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01/18/2006 09:36:40 AM · #26 |
Would fraternity brothers be considered non domesticated mammals? Just a thought.
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01/18/2006 09:54:37 AM · #27 |
| I live in a city we gots lots of these "non-domesticated mammals" |
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01/18/2006 10:01:10 AM · #28 |
| We will see lots of pigeons, gulls, squirrels, great blue herons, and other common species. I hope we see some great new species too. |
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01/18/2006 10:29:05 AM · #29 |
Ahhhh, well, then, to stay dignified, I am not going to enter wildlife.
If the last challenge of wildlife also asked for "natural environment" and the blue ribbon winner clearly stated theirs were taken at the Dallas Zoo, then what is the challenge? I am not going to shoot a duck, a heron, or a squirrel and compete with cheaters. I could go to my own Zoo, and I even have the circus coming to town for that matter on Sunday. I could ask for exclusive photos of some really cool animals then too, if I wanted to cheat, but for those going to cheat? Nahhh, I'll bow out of this one and try the more challenging other one.
Rose
Message edited by author 2006-01-18 10:39:22. |
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01/18/2006 10:38:27 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
.... I see a lot of heated words passing back and forth on this one :-)R. |
Yup - just like last time, the zoo vs. natural environment arguement. With most zoos replicating natural environments now-a-days there will be shots that are impossible to tell. I'm lucky enough to have some wildlife around most of the year but the catch will be getting out, weather permitting.
Good luck all. |
Yes, just like I am sure many will consider a farm, a pasture, etc are also natural environments.
To "me", the challenge means an animal that is not hand raised, not on a farm, not at a zoo, and not at a wildlife preserve. The idea is to capture a wildlife moment, and a cow in a pasture or a horse rolling over at a farm is not a "wildlife" capture. It is more about "captured wildlife" than a wildlife capture. This is the whole premise of the challenge to me. Which is not to be able to capture something that easy and which is bound behind a fence or within a natural "man made" environment. Even if it was ALL birds and squirrels, I would rather it be that, then to find out the winner's photo came from some unnatural environment.
I won't be entering this one. There are already too many arguments over it, and I forsee too many cheaters on this one. To whoever said it should give the "illusion" of a natural environment, LOL...that made me laugh as the best analogy of cross definition to a challenge yet. It specifically gives the definition as stated. It does not say to give the illusion of a wildlife capture. The word illusion is only your version, in my opinion, of justifying a cheated capture.
Yeah, I'm out of this one. Glad I got the heads up on this before I went a'hunting.
Rose
Message edited by author 2006-01-18 10:41:50. |
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01/18/2006 10:41:27 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by Rikki:
plus doesn't domesticated mean "human raised"? |
Edible
:p |
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01/18/2006 10:42:07 AM · #32 |
Wooohoo!!
I thought being shipped out to Southern India for 2 weeks was going to blow my chances for a while. Looks like I might be able to get out and get something a little more exotic than a rabbit ;-) |
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01/18/2006 10:44:02 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by alfresco:
Originally posted by Rikki:
plus doesn't domesticated mean "human raised"? |
Edible
:p |
Well, I'm not going to webster at the moment, but domesticated to me means an animal that is human raised, in whatever capacity, yes. A dog, a cat, and even some others like racoons, gerbils, rats, mice, some snakes, etc. If they are "tamed" by humans, and raised by humans, they are domesticated is my take. |
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01/18/2006 10:44:42 AM · #34 |
this is going to be a challenge for the birds - nothing else is out at this time of year for the most of us.
Then again, i could always go to walmart and shoot a feral cat running around the partking lot |
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01/18/2006 10:45:21 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by Falc:
Wooohoo!!
I thought being shipped out to Southern India for 2 weeks was going to blow my chances for a while. Looks like I might be able to get out and get something a little more exotic than a rabbit ;-) |
Just blew your anonymity! ;^)
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01/18/2006 10:45:59 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by mesmeraj:
this is going to be a challenge for the birds - nothing else is out at this time of year for the most of us.
Then again, i could always go to walmart and shoot a feral cat running around the partking lot |
Turn over a log or a rock and wake up a lizard or frog, etc... ;^)
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01/18/2006 10:53:47 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by mesmeraj:
this is going to be a challenge for the birds - nothing else is out at this time of year for the most of us.
Then again, i could always go to walmart and shoot a feral cat running around the partking lot |
I agree, and even myself. I live in Florida. There are lots of wildlife here and great weather for it, BUT, even if I got a monkey in a tree, or found a black racer snake under a log, who is really to say it did not come from the zoo? Heck, I could take a photo of a wolf this weekend at the zoo, or an elephant, or a tiger from the circus. I nice close up shot of the face, and give this whole long speech in comments about how I came face to face and nearly lost my life. LOL....So even though I "can" take photos in my neck of the woods of actual wildlife in wildlife environments, and even make it seem so, and that would not be typical birds, squirrels, etc, there is still the possibility of the cheaters in my opinion, and that persuades me from going out of my way to find anything out of the norm for my shot.
This is just my own opinion on it, and I am going to drop my take on this now, and just say that I am moving over to the other challenge. I have an idea for that one as I have entered one similar to that before at another site. See what I can come up with, and just go from there and in my own home. No safari's for this gal! :)
Rose |
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01/18/2006 10:58:19 AM · #38 |
Let's be fair ... don't forget the lovely house spider, cockroach, gecko, earwig, atic squirel, and in a lot of places the common ringneck pheasant can be found, and with a bird feeder (don't feed them too much or they'll become domesticated) birds of many kinds even during the winter. This is a great challenge for the cold northern hemisphere, after all it's a challenge and really not to difficult at that.
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01/18/2006 11:01:05 AM · #39 |
A lot of the wildlife here are taking their winter nap or have flown south. The birds that are here are sporting their winter plumage which is drab.
My original thought from just reading the title was to shoot a college house party or at a local bar. But that doesn't really fit the bill, though some of the people might not be very domesticated....
Oh well, there's always the other challenge....
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01/18/2006 11:06:00 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by alfresco:
Originally posted by Rikki:
plus doesn't domesticated mean "human raised"? |
Edible
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You eat your cats?
;>) |
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01/18/2006 12:22:02 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Rikki:
Photography is about illusion right guys? ... |
Since when is photography about illusion? That makes about as much sense as the people who think photography is an artform. Pretty narrow-minded view. Some photography may be about illusion but the main impetus of it is to depict reality. I wish people would stop trying to apply their own, limited, definitions to this very large and varied thing we call pohotography.
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01/18/2006 12:37:17 PM · #42 |
Maybe I'm missunderstanding something but it seems that you responded to what you believe to be a narrow definition, with one of your own?
Message edited by author 2006-01-18 12:40:41. |
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01/18/2006 12:42:30 PM · #43 |
Oops! I saw a tiger in the backyard. ;^) Is it from the zoo, or is it in a native habitat?
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01/18/2006 12:48:26 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Maybe I'm missunderstanding something but it seems that you responded to what you believe to be a narrow definition, with one of your own? |
What part of photography is excluded from my definition?
Sorry, but I did not see your post before you edited it so I may have missed something.
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01/18/2006 12:57:21 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Maybe I'm missunderstanding something but it seems that you responded to what you believe to be a narrow definition, with one of your own? |
What part of photography is excluded from my definition?
Sorry, but I did not see your post before you edited it so I may have missed something. |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Some photography may be about illusion but the main impetus of it is to depict reality |
I think that is the narrow definition being referred to.
How do you presume to know what the main driving force behind photography? That's just another narrow definition tainted by your perception of how you seem to believe the world to be.
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01/18/2006 01:08:18 PM · #46 |
| "the main impetus of it is to depict reality" |
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01/18/2006 01:09:08 PM · #47 |
personally i dont mind the zoo shots... in fact i like them... for me the the animals in the zoo are still wild.. would anyone like to jump in the cage with them and see how domesticated they are??? i wouldnt. Not everyone is fortunate enough to live in an area where they can see / have access to some of these beautiful creatures. Thats like saying if you went to the aquarium and took a great shot of a seal and then went a couple of miles down the road to the beach and hopped on the harbor seal boat ride the shots from the 2nd would be valid and not the priror. makes no sence to me since neither creature has been "domesticated"
do·mes·ti·cate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-mst-kt)
tr.v. do·mes·ti·cat·ed, do·mes·ti·cat·ing, do·mes·ti·cates
To cause to feel comfortable at home; make domestic.
To adopt or make fit for domestic use or life.
To train or adapt (an animal or plant) to live in a human environment and be of use to humans
Just my .02 |
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01/18/2006 01:10:23 PM · #48 |
| Yup other hemisphere here ... think I am off to staglands ... at least it kinda looks natural ...:) |
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01/18/2006 01:18:55 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by nlghttrain:
personally i dont mind the zoo shots... in fact i like them... for me the the animals in the zoo are still wild.. would anyone like to jump in the cage with them and see how domesticated they are??? i wouldnt. Not everyone is fortunate enough to live in an area where they can see / have access to some of these beautiful creatures. Thats like saying if you went to the aquarium and took a great shot of a seal and then went a couple of miles down the road to the beach and hopped on the harbor seal boat ride the shots from the 2nd would be valid and not the priror. makes no sence to me since neither creature has been "domesticated"
do·mes·ti·cate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-mst-kt)
tr.v. do·mes·ti·cat·ed, do·mes·ti·cat·ing, do·mes·ti·cates
To cause to feel comfortable at home; make domestic.
To adopt or make fit for domestic use or life.
To train or adapt (an animal or plant) to live in a human environment and be of use to humans
Just my .02 |
"...living in a natural environment. "
I wouldn't consider the zoo to be a natural environment for anything other then a human.
I like zoo shots as well, but those should go in the animals or zoo challenge, in my opinion. |
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01/18/2006 01:27:13 PM · #50 |
We had this argument before.
Personally, I'd be interested in seeing a lot of non-zoo photos.
I would have liked to see a description like this, which would pretty much exclude the more common "illusions" we saw last time:
"This week you've been sent on assignment for a wildlife magazine. Take your best shot at a picture which is a suitable for publication."
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