Can someone 'splain this to me??

Sigma 30mm f/1.4 EX DC HSM for Nikon

11/18/2005 08:45:46 AM · #26

Originally posted by banmorn:

Bill Houghton ('Will') and Amy Anderson's ('A Baby's Slumber') images have been on other sites....most of the sites are protected but not all. I had heard of this site in the past as POTD site but never entered anything. I will contact Bill to see if he knows anything about it and get back to you.

Thank you, Rob.

ShaneBlake

Nikon D7100

11/18/2005 10:27:05 AM · #27

just to help out, i voted it an 'excellent'

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

11/18/2005 11:04:11 AM · #28

Whoo hoo! I'm kicking butt! lol Shame I didn't actually enter that contest! :P

Telehubbie

Canon EOS-40D

11/18/2005 11:39:33 AM · #29

I don't know if you notice, but they're offering it for print on Shutterfly, only wallet size because of the 640 size. Credit or not, who gets the proceeds from that? Click the Shutterfly link above the photo. Congrats on the unintentional first place though!

troberge

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

11/18/2005 11:57:49 AM · #30

oh good call tele, Cindi, they are selling your print. You should get in contact with them. How do they get away with that?

coolhar

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

11/18/2005 11:59:51 AM · #31

Originally posted by Telehubbie:

Ahh... now there's the rub!

Let me see if I got this straight -- one of their webmasters, Sonja, takes images from dpc (and presumeably other photo sites), puts them into a weekly contest, and sells prints of them thru shutterfly? All without permission from the photographer who owns them?

I would expect shutterfly to end that practice if they were aware of it. But then Somja will probably just find another printer.

troberge

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

11/18/2005 12:03:27 PM · #32

And because the photo that she took had a lower resolution, the prints that people get will not be very good quality, which doesn't reflect on sonya, it reflects on the photographer.

Canon EOS-20D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

11/18/2005 12:04:00 PM · #33

I seem to recall that selling prints through Shutterfly is a function of the gallery software that they are using. I'm guessing that whoever set it up just didn't turn off this function. Which isn't to say it's okay, but I bet that's why that feature is there, rather than an intent to profit off others' photos.

alfresco

Nikon D700

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

11/18/2005 12:12:29 PM · #34

Gave idnic's stolen photo an excellent, just 'cause.

They are Englanders, you may want to have a chat with your barrister. :)

(Actually I just like saying "barrister", we get so little call to do so in these parts.)

11/18/2005 12:15:51 PM · #35

Ack, I didn't notice the shutterfly link until you pointed it out. I will send an email to Sonja telling her that the use of the image is not authorized and could she remove it immediately. I'll also mention copyright laws and ask what her site readership is.

(heheee, shot isn't copyrighted, but I didn't actually say it was :P)

Could be an ugly lawsuit if I'd get off my duff and apply for copyrights. :)

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

11/18/2005 12:17:02 PM · #36

Btw... I checked the image size on the other 2 sites that hold this image. It was definitely taken from here, the other images sizes are different.

alfresco

Nikon D700

11/18/2005 12:19:00 PM · #37

Originally posted by idnic:

The copyright is inherent in the work itself, unless done for another.

Strikeslip

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

11/18/2005 12:21:52 PM · #38

Originally posted by idnic:

Btw... I checked the image size on the other 2 sites that hold this image. It was definitely taken from here, the other images sizes are different.

I wonder if Sonja would like my Projectile White photo, or any of my other fine work to sell. ;-)

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

11/18/2005 12:24:26 PM · #39

Hahaha! Who posted a comment on the stolen image? Love it!! :P

kearock

Nikon D90

11/18/2005 12:24:35 PM · #40

Originally posted by mk:

The gallery software has an option where you can allow printing through 5 different companies, Shutterfly included. However, I'm not sure it allows for 'selling', as in a DPCPrints sense. I think that function just uploads the file to shutterfly so you can have it printed at shutterfly's normal prices (i.e. shutterfly is the only one profiting). I think the idea is so that if your using your gallery site for family photos you can allow relatives to order themselves prints or something. I haven't activated it on my own gallery site, but that's the understanding I get from my boyfriend/webmaster.

Regardless, Sonja or whoever this is shouldn't just be pulling people's photos off DPC for use on her own site, even if she is giving credit...

Message edited by author 2005-11-18 12:25:00.

coolhar

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

11/18/2005 12:38:03 PM · #41

Originally posted by mk:

I think there is an intent to profit from another person's work merely in posting other people's photos on that site, with or without the sale of prints thru shutterfly. Very hard for me to dismiss that as an innocent mistake even if the link to shutterfly is. And that's a big if to my way of thinking. Receiving income for the print sales from shutterfly should have alerted them to that mistake, assuming some sales.

After reading kearock's post: Even if that site is not making any money off the sale of prints, just letting them go for shutterfly's base price, it's still not there business to decide where and for how much idnic's shot sells. She may be trying to sell it for more, perhaps at DPCPrints.

Message edited by author 2005-11-18 12:45:23.

banmorn

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

11/18/2005 12:49:37 PM · #42

I got a response from Bill:

Thanks for writing Robert. I know nothing about this site, and I don't know
how my image 'Will' got there. I am certainly going to try to find out though.
I appreciate you bringing this to my attention. If someone is ripping off my
photos, I want to find out about it.

Well better tell Amy as well! Let me know if you hear anything back from them. I have another source who might know something...I will check with her.

robs

Canon EOS R6 Mk II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/18/2005 12:50:44 PM · #43

I the site allows printing, try to see how long & how many prints.

Send them an invoice based on this number and the use on a web-site. Obviously the fee will be partly based on the illegal use of the image.

11/18/2005 12:51:07 PM · #44

I just sent a scathing email to Sonja. We'll see if she responds. I demanded the image be removed immediately.

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

11/18/2005 12:51:56 PM · #45

Originally posted by robs:

I threatened as much in my email. Also told her she needed to send me a report of sales (if any) of my image.

notonline

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

11/18/2005 01:07:20 PM · #46

(1) Lily of the Nile by Cindi Penrod - 35 voters (173)
(2) Will by Bill Houghton - 11 voters (43)
(3) A Baby's Slumber by Amy Anderson - 14 voters (42)
(4) Beach_Sunset by Dave K, Taken just past Girdwood - 7 voters (29)
(5) The Europa sailing in at the mouth of the Tyne. Picture: Michael Thompson - 7 voters (14)

Go idnic. Let the DPCer's school that site and show them who'd BOSS. Spam it large.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

11/18/2005 01:16:28 PM · #47

We be kicking butt, Kevin! Leave comments too! Tell em to bite me! :P

banmorn

Nikon D750

11/18/2005 01:18:24 PM · #48

I heard back from Amy. She knows nothing about it either.