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12/28/2005 11:08:16 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by Zippy:
It's too bad the deadline wasn't extended 24 hours since that would have given everyone a fair chance to get their entries in. |
The site wasn't DOWN for 24 extra hours...why on earth would it be extended that long? The deadline WAS extended for a few hours (maybe more, not sure of the exact time) so in all, the cumulative entry period was almost exactly the same as usual. Why can't people understand this?
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12/28/2005 11:14:45 AM · #52 |
I know this isn't a fun situation for a lot of people. I just wanted to clear up a few tiny misconceptions I noticed. First one being, SC members don't know what the next challenges are. Only D&L schedule them and we find out what they are at the same time you do.
Originally posted by livitup:
If you're going to hold them open longer, then hold them until the west coast of the US is awake.
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They weren't intentionally held open. The automated process to kick them over just didn't run, so Langdon ran it when he found out. He's actually on vacation this week without a regular internet connection so it's nice that he's been able to check in at all. |
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12/28/2005 11:49:27 AM · #53 |
Look at the bright side, for all those killer shots that you know would have ribboned, you can now enter them in the Smithsonian contest. ;P
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12/28/2005 11:52:06 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Look at the bright side, for all those killer shots that you know would have ribboned, you can now enter them in the Smithsonian contest. ;P |
Or the Best of 2005.
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12/28/2005 11:52:32 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by karmat:
Look at the bright side, for all those killer shots that you know would have ribboned, you can now enter them in the Smithsonian contest. ;P |
Or the Best of 2005. |
Shhh, that's a secret ;)
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12/28/2005 11:53:09 AM · #56 |
Got some pretty harsh voting going on this morning ... might be lucky you're safe.
Message edited by author 2005-12-28 11:53:37.
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12/28/2005 12:01:17 PM · #57 |
I went out to shoot and got an entry for Patterns, only to find the site down. I was up at 3:10 am when it came back, and i managed to get my entry in.
I should have gone to bed. I knew it wasn't gonna do well...why do i do that to myself?
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12/28/2005 12:03:49 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
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The site wasn't DOWN for 24 extra hours...why on earth would it be extended that long? The deadline WAS extended for a few hours (maybe more, not sure of the exact time) so in all, the cumulative entry period was almost exactly the same as usual. Why can't people understand this? |
I think the idea of the 24 hour extension (at least my idea when I posted in another thread) was that if there was a standard (and maybe the standard should be 12 hours, not 24 hours), people could go about their business and periodically check the site and post in a fashion that was fair to everyone.
Instead, what we have is: some people that got up early were lucky and got in, some people that slept in were not allowed to enter late, and in general, a chaotic start to a challenge that has some great entries.
Since it wasn't anticipated, in the same manner that all good legislation is drafted, now that the horse has left the barn, we should close the door, and develop a standard response.
And, per Laurie's earlier post, those of us left out should get on with life and start thinking about next week.
Best,
soccerdad |
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12/28/2005 12:06:03 PM · #59 |
| I decline to vote on any entries this week because of this. |
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12/28/2005 12:08:55 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by _eug:
I decline to vote on any entries this week because of this. |
That doesn't seem to be fair to those that did get in... Why penalize them? |
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12/28/2005 12:15:17 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by _eug:
I decline to vote on any entries this week because of this. |
That doesn't seem to be fair to those that did get in... Why penalize them? |
I'd prefer a non-voter over an angry voter myself... but, tempers will cool as the week progresses.
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12/28/2005 12:55:47 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by _eug:
I decline to vote on any entries this week because of this. |
That doesn't seem to be fair to those that did get in... Why penalize them? |
Why penalize a person that spends 5 hours trying to submit their entry, who gives up an hour before the site comes back up only to get up after 6 hours of sleep to find out that they're SOL?
People have put time, effort and in some cases money into a submission only to be told, "We had a problem. Tough luck."
Forgive me if, I seem bitter. I am. |
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12/28/2005 01:00:32 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by _eug:
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by _eug:
I decline to vote on any entries this week because of this. |
That doesn't seem to be fair to those that did get in... Why penalize them? |
Why penalize a person that spends 5 hours trying to submit their entry, who gives up an hour before the site comes back up only to get up after 6 hours of sleep to find out that they're SOL?
People have put time, effort and in some cases money into a submission only to be told, "We had a problem. Tough luck."
Forgive me if, I seem bitter. I am. |
Is DPC all you shoot for? If your picture is as strong as you feel about it use it in the Best of 2005 challenge coming up in about a week, or better yet, try finding some way of using it outside of DPC. There are hundreds of other contests out there. Some of them even give real ribbons and pay real money.
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12/28/2005 01:01:07 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by _eug:
Why penalize a person that spends 5 hours trying to submit their entry, who gives up an hour before the site comes back up only to get up after 6 hours of sleep to find out that they're SOL?
People have put time, effort and in some cases money into a submission only to be told, "We had a problem. Tough luck."
Forgive me if, I seem bitter. I am. |
Ever hear the expression s**t happens? Well it happened to a small handful of people that waited till the last minute to submit. If you waited till the last minute... tough. Don't take it out on the people who had the foresight to submit during the previous 165 hours of the submission period... |
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12/28/2005 01:16:04 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by _eug:
Why penalize a person that spends 5 hours trying to submit their entry, who gives up an hour before the site comes back up only to get up after 6 hours of sleep to find out that they're SOL?
People have put time, effort and in some cases money into a submission only to be told, "We had a problem. Tough luck."
Forgive me if, I seem bitter. I am. |
Ever hear the expression s**t happens? Well it happened to a small handful of people that waited till the last minute to submit. If you waited till the last minute... tough. Don't take it out on the people who had the foresight to submit during the previous 165 hours of the submission period... |
I guess if _eug doesn't want to vote thats fine, I too was one of those that lost out I tryed to put my entry in around 9PM eastern time, I didn't feel it was last minute. Its kinda like calling a store across town that has a part you need right now, getting to the store and finding they closed 3 hours early. It ticks ya off! But the big thing is how is this gunna prevented from happining in the future? |
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12/28/2005 01:24:15 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by MQuinn:
Its kinda like calling a store across town that has a part you need right now, getting to the store and finding they closed 3 hours early. It ticks ya off! But the big thing is how is this gunna prevented from happining in the future? |
Well if the store closed early because the clerk had to get ready for a date or didn't want to miss the ball game then I would be pissed too. But if the building next door was on fire or the power grid shut down and they had to close I don't see how getting pissed off would solve anything. I don't think anyone crashed the site on purpose.
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12/28/2005 07:32:05 PM · #67 |
| I guess the gremlins struck again? Enough Oops already! |
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12/28/2005 08:31:53 PM · #68 |
You know, the one thing that really strikes me about this is the cavalier "you got screwed, so sorry, why are you whining, get on with your life" attitude that some people seem to have.
I love this site. It has propelled me to try. It is the catalyst for my inner artist, that previously I haven't had an outlet for.
My brother in law was staying over with us on Tuesday night and when I explained to him that I was going to:
*Build a fake tile floor, using real ceramic tiles
*Cook a spaghetti dinner
*Put the spaghetti on plates I bought for this specific purpose
*Drop the plates from 5 feet above the "floor"
*Repeat with wine glasses and wine
All for a photo, he asked "do you get anything if you win?" I replied "the respect of my peers, which is very important to me."
Now, I know about the variances of the Internet. I have multiple Internet connections. I have multiple computers. I back up image files automatically as soon as they hit my hard drive. I think I exercised enough due diligence to make sure that I don't get attacked by any of those gremlins.
Then the site by which I connect to those peers, whose opinion I do value so much, is unavailable. I patiently click refresh every few minutes for over 3 hours. I fire up my back up Internet connections and computers to make sure it's not me. Yeah. That sucks.
Then the site comes back, and the decision is made to manually roll the challenges, assumedly when the Admin 'notices they didn't roll automatically.' How they didn't notice that when they just brought the site back from a 6 hour outage is beyond me. Never the less, they manually roll them, when even the SC is apparently discussing how to proceed with this situation.
I can deal with that. It sucks, but I can, and will get over that. But when I turn to those peers, whose opinion and respect I value so much, and express how much I am upset that I didn't get the chance to submit a photo that I feel might be one of my personal best, instead of "yeah, that sucks," I get "It sure sucks to be you. Get over it."
That stings. A lot.
I think the members of this site have let me down more than the site itself has. A simple, "Sorry that happened to you," would have helped. A lot.
Nsbca, what if the New York City gallery that was going to display your work shut down before you could hang it, because all of the light bulbs in the place burned out, and they couldn't replace them before the stated closing time? Wouldn't you want them to reschedule? Would you start wandering the streets of NYC looking for another gallery to hang your work in? To answer your questions, Yes, DPC is the only thing I shoot for. I don't think my photo would do well in a "best of" challenge, because that's going to end up as a free study, and my image is very situational.
I'm glad you got your photo in before all the madness. I wish you success in this challenge. I'm not inspired by any of the current open challenges, like I was with Oops, so I don't think I'm going to enter. Maybe I'll go take some photos of cockroaches or something, because that's how I feel right now.
Yes, this site is that important to me.
Message edited by author 2005-12-28 20:32:33. |
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12/28/2005 08:40:12 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by livitup:
How they didn't notice that when they just brought the site back from a 6 hour outage is beyond me. |
"They" didn't bring the site back. It was down for reasons completely out of "their" control.
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12/28/2005 08:45:52 PM · #70 |
liveitup, I think the response you got was probably by the way you presented your feelings about the situation.
"I'm really pissed about this"
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"Thanks for nothing DPC"
seem like harsh words that people might not have wanted to respond politely to.
You stated that it's the way people responded that upset you, and maybe it's the other way around as well.
Had you said 'I'm really bummed that I didn't get to submit and it saddens me that nothing could be done about it'.
Then maybe you would have gotten the 'Really sorry you didn't get to submit, join the rest of us who are equally as upset' response you were after.
On that note, I AM sorry that people didn't get to submit. You're not alone. Many people, including Site Council were unable to get their entries in. It's a situation that no one was expecting and at a point where there was no one around to deal with it. Drew and Langdon have both been away enjoying (well deserved) time off with their families and loved ones.
I hope everyone had a great holiday, whatever your holiday of choice may be, and wish everyone the best in the new year.
~Heather~ |
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12/28/2005 08:47:21 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
Originally posted by livitup:
How they didn't notice that when they just brought the site back from a 6 hour outage is beyond me. |
"They" didn't bring the site back. It was down for reasons completely out of "their" control. |
It was down because the hard drive failed. Someone noticed that, replaced the drive, probably did some kind of restoration from a back up or something, and then the site was back up.
Having worked in the website hosting industry, I highly doubt that was done without some kind of intervention from a site owner, administrator, or technical contact. The guy sitting in a NOC wouldn't do that on their own. Someone, with knowledge of the site and how it works, brought it back.
I understand it was an accidental failure that caused the site to go down. I'm not miffed that the site was down. I'm miffed about the way the aftermath was handled, and people's generally rude attitutes to those of us who are sad about it. |
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12/28/2005 08:56:01 PM · #72 |
So you want an apology from the other users who were in the same boat as you?
I'm not quite sure I understand what you are looking for. I understand you put a lot of work into your entry - so did a lot of people.
It seems like the way YOU are handling things is from a very self centered point of view as opposed to actually being a part of the community of people that were inconvenienced by the outage.
Put the shot in your portfolio and ask for people to take a look, you'll probably gett better comments and more discussion on it that way anyway. |
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12/28/2005 08:56:54 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
liveitup, I think the response you got was probably by the way you presented your feelings about the situation.
"I'm really pissed about this"
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"Thanks for nothing DPC"
seem like harsh words that people might not have wanted to respond politely to.
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You know Heather, that's very fair.
I can only attempt to justify those comments as an unchecked, early morning, extremely emotional, initial reaction. I'm a bit over that now, and I wouldn't make those statements tonight. They were, however, how I felt this morning.
I think I'm going to shut up about this topic for now. I think I've made it clear how I feel, and I think I'm better off channeling my energy towards something else.
I do seriously hope that a policy will be set to handle this problem in the future. Whatever that policy is, I don't care, but at least I'll know that I should sit up and click refresh every 2 minutes, or every hour, or that I'll be safe until morning, or... whatever. |
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12/28/2005 08:59:14 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by megatherian:
So you want an apology from the other users who were in the same boat as you?
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No, I wanted a shoulder to cry on. That's it. Someone to say "there, there... I feel your pain."
That's it.
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12/28/2005 09:03:17 PM · #75 |
We feel your pain. Or I would if I had an entry. If I had a camera. :(
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