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01/07/2006 12:48:56 AM · #1 |
It may be worthwhile to consider a change to the system in order to keep the critique club queue manageable. I don't believe that any challenge has been completely critiqued by the CC in quite a while, if ever. I'm also quite confident that at least 90% of challenge entries request the in-depth critique.
In most cases when I pull an image to critique, there are several items I see that create problems. The primary problem is that the requesting photographer has left no comments of his/her own in the photographer's comment box. The critique that I may provide could be absolutely useless since I have no idea what the photographer's objective was with the image, other than meeting the challenge. If the only objective was to meet the challenge, then no critique is required. They either did or didn't accomplish their goal. Their score will reflect how well they met the challenge.
I also find it to be disheartening when I go to the user's profile to see what types of images they have submitted in the past and whether or not they participate on the site at a level beyond just entering challenges. Lots of them have no forum posts and many of them have left few or no comments on other challenge images. I believe that the critique should be reserved for people who are really trying to use DPChallenge as a learning tool.
Proposal:
In order to be able to check the "in-depth critique request" box on a challenge submission page, a user must meet the following requirements:
1. Participated in at least 5 challenges
2. Has a comment received to given ratio of at least 5:1
3. Challenge entries that score 6.4 or higher should automatically be removed from the queue
I believe that implementing these criteria would make the CC queue much more manageable and would help increase the site activity of those who wish to receive help with their work.
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01/07/2006 01:10:38 AM · #2 |
there has been an on-going discussion here on this:
Priority queue structure
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01/07/2006 01:13:11 AM · #3 |
| I agree with points 1 and 3. I think also drop the number on 3 to an even 6. In regards to point 2 I think that perhaps people who want a critique may feel lesss than confident about leaving comments on the photos of others so I would tend to not agree with that one. |
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01/07/2006 01:13:18 AM · #4 |
| I'm only a user and not a member of the Club but I think this has merit. I would add that to be eligible the requester must have included at least basic photographer notes. |
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01/07/2006 01:15:33 AM · #5 |
| Just to add that I am not a member of the CC and I don't ask for C's but I do believe its a valuable service for new users of the site. :) |
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01/07/2006 01:23:48 AM · #6 |
Would it be helpful for the critiquer if exif data had to be posted, as well as, lens and focal length used, and maybe some reasons why certain parameters were chosen, such as metering mode? I think if a entrant wants to have a CC, then they should also be willing to make a greater effort at posting needed information.
Just a thought. |
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01/07/2006 01:49:22 AM · #7 |
How about when they click on the check box to request a critique, another form pops up that they have to fill out - 3 to 5 fields, some technical, some point of view, etc.
It'd be really cool if they had to post the original capture so we'd have a clue what PP was done, what crop was made, and an explanation why.
But that is perhaps asking too much?
Message edited by author 2006-01-07 01:49:44.
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01/07/2006 02:11:18 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Would it be helpful for the critiquer if exif data had to be posted, as well as, lens and focal length used, and maybe some reasons why certain parameters were chosen, such as metering mode? I think if a entrant wants to have a CC, then they should also be willing to make a greater effort at posting needed information.
Just a thought. |
Olyuzi, my pet peeve is about people who can't be bothered to make comments in their submission telling us all of those things, particularly what their thoughts were as you say.
I'm not that fussed about the EXIF data since the submission boxes cover the basics which for me is fine.
It has to be a two-way collaboration. At the moment there's just too much one-way.
Brett |
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01/07/2006 02:20:01 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by KiwiPix:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Would it be helpful for the critiquer if exif data had to be posted, as well as, lens and focal length used, and maybe some reasons why certain parameters were chosen, such as metering mode? I think if a entrant wants to have a CC, then they should also be willing to make a greater effort at posting needed information.
Just a thought. |
Olyuzi, my pet peeve is about people who can't be bothered to make comments in their submission telling us all of those things, particularly what their thoughts were as you say.
I'm not that fussed about the EXIF data since the submission boxes cover the basics which for me is fine.
It has to be a two-way collaboration. At the moment there's just too much one-way.
Brett |
I agree with you, Brett, and think that in addition to the three propsals above, requiring certain information to be posted would weed out some more people who are not serious about learning photography and save some precious time for the critiquer. I would like to see mandatory lens and focal length used, at the least, to require a cc. |
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01/07/2006 02:24:42 AM · #10 |
This was discussed some time ago in this thread as well.
Critique Club Require input from photographers |
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01/07/2006 03:12:54 AM · #11 |
I may have different opinions than other people, but what I would really like to see happen is not to limit the ammount of people asking for help, but to increase the ammount of people giving it.
I (and others) have made a pledge to do at least 365 (one a day) critiques this year. Ok ok, so not a big deal.
Also, I'm trying to get some CC stats up (the mock page looks awesome thanks to langdon) and hopefully that will increase the popularity of the CC.
Also, I do agree that in order to check the box, you must have filled in legitimate information in the photographers comments box. This is a big deal to a lot of people, and I think once it's fixed (by implimenting some kind of stop) , people may want to draw more pics from the queue.
If a photographer refuses then to offer that info, then they didn't want the crit that bad anyway, and I wont feel so bad if they don't get one.
I am not sure about limiting it by comments given. Some of the people who need it most, are probably not familiar enough or comfortable enough to offer much critiques
Also, wouldn't want to limit it by minimum challenges entered either, since it's those first few photos that often need help most.
Baby steps. I think the CC just needs baby steps.
John, thanks for all you do in contributing to the CC. You're one of the top critics (by numbers), and that's not a small accomplishment. |
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01/07/2006 03:20:19 AM · #12 |
I have only just joined the critique club and came to it through knowing the need for more people to do this, and also being sold on it be Kiwipix as a learning tool.
I think that people are perhaps nervous of what they have to offer the CC and that is a turn off point. Selling it as a learning opportunity is a great way of doing it. I also found that having someone to buddy up with (thanks Kiwipix though I live with him) even via email to do some checks and balances if possible is a good idea.
Those are my thoughts for the moment.
Cheers
Kari |
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01/07/2006 08:32:53 AM · #13 |
John,
The problem with requiring 5 to 1 is that probly less than 1/20th of the site meets that requirement. The numbers just don't work - everyone can't give out 5 to 1. I know not everyone would try, but say you're a newbie, you've entered 8 challenges, received 150 comments and someone says "you can't get a CC now until you make 750 comments," well that newb will never get another CC.
Plus with 5-1 requirement you'll get
"good shot nice job"
"Nice job good shot"
"great"
"super shot"
Bleh. I'd rather not encourage Photosig crap.
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01/07/2006 08:44:39 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
received 150 comments and someone says "you can't get a CC now until you make 750 comments," well that newb will never get another CC.
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Your math is backwards it's
(5 received : 1 given)
Therefore, it would be 30 comments given.
steps back to lurker mode... |
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01/07/2006 03:33:36 PM · #15 |
Bump.
John...I forgot to add that in September we made it completely through about 4 challenges that month. I didn't keep up with them since then, but I do know that we made it completely through the username challenge this week as well. There were roughly 60 requests from that (small) challenge. There are now only 160ish photos in the queue, which is really pretty reasonable. They are pattern entries.
If we had 30 members dedicated to give 5 crits a week, the queue would be no problem. Back in september, we had 70 or so active CC members, so with even just 50 active members, that's only roughly 3 a week.
I have faith. I've gotten a number of new volunteers already just this week. |
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