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 11/15/2005 12:03:39 PM · #26
Originally posted by DanSig:
Originally posted by superdave_909:
Originally posted by bear_music:
Bear in mind that with your 70-200mm lens, you have effectively a 320mm lens on the 300D or the 20D. If you go to a 5D, you have chopped that down to 200mm, so assuming you use the full zoom with any regularity you are going to need to buy a 300mm lens if you get the 5D. In other words, get the 20D and buy the 10-22mm, or get the 5D and buy the 300mm.

So you'll save a LOT of money by buying the 20D. Obsolete certainly isn't an issue IMO; the 20D is a good enough camera to be useable for a long, long time. It would take a quantum leap of some sort to make it obsolete, and the 5D certainly isn't that. Whatever obsoletes the 20D, will obsolete the 5D as well.

Robt.


IMHO, I have to agree with bear, he just makes sense!


there is a cheaper way, he could get the Canon 1.4x II for the 200mm to keep close to 300mm on the 5D
that way he would have the wide angle covered with his 17-40 and the long end covered with his 70-200 and 1.4X

Or he could crop the picture to simulate digital zoom.

The pixel spacing is about the same as the 1D mark II, so you could use the central 8MP from the 5D to give a 1.3x crop factor.

If you use only the pixels that fit into an APS-C sensor you should get about 5.9 megapixels (if I've done the math correctly.)

Message edited by author 2005-11-15 12:04:56.
 11/16/2005 07:32:07 PM · #27
well I bought the 5D a little early.. it's well worth the $5k I paid... and the 70-200L IS works great with the 1.4X... so 5D is the way to go.....
 11/17/2005 11:06:07 AM · #28
I don't know...

A large amount of his photography is going to be in underground construction environments. I think the 1.3x crop 1D MKII is a better choice.

And just go with the 15mm f/2.8 prime and the 50mm f/1.8 prime.

Message edited by author 2005-11-17 11:06:17.
 11/17/2005 11:08:23 AM · #29
Originally posted by deapee:
I'd get a d200, a Nikkor 10.5mm and be done with it ;-)...spend the rest on lighting so you don't need to use that high of ISO.


I was going to suggest the same thing ;).
 11/17/2005 07:13:42 PM · #30
leaning towards theSaj's idea now... i just wish Canon went the extra couple of yards and made the 5D weather sealed.
 11/17/2005 07:23:51 PM · #31
Hi I have a 20D and just upgraded to a 5D. I have the 10-22 and also a 16-35mm. The 10-22m at 10mm is quite soft compared to the 5D and 16-35mm at 16mm. I would go for the 5D with a 17-40L if I was buying again as I dont see the value in the one stop of light (with the 16-35mm f 2.8) with digital. Just my 2 cents worth!
Cheers John
 11/17/2005 07:51:37 PM · #32
Is the 5D really worth the extra money? It seems like the only major advantages are full frame, 1/3stops for ISO control, and higher resolution.

I've held it and "test fired" it and let's just say it took my girlfriend about 45 minutes to get me out of that camera store. But I'm just wondering if it's cost effective. Will someone like me notice the difference? I'm an engineer, not an artist like most of you...although I wish I could be both.
 11/17/2005 10:15:44 PM · #33
From the standpoint of pure photographic performance, the 5D pretty much exactly matches your needs... but I too would be concerned hauling around a $3300 body in the places you need to photograph. The low-light performance of the 5D is outstanding, but the 20D is really not far behind. The 5D's resolution is closer to the 1DsMkII than the 20D, but MUST you have that high of resolution? The 1DMkII is more expensive than the 5D(unless you can find a non-N version, not likely) and although it's weather sealed, you're still putting a very expensive body at risk. I'd say, buy the 20D and wider glass... unless, like me, you succumb to the siren song of full frame. It is very nice indeed!
 11/17/2005 10:18:04 PM · #34
Originally posted by kirbic:
From the standpoint of pure photographic performance, the 5D pretty much exactly matches your needs... but I too would be concerned hauling around a $3300 body in the places you need to photograph. The low-light performance of the 5D is outstanding, but the 20D is really not far behind. The 5D's resolution is closer to the 1DsMkII than the 20D, but MUST you have that high of resolution? The 1DMkII is more expensive than the 5D(unless you can find a non-N version, not likely) and although it's weather sealed, you're still putting a very expensive body at risk. I'd say, buy the 20D and wider glass... unless, like me, you succumb to the siren song of full frame. It is very nice indeed!


There are tons of used 1D Mark II on FM right now. $2800-$3100.
 11/17/2005 10:21:30 PM · #35
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:

There are tons of used 1D Mark II on FM right now. $2800-$3100.


True dat, I was thinking new. Prolly very difficult to find a brand new non-N model now. But used is a good option.
 11/17/2005 10:22:27 PM · #36
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:

There are tons of used 1D Mark II on FM right now. $2800-$3100.


True dat, I was thinking new. Prolly very difficult to find a brand new non-N model now. But used is a good option.


Yeah, not sure If I'd by the old model new or not. The big screen on the N might be nice.
 11/17/2005 10:23:36 PM · #37
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:

Yeah, not sure If I'd by the old model new or not. The big screen on the N might be nice.


Yeah, the 1DII is a pretty shabby camera all round - who'd want one of those these days ? ;)
 11/18/2005 11:15:13 AM · #38
out of curiosity, why do yo want to drop $4,000. Do you have any of your work published?

For that kind of money, I would be looking at ways of making my photographs pay for the camera.

buy something around $1500 spend another $800 on lens(s). I would sell your old 300D before it isn't worth anything and put that towards a new body.
 11/18/2005 11:19:40 AM · #39
You're doing it more from an engineering perspective of documentation correct? archival and print purposes I presume?
 11/18/2005 12:30:28 PM · #40
Well part of it is documentation. I'm not an inspector and do not spend all day, every day underground. But I do like to visit our projects from time to time to track the progress. The other reason is I like to look at underground construction in general as an art...and the best way to do that I feel is to try photograph it creatively.

I've had several photographs published in industry magazines. My favorite is this one.



In this shot, you are looking upstream inside what is now a sewer pipe, 100-ft below downtown Los Angeles. To the left you see the front of a tunnel boring machine from one construction contract as it "daylighted" into a work shaft. To the right, you see the nearly complete "drop structure" that diverts flow from older sewers just below the street to this deep "interceptor sewer" (equivalent to a freeway for sewage). If you were currently standing where I was standing when I took that shot, you would have a torrent 8-ft deep river of sewage flowing at you. The drop structure is the equivalent to a 90-ft waterfall of sewage.

11/19/2005 07:34:50 PM · #41
OK.... So I bought the 20D and EFS 10-22. Got it for $1,973 from buydig.com (one of my favorite sites) with next day standard air. Not bad.... plus the $100 rebate on top of that.

There were too many reasons that the 5D was not for me. I'll wait a few years and maybe upgrade to the future equiavlent to the 1Ds if I ever get any better. In the meantime, I think I'll put the extra cash towards a new Mac notebook in January when the new line comes out.

Thanks for all your suggestions. You guys helped tremendously.

-Mike
 12/11/2005 10:31:33 PM · #42
Ok.... so I probably shouldn't be using my 20D at work too much. But I love the combination of ISO 1600 and the EFS 10-22 lens. The noise is much lower than my rebel. And the 10-22 is a must have for construction photography with a 1.6 crop camera.

Here are some shots from the Gold Line extension project in the Boyle Heights neighborhood Los Angeles.



That's the front section of one of the two tunnel boring machines that will be used to excavate the tunnels. Each machine will be approximately 300-ft long once assembled.
 12/11/2005 10:59:03 PM · #43
Buy the Peleng 8mm F3.5 on ebay for $220. Send me $3,000, and still save $800.
 12/11/2005 11:30:46 PM · #44
Originally posted by louddog:
Buy the Peleng 8mm F3.5 on ebay for $220. Send me $3,000, and still save $800.

hes obviously wrong here. the correct thing to do is buy the peleng for 220, send me 3000, and save 780. haha
 12/12/2005 12:18:22 AM · #45
ummm....ok. sure i'll send you some money. go sit by your mailbox and wait for it.

in case you didn't read the latest threads, i bought the 20D and 10-22 instead of the 5D... and I'm very happy with my decision.
 12/12/2005 02:16:09 AM · #46
Congrats on the new camera and lens!
Great to hear about the lower noise. In the spring i;l be getting a 20D or the replacement - depends on business and the new features. you can upgrade and i'll help you dispose of your 20D ;)

From what i've seen the 5D make nice images. Canon's latest pro advertsiing packet ignores the 20D completely...it focuses (no pun there, huh) on the 1D and 5D models.

It did point out one item i did not know Canon had - i have heard nothing about it anywhere - WFT-E1.
Works on the 1D and 5D and the 20D with a firmware upgrade. If you have to ask the price...
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