New Apple/Mac stuff being revealed today

01/10/2006 02:31:58 PM · #26

Go Mac go...

Now this is what I love about Mac.

"Power Up With MagSafe"
The new power adapter with MagSafe connector is designed to magnetically guide your cord into place and disconnect smoothly if someone (else) trips over it.

Good innovation...

Yonah is the dual-core revision of the PentiumM processor. And AMD's line has outperformed both Intel & PowerPC processors for quite a while now.

But Apple is showing great wisdom in choosing Intel. Intel has a lot more software and programming resources to help Apple migrate efficiently. (A resource that AMD just can't offer.) Intel's been migrating people over from RISC based platforms for decades. I am sure that Apple signed an exclusive agreement (although I am not sure if it was for 5 yrs, 10yrs, ?) But it was a wise decision to go for the company with the better migration tools knowing that in 5 yrs or whenever their contract agreement expires they'll be free to choose who ever is top dog at the moment. Which may still be AMD, but might be Intel again.

It'll be a fun next few years in way of new processors.

What I am very curious about (though extremely doubtful of) is whether I will be able to install Windows Vista on a Mac and dual-boot. I think Apple will likely prevent this. And I think this will be Apple's biggest mistake.

You see, I would buy an Apple Laptop if I could dual boot Windows Vista. This would allow me to perform my required work tasks which necessitate a Windows platform. But also allow me to use the Mac OS. Thus, potentially winning me over to OSX. Allowing dual-boot on Macs would enable Macintosh to increase their market share and greatly increase the number of users who experience immersion into Mac OS. And should greatly help them win over converts.

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01/10/2006 02:36:08 PM · #27

Apple said at the last keynote that there would be nothing to stop you from running Windows on an Intel-based Mac (maybe a sense of decency?), but you won't be able to install OS X on a non-Mac PC.

digitalpins

Canon EOS-60D

01/10/2006 02:38:42 PM · #28

yep I'm excited about the new MacBook also, looks like an awesome machine I can't wait until they comeout with the G5/G6 intel's those are gonna fly or be very fast powerful machines. The MacBook looks great. I also luv the new power cord and plug. But I would never install or want to install both Windows and OSX on my mac. Dont want windows know where near my mac. If rather have 2 separate machines. I still dont think iPhoto is going to be great for people like us who have 1,000's and 1,000's of photos, but it does look good or promising.

Oh yeah can't forget about the iMac that looks awesome as well.....

Message edited by author 2006-01-10 14:40:25.

strangeghost

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01/10/2006 02:44:26 PM · #29

Argh. My beloved new iMac G5 iSight, which I just bought a month ago... If I had waited, I could have had the same awesome computer with a 2.0GHz Intel Core Duo processor with 2MB shared L2 cache.

Oh well, I've still got a fine machine, I just may need to upgrade sooner than I thought...

-J

digitalpins

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01/10/2006 02:46:26 PM · #30

apple's the best for doing that, and soon as people by the macbook the will release a cheaper model

Brent_Ward

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01/10/2006 02:46:38 PM · #31

Originally posted by scalvert:

but you won't be able to install OS X on a non-Mac PC.

yet. I think they are positioning themselves to compete in the PC OS market.

Gordon

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01/10/2006 02:48:33 PM · #32

It's a bit bizzare to see apple going again for a choice with a crippled FSB. They made the exact same mistake with the powerPC architecture and now they've jumped ship to another (Intel) architecture with the same limitations.

Guess they are still about looks over performance.

Brent_Ward

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01/10/2006 02:53:17 PM · #33

Anybody see this new dell?

//www.dell.com/html/us/products/ces/?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

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01/10/2006 03:10:33 PM · #34

Originally posted by Gordon:

It's a bit bizzare to see apple going again for a choice with a crippled FSB.

Given that the fastest current Dell laptops I can find have a 533mhz frontside bus, I'm curious to know why you feel Apple's 667mhz bus is crippled- especially since that bus speed is limited by the CPU (Intel's chips), not Apple.

nsbca7

01/10/2006 03:13:06 PM · #35

Originally posted by scalvert:

but you won't be able to install OS X on a non-Mac PC.

There is already a hack out for that.

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01/10/2006 03:14:36 PM · #36

Originally posted by nsbca7:

There is already a hack out for that.

Was. Apple either already did or will disable it.

Gordon

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01/10/2006 03:15:00 PM · #37

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Gordon:
It's a bit bizzare to see apple going again for a choice with a crippled FSB.

Given that the fastest current Dell laptops I can find have a 533mhz frontside bus, I'm curious to know why you feel Apple's 667mhz bus is crippled- especially since that bus speed is limited by the CPU (Intel's chips), not Apple.

Exactly. Intel have a big problem coming up. CSI is way behind hypertransport. Intel have already dropped CSI from their latest roadmap - who knows how long they are actually slipping it by - and they don't have a good solution in place. It would be a major amount of egg on their face to have to license AMD's technology for their FSB.

Doesn't matter how many cores you want to stick behind a slow FSB, the bottleneck isn't going to move.

Meanwhile HT clips along up to 1.4GHz. It is just interesting to note that the older PPC architectures had this same problem, which was addressed by moving to HT, just around the time Apple jumped ship to another architecture with the same old, same old problem.

nsbca7

01/10/2006 03:15:47 PM · #38

Originally posted by scalvert:

Well it is slow compared to the 2-gig FSB I have on my G5, but compared to what is available for laptops it sounds smoking fast.

01/10/2006 03:16:42 PM · #39

Originally posted by scalvert:

Apple said at the last keynote that there would be nothing to stop you from running Windows on an Intel-based Mac (maybe a sense of decency?), but you won't be able to install OS X on a non-Mac PC.

Awesome....

Mac may just win me over yet....

(No word on whether the laptops have two click buttons or not yet is there?)

01/10/2006 03:19:27 PM · #40

Originally posted by Gordon:

It is just interesting to note that the older PPC architectures had this same problem, which was addressed by moving to HT, just around the time Apple jumped ship to another architecture with the same old, same old problem.

I think the limiting factor was getting a chip that supports HT into a laptop. The G5 was too hot, and the G4 PowerBooks only had a 333mhz bus. That makes 667mhz a healthy upgrade.

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01/10/2006 03:21:45 PM · #41

Originally posted by theSaj:

(No word on whether the laptops have two click buttons or not yet is there?)

I would assume it comes with the Apple Mighty Mouse, which has multi-button functions and a scroll ball.

Gordon

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01/10/2006 03:26:57 PM · #42

Originally posted by scalvert:

I think the limiting factor was getting a chip that supports HT into a laptop. The G5 was too hot, and the G4 PowerBooks only had a 333mhz bus. That makes 667mhz a healthy upgrade.

Yup, but it is very short term and certainly limiting in the desktop environment, for Intel. They are falling behind pretty quickly and will be for the next two or three years at least.

jazzmik

Nikon D300

01/10/2006 04:26:57 PM · #43

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by theSaj:
(No word on whether the laptops have two click buttons or not yet is there?)

I would assume it comes with the Apple Mighty Mouse, which has multi-button functions and a scroll ball.

I have never seen an Apple laptop include a mouse; this one is no different.

01/10/2006 04:32:10 PM · #44

Good point (or is that good point and click?)... no wonder I didn't see it. ;-)

welcher

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01/10/2006 04:42:25 PM · #45

Ohhh, I'd love to Switch to Macs. Just too expensive.

01/10/2006 04:42:25 PM · #46

"533mhz FSB"

(arent' all of Intel's busses quad pumped? 533mhz x 4 in bandwidth?

"I would assume it comes with the Apple Mighty Mouse, which has multi-button functions and a scroll ball."

Um...but I don't want a mouse with a laptop, just a trackpad with two buttons. That was one of a handful of "kill deal" reasons I did not buy a Apple laptop a few months back when I considered it.

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01/10/2006 04:43:44 PM · #47

Yeah...I'm kinda bummed, there was a lot of talk about Apple laptops becoming more competitive in pricing. But from what I see of the announcements it's not to be. They really need to get at least a 14" notebook for $899.

digitalpins

Canon EOS-60D

01/10/2006 04:44:46 PM · #48

they will soon have a lower price one I could imagine, it will come

Message edited by author 2006-01-10 16:45:02.

welcher

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01/10/2006 04:47:35 PM · #49

I'd love a notebook, but that's not high on my list. I wanna get a Mac desktop, and, barring a significant surprise on the pricing front, the new PowerMacs (or whatever they're called) will remain significantly higher priced relative to equivilently-powered XP boxes.

Too bad, as I really like OS X.

welcher