wondering just how much difference it makes - could you really SEE it?
Interesting answer in any case, thank you. |
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01/24/2006 05:03:01 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Beetle:
We only have 640 pixels, why waste them? |
Sometimes using only 620 pixels for the image and filling the rest with a solid color makes the difference between 153kb and 149kb.
For a "complex" image with lots of detail I'd rather sacrifice a few pixels around the edges in exchange for better-quality JPEG rendering. A couple of times the difference in getting the file under the limit was as simple as applying a three-pixel black stroke. |
Wow, I hadn't expected an answer that would actually give a good reason (other than cosmetic) for a border. I had never thought of it that way.
Now you have me scratching my head wondering just how much difference it makes - could you really SEE it?
Interesting answer in any case, thank you. |
I am pretty sure cropping 3 pixels top, bottom, left, and right whould have the same impact. |
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