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01/12/2006 06:02:16 AM · #1 |
I think there should be two check box's here one to say you have read the comment and one to say it was helpful
for example:
"The berries are a bit too centered. If they are centered, it would be best to zoom in on them more. I can see the complementary colors, but not in the berries. More in the leaves. If the focus is the purple berries, it would have more impact is the leaves were yellow. The leaves in the forground are a little distracting. If they framed the subject more, they woul be fine, but here they just look like they are in the way."
This comment I would like the person who gave me the comment to know I have read what they have said and found it helpful
But if I got the next comments I would want people to know I have read it but it was not helpful
"Do not like your photo."
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or "nice shot"
Message edited by author 2006-01-12 13:34:12. |
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01/12/2006 07:12:08 AM · #2 |
| But isn't that why you can check some and leave the rest blank??? |
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01/12/2006 07:44:31 AM · #3 |
What he says makes sense. Many times comments will be given that say something like "Looks great!" or "Nice Job", etc... While it's nice to get those type of comments they really aren't "helpful". I find myself marking them as helpful to let the person who left it know that I've acknowledged it.
This would give the comments statistics a little more merit going forward where "Helpful" comments are just that.
My 2 cents. ;^)
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01/12/2006 09:10:21 AM · #4 |
| While your suggestion is a good one it will not accomplish what you want it too. Giving a negative check to a comment will discourage that person from making ANY comments, not encourage him to make better comments. So many people have stopped commenting altogether after recieving negative or argumentative PMs about their comments. Every time a comment is left means that the voter looked at your photo longer than he looked at the ones he didnt comment on. Probably he gave you a better score for that. Some people are better with words than others. Accept every comment as a gift, ignore the ones you don't like. |
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01/12/2006 09:42:22 AM · #5 |
We're all already getting beat into the ground on arguments of what meets the challenge and what doesn't. Adding the debate of what is or isn't a helpful comment, does not sound very intruiging. Leaving truely helpful comments can be difficult enough without the pressure of being graded for it.
I try at the very least to leave complimentary comments where I can, but if I'm going to be graded on something that is voluntary, then why should I bother at all.
Haven't we already done enough here to deter people from leaving comments.
Message edited by author 2006-01-12 09:42:59. |
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01/12/2006 10:17:12 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by emorgan49:
... Giving a negative check to a comment will... |
What are you talking about??? Nothing was said about a checkbox that is negative.
It was proposed to have two checkboxes instead of one:
1) Found the comment helpful.
2) Have acknowledged the comment (or Thanks - comment received).
From the original post: Originally posted by polkop:
I think there should be two check box's here one to say you have read the comment and one to say it was helpful |
This would be quite useful.
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01/12/2006 10:18:28 AM · #7 |
I have to agree that adding a check box stating that a comment was not helpful is NOT going to help get better comments nor will it inspire the DPCer to leave a better comment. It would be counter-productive.
If the photographer's curiosity and need to know why the commenter said "Do not like your photo." needs answering then there is always the PM. If one addresses the commenter in a non-combative manner say i.e:
"I was curious as to why you did not like my photo - is it because you have a suggestion on how to improve it or is it just because the subject matter presented is just not to your liking on a personal level? This is strictly an inquiry for feedback to help me improve my photoraphy skills so if you have any critiqes then I would greatly appreciate it. If not then I understand. Thank you."
Keep in mind that even then with any PM inquiry, it could make the commenter uncomfortable as that some do not like confrontation of any sort or manner.
If your curiosity needs slating and/or you want feedback to your photo than the other alternative is to post a thread asking for critiques/feedback on said photo from others.
If your curiosity needs slating and/or you want feedback to your photo |
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01/12/2006 10:22:13 AM · #8 |
| I'd actually like to replace the helpful comment checkbox with one that says "I read your comment, thanks." I'm not really a fan of the helpful box and didn't use it all until recently. Unfortunately, people took this to mean I didn't appreciate their comments which was absolutely not the truth and so I've started using it. But I'd much rather be able to simply acknowledge that I've read the comment rather than rank it as helpful or not. If we had both boxes, I'd probably not use the helpful box at all. |
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01/12/2006 10:25:05 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by pekesty:
We're all already getting beat into the ground on arguments of what meets the challenge and what doesn't. |
Totally unrelated topic to this thread.
Originally posted by pekesty:
... I try at the very least to leave complimentary comments where I can, but if I'm going to be graded on something that is voluntary, then why should I bother at all. |
Complimentary is nice and should be encouraged I agree, however, complimentary isn't always helpful. "Great shot" is complimentary, but how is it helpful. "Great shot. I love the way you've captured the emotion here. The angle you choose to shoot this at really helped deliver the story" - That's helpful. Or technical merits/dislikes can also be helpful.
One or two word comments are appreciated - and should be acknowledged with a checkbox "Thanks for the comment", etc..
Helpful comments tell me what is right or wrong with an image. Why you liked or disliked it, etc... These can be marked "Helpful".
BTW - You're not being "graded". ;^)
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01/12/2006 10:26:52 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by C Novack:
I have to agree that adding a check box stating that a comment was not helpful ... |
Missed the point. Nothing was said about having a checkbox that states a comment was "not helpful".
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01/12/2006 10:39:22 AM · #11 |
I find every comment helpful.
Some comments are helpful in understanding a technical aspect of my image. Some comments are helpful with understanding why my image did or did not appeal to someone. Some comments are simply helpful in understanding the commenter. After all, every comment made tells more about the commenter (level of expertise, likes, dislikes, etc) than it does about the image being commented on.
So I always check the box as soon as I have read it. A way of saying thanks for your comment. |
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01/12/2006 10:43:00 AM · #12 |
You have two boxes:
Helpful
Other
Ii it is NOT checked Helpful, then by implication it is Not Helpful. Does it really matter what the other bos is called? |
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01/12/2006 10:49:58 AM · #13 |
| Put me down for the: "Thank you for taking the time to comment" box. |
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01/12/2006 10:51:12 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by C Novack:
I have to agree that adding a check box stating that a comment was not helpful ... |
Missed the point. Nothing was said about having a checkbox that states a comment was "not helpful". |
She didn't miss the point, by not checking the "comment was helpful" box, you are in fact saying the comment was unhelpful.
Instead of trying to break down everbody's replies, perhaps you should make a better case for how this additional check will incourage more useful comments, as opposed to reducing the number comments in general. |
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01/12/2006 11:05:59 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by mk:
I'd actually like to replace the helpful comment checkbox with one that says "I read your comment, thanks." I'm not really a fan of the helpful box and didn't use it all until recently. Unfortunately, people took this to mean I didn't appreciate their comments which was absolutely not the truth and so I've started using it. But I'd much rather be able to simply acknowledge that I've read the comment rather than rank it as helpful or not. If we had both boxes, I'd probably not use the helpful box at all. |
i agree |
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01/12/2006 11:10:11 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by pekesty:
... She didn't miss the point, by not checking the "comment was helpful" box, you are in fact saying the comment was unhelpful.
Instead of trying to break down everbody's replies, perhaps you should make a better case for how this additional check will incourage more useful comments, as opposed to reducing the number comments in general. |
So saying "Thanks for the comment" is saying the comment was "unhelpful"? That's a stretch. Kind of like putting words in somebodies mouth.
This subject (regarding marking comments helpful - should I or not) has been discussed in numerous forums before. There are some who won't mark a comment helpful unless it truly is, others (as dwterry has pointed out) will mark every comment helpful. Then still there are others who don't mark anything helpful.
At least by being able to say "Thanks for the comment" with a checkbox thus labeled you are at least acknowledging the comment. It could also add more meaning to those that have a high level of "Helpful" comments as there are members out there who do take the time to make a meaningful comment to help someone.
It's funny. I personally don't really care either way if my comments are marked helpful or not. It's nice if they are I guess, but I rarely go back to see if they checked the box or not. I'm commenting because I want to. I'm also supporting the OP's original comment/idea because I've seen this issue come up before and I think this would be a good solution to get more comments recognized one way or the other for those that keep track of this statistic.
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01/12/2006 11:13:08 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by mk:
I'm not really a fan of the helpful box and didn't use it all until recently. |
If everyone used it, it would be a more meaningful stat. As it is though, it's good for people to know that even tho someone is a major jerk in the forums, their comments are helpful 80% or 60% or 100% of the time...or "look, they're a jerk in the forums AND their comments are only helpful 25% of the time." so we know to ignore whatever that person says. lol
I wish there was either another button or no button tho.
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01/12/2006 11:21:55 AM · #18 |
Some indication as to whether or not comments are appreciated would sure be useful. I used to comment on every photo I voted on but now comment on far fewer, and may actually stop, because of the seeming large number of people who either don't check the "helpful" boxes at all or only check those of people who say "great photo!", which IMHO is not helpful anyway and a waste of effort because that commenter should indicate the photo is great by giving it a good score!
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01/12/2006 11:24:01 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by pekesty:
... She didn't miss the point, by not checking the "comment was helpful" box, you are in fact saying the comment was unhelpful.
Instead of trying to break down everbody's replies, perhaps you should make a better case for how this additional check will incourage more useful comments, as opposed to reducing the number comments in general. |
So saying "Thanks for the comment" is saying the comment was "unhelpful"? That's a stretch. Kind of like putting words in somebodies mouth. |
What? Speaking of putting words in peoples mouth. Where did I say or even imply..."So saying "Thanks for the comment" is saying the comment was "unhelpful"?"
Message edited by author 2006-01-12 11:24:38. |
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01/12/2006 11:27:19 AM · #20 |
| This would probably be WAY more trouble than it would be worth, and maybe cause some problems too, which I'm sure is why it hasn't been implemented -- but would there be the possibility for a small text field where the photographer could respond to a comment if desired, with a 'thanks' or a brief explanation? |
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01/12/2006 11:28:54 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by pekesty:
... What? Speaking of putting words in peoples mouth. Where did I say or even imply..."So saying "Thanks for the comment" is saying the comment was "unhelpful"?" |
You said it for me when you said (about 6 posts back):
Originally posted by pekesty:
She didn't miss the point, by not checking the "comment was helpful" box, you are in fact saying the comment was unhelpful. |
Your quote, not mine. ;^) If I misread/misstated it I do apologize in advance.
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01/12/2006 11:30:31 AM · #22 |
Semantics aside, the goal, I assume, is to increase the number of helpful comments. I think the best way to do that is to increase the number of overall comments. Perhaps you are saying that people should be encourages to change their commenting style instead?
Does having two boxes help the number or quality of the comments? Or does it identify those who write more insightful comments? I'm missing the point. |
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01/12/2006 11:30:55 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by rachelellen:
This would probably be WAY more trouble than it would be worth, and maybe cause some problems too, which I'm sure is why it hasn't been implemented -- but would there be the possibility for a small text field where the photographer could respond to a comment if desired, with a 'thanks' or a brief explanation? |
Comments posted on an image page can be treated just like this forum thread where you can post your own comment or quote someone else. Then of course you can always send them a PM too if so desired. ;^)
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01/12/2006 11:34:25 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by emorgan49:
... Does having two boxes help the number or quality of the comments? Or does it identify those who write more insightful comments? I'm missing the point. |
Probably wouldn't impact the number of comments - maybe the quality (but I doubt it). I think the main thing is being able to let the commenter know you've read their comment and can say thanks by selecting the additional checkbox mentioned - especially when the comment isn't anything more than "Cool", or "Looks good".
The point may be fading...I'm having a hard time tracking it now myself. ;^)
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01/12/2006 11:34:37 AM · #25 |
Ok some people have taken this the wrong way....
I want to tell people who have left a comment that I have read it and then if it was helpfull for my learning of photography to check that box too
so what I am saying would look like this
User has read this message []
This comment was helpfull []
Edit
or
Thanks for your comment []
This comment was helpfull []
Message edited by author 2006-01-12 11:43:22. |
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