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01/03/2006 09:09:12 PM · #1 |
National Religious Freedom Day
Religious Freedom Day
Each year, the President declares January 16th to be Religious Freedom Day, and calls upon Americans to "observe this day through appropriate events and activities in homes, schools, and places of worship." The day is the anniversary of the passage, in 1786, of the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom.
The goal of ReligiousFreedomDay.com is to promote and protect students' religious expression rights by informing educators, parents, and students about these liberties.
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Before you (not pointing at anyone in particular but there is sure to be one) go flying off about seperation of church and state or dogging religion (usually Christianity) make sure you understand why this day was created and where it got it's beginnings and most of all have an open mind.
It was designed to give EVERY religion the freedom it deserves and shows what rights the kids, teachers and schools really have. It isn't to give attention to one particular religion but to all in the US..after all, freedom of religion is one of the US's selling points.
I personally feel this is a great thing and should be encouraged. Imagine how much more tolerant our kids may be if they understood what a different religion stood for or believed. Maybe, just maybe, it could lead to someone changing their way of thinking and end up changing the world.
This guide has a lot of good info about how the school boards really feel about religion in school and give nice guidelines.
Religious freedom day guidebook
(p.s. I did not feel this belonged in the Rant section but if SC deems it so I guess that is where it should be moved to)
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01/03/2006 09:23:17 PM · #2 |
| Oh, I just bought a calendar (of ancient maps - it's very interesting) that says Jan 16 is "Martin Luther King Jr.'s Birthday USA". |
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01/03/2006 09:46:56 PM · #3 |
| Thank you for posting this. My hubby asked if I'd email him this info (from across the room) lol |
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01/04/2006 08:06:18 AM · #4 |
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01/04/2006 11:02:24 AM · #5 |
If it is truely a day to celebrate religeous freedom for all faiths, wouldnt the guidelines brochure reflect that better it it hadn't use the Bible in three of seven topics?
1. Students can pray, read their Bible. or other religeous books and talk about their faith at school and during school hours.
4. Teachers can organize prayer groups and Bible studies.
5. Students may be able to go off campus to have Bible study during school hours.
If no other religeous text is going to be mentioned perhaps the Bible should not be mentioned either? |
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01/04/2006 11:23:48 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by emorgan49:
If it is truely a day to celebrate religeous freedom for all faiths, wouldnt the guidelines brochure reflect that better it it hadn't use the Bible in three of seven topics?
1. Students can pray, read their Bible. or other religeous books and talk about their faith at school and during school hours.
4. Teachers can organize prayer groups and Bible studies.
5. Students may be able to go off campus to have Bible study during school hours.
If no other religeous text is going to be mentioned perhaps the Bible should not be mentioned either? |
Sure I guess they could have listed all other religeous text but I think for briefness they didn't, they did however say "other religious books" (not sure how you would say the Bible is ok without actually saying "Bible"). I think by saying "the Bible" it was an easy way to cover the material used by most religions in the US... (Christian 78% (Protestant 52%, Roman Catholic 24%, Mormon 2%), other 10%, none 10%, Jewish 1%, Muslim 1% (2002) according to United States of America)
If they were trying to be narrow minded they would have said "read their Catholic Bible" or "read their Protestant Bible". They are trying get the point across that it is ALL going to be accepted.
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01/04/2006 11:29:33 AM · #7 |
Leave it a white man (the president) to try and turn Martin Luther King Day into a less black/more white holiday.
IF they need such a day, pick another day.
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01/04/2006 11:41:54 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Leave it a white man (the president) to try and turn Martin Luther King Day into a less black/more white holiday.
IF they need such a day, pick another day. |
leave it to you (also apparently white)....to not know that Martin Luther King Day is on the 3rd Monday of January (since 1983) NOT always the 16th.
Message edited by author 2006-01-04 11:50:50.
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01/04/2006 12:00:25 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by sabphoto:
Originally posted by emorgan49:
If it is truely a day to celebrate religeous freedom for all faiths, wouldnt the guidelines brochure reflect that better it it hadn't use the Bible in three of seven topics?
1. Students can pray, read their Bible. or other religeous books and talk about their faith at school and during school hours.
4. Teachers can organize prayer groups and Bible studies.
5. Students may be able to go off campus to have Bible study during school hours.
If no other religeous text is going to be mentioned perhaps the Bible should not be mentioned either? |
Sure I guess they could have listed all other religeous text but I think for briefness they didn't, they did however say "other religious books" (not sure how you would say the Bible is ok without actually saying "Bible"). I think by saying "the Bible" it was an easy way to cover the material used by most religions in the US... (Christian 78% (Protestant 52%, Roman Catholic 24%, Mormon 2%), other 10%, none 10%, Jewish 1%, Muslim 1% (2002) according to United States of America)
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The web domain name Religious Freedom Day is registered to Gateways to Better Education who (at the top of their home page) state, "Gateways to Better Education's goal is to involve, equip, and support Christian adults (parents, teachers, administrators, and school board members) in America's 92,000 public schools so they can bring a Godly influence to their areas of activity. We envision public schools enriched by the academically legitimate and legally appropriate inclusion of Christian expression, thought, and values."
Doesn't sound very inclusive to me. |
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01/04/2006 12:01:23 PM · #10 |
The dates don't match. So "they" did pick another day.
King's birthday is the 15th - the holiday is the Monday - the 16th. The religious freedom day is the 16th. So once every five or six years King's birthday is celebrated on Religious Freedom Day.
However for the occasional duplications you can note the following.
The act that is basis of the commoration was passed in 1786 - quite a few years before King was born. So you can blame...
1. Those who passed the law in 1786 - how dare they pick the future birthday? Thomas Jefferson drafted the law - so perhaps he is the president to blame?
2. Blame those who wrote freedom of religion into the constitution. You can get a number of presidents that way.
3. Blame those who picked the date that particualar act was passed to celebrate religious freedom days. I am sure there were other possible choices. How about the day of the first settlement in MD. I think that one catch former President Clinton.
4. Blame those who refuse to celebrate King's birthday on it's actual date - they just had to choose to make it a Monday celebration.
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Leave it a white man (the president) to try and turn Martin Luther King Day into a less black/more white holiday.
IF they need such a day, pick another day. |
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01/04/2006 12:09:55 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by riolobo:
The web domain name Religious Freedom Day is registered to Gateways to Better Education who (at the top of their home page) state, "Gateways to Better Education's goal is to involve, equip, and support Christian adults (parents, teachers, administrators, and school board members) in America's 92,000 public schools so they can bring a Godly influence to their areas of activity. We envision public schools enriched by the academically legitimate and legally appropriate inclusion of Christian expression, thought, and values."
Doesn't sound very inclusive to me. |
Anyone can register a domain name. Better to go back to the actual presidential proclamations. Here is the one from Clinton in 1999.
//www.religiousfreedomday.com/proclamations/proc_clinton_1999.html
Sound rather inclusive to me. |
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01/04/2006 12:36:18 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by sabphoto:
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Leave it a white man (the president) to try and turn Martin Luther King Day into a less black/more white holiday.
IF they need such a day, pick another day. |
leave it to you (also apparently white)....to not know that Martin Luther King Day is on the 3rd Monday of January (since 1983) NOT always the 16th. |
My calendar has it on the 16th. perhaps the calendar companies are wrong?
or perhaps this site wrong //www.holidays.net/mlk/
or this one //www.mlkday.gov/
Perhaps the King Center has it worng too? //www.thekingcenter.org/holiday/info.html
Or you?
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01/04/2006 12:50:19 PM · #13 |
I think the point is that they've declared every January 16th to be religious freedom day whereas MLK day falls on the 3rd Monday which just happens to also be the 16th this year but won't be next year.
Message edited by author 2006-01-04 12:50:36. |
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01/04/2006 12:55:35 PM · #14 |
Prof,
Martin Luther King Day falls on January 16th, the third Monday in January, this year. It fell on January 17th, the third Monday in January, last year. It will fall on January 15th, the third Monday in January, next year.
Religious Freedom Day falls on January 16th every year. |
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01/04/2006 12:57:24 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by fixedintime:
Originally posted by riolobo:
The web domain name Religious Freedom Day is registered to Gateways to Better Education who (at the top of their home page) state, "Gateways to Better Education's goal is to involve, equip, and support Christian adults (parents, teachers, administrators, and school board members) in America's 92,000 public schools so they can bring a Godly influence to their areas of activity. We envision public schools enriched by the academically legitimate and legally appropriate inclusion of Christian expression, thought, and values."
Doesn't sound very inclusive to me. |
Anyone can register a domain name. Better to go back to the actual presidential proclamations. Here is the one from Clinton in 1999.
//www.religiousfreedomday.com/proclamations/proc_clinton_1999.html
Sound rather inclusive to me. |
Try to follow the argument rather than trying to change it.
You are the one who posted links to religiousfreedomday.com. And you wrote an apologia for their brochure in response to emorgan49's post.
The religiousfreedomday site--again, the one you brought into this thread, not I--is owned by an exclusively Christian organization. In this light, one can more critically evaluate emorgan49's comments above. |
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01/04/2006 01:00:20 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Originally posted by sabphoto:
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Leave it a white man (the president) to try and turn Martin Luther King Day into a less black/more white holiday.
IF they need such a day, pick another day. |
leave it to you (also apparently white)....to not know that Martin Luther King Day is on the 3rd Monday of January (since 1983) NOT always the 16th. |
My calendar has it on the 16th. perhaps the calendar companies are wrong?
or perhaps this site wrong //www.holidays.net/mlk/
or this one //www.mlkday.gov/
Perhaps the King Center has it worng too? //www.thekingcenter.org/holiday/info.html
Or you? |
I know it's higher mathematics, but he's trying to explain that MLK b'day is on a different day each year (compare to 2005, or 2004), whilst Religious Freedom Day is on the same fixed day (the 16th) every year. He's also explaining (if you could please read the former posts), that Religious Freedom Day was established first, so it wasn't meant to ever coincide with the Reverend MLKs (note Reverend who would probably observe this day) Holiday. |
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01/04/2006 01:09:20 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by riolobo:
The religiousfreedomday site--again, the one you brought into this thread, not I--is owned by an exclusively Christian organization. In this light, one can more critically evaluate emorgan49's comments above. |
Perhaps you'll find the First Freedom Center just as informative and less sectarian. |
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01/04/2006 01:11:07 PM · #18 |
The only "freedom" that will be promoted is the freedom to proselytize without restriction.
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01/04/2006 01:19:37 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Leave it a white man (the president) to try and turn Martin Luther King Day into a less black/more white holiday.
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LOL. The white man is such a bastard isn't he? Creating religious holidays that occasionally conflict with joyful remembrance of a reverend. Rant! |
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01/04/2006 01:27:51 PM · #20 |
Just to clear the air......Martin Luther King day is on the calender as Jan. 16, but his actual birthday is Jan. 15. When they first started acknowledging it as a holiday, you would have off on the 15th, even if it fell on a wednesday. Of course they changed it now..........
I remember this, because my birthday is Jan. 15th too. I used to be so excited to get off from school that day!
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01/04/2006 01:35:56 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Leave it a white man (the president) to try and turn Martin Luther King Day into a less black/more white holiday.
IF they need such a day, pick another day. |
Ok, I'm not even touching this one! As a person of Native American heritage, I'm sure that my thoughts on the white man (yes, I am also white ....mixed-breed), would make me even less popular then I am now, LOL :) |
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01/04/2006 02:11:42 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by riolobo:
Originally posted by fixedintime:
Originally posted by riolobo:
The web domain name Religious Freedom Day is registered to Gateways to Better Education who (at the top of their home page) state, "Gateways to Better Education's goal is to involve, equip, and support Christian adults (parents, teachers, administrators, and school board members) in America's 92,000 public schools so they can bring a Godly influence to their areas of activity. We envision public schools enriched by the academically legitimate and legally appropriate inclusion of Christian expression, thought, and values."
Doesn't sound very inclusive to me. |
Anyone can register a domain name. Better to go back to the actual presidential proclamations. Here is the one from Clinton in 1999.
//www.religiousfreedomday.com/proclamations/proc_clinton_1999.html
Sound rather inclusive to me. |
Try to follow the argument rather than trying to change it.
You are the one who posted links to religiousfreedomday.com. And you wrote an apologia for their brochure in response to emorgan49's post.
The religiousfreedomday site--again, the one you brought into this thread, not I--is owned by an exclusively Christian organization. In this light, one can more critically evaluate emorgan49's comments above. |
Are you sure you got the person right?
So I referenced the proculmation that happen to be at that site because I didn't take the time to find it at whitehouse.gov where it is also likly archived. I don't see any crime there.
As for changeing the argument. I don't see where basing the discussion on a bit of data rather than emotion is all that bad. Pure and simple as many have pointed out the dates don't conflict. As I pointed out anyone can register and use a domain name. The fact that someone with a particular bent on the date has done so does not make the date a one sided christian affair. So refering to one site and making a conclusion about the nature of the date is not a valid arguement. Go to multible sites and see what they say. Or better yet go back to the source - the various presidental statments over the years that make it rather clear that all religions are to be included. |
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01/04/2006 03:17:47 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by nomad469:
The only "freedom" that will be promoted is the freedom to proselytize without restriction. |
if what you say is true then, at least they get to "proselytize" any religion they want.
However, it isn't for people to go out and "proselytize" others, it is for people to be able to enjoy their religion and maybe learn about others without certain restrictions. (We would all do good to understand someone elses religions) You still can't interrupt class studies for a sudden out loud prayer or things similar but you can at least have your Bible (or Koran, or whatever else) in your backpack and maybe place it on your desk without worring about someone going off. You can actually do a lot more at school than most think but they are afraid of the supposed legal issues.
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