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01/10/2003 02:39:14 AM · #1 |
I'd like to see a new image size rule, that only limits the actual file size. Or else, I'd like to see an increase in the maximum resolution from 640 to something like 800 or so. My reasoning in this is that people that enter wide photos end up with something a lot smaller than people that enter a normal aspect photo, and I don't think they should be unintentionally penalized this way. That, and my current photo submission for the landscape challenge is wider than normal ;)
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01/10/2003 04:12:21 AM · #2 |
Keep in mind that many people still browse at 800x600, and at that resolution an image that is 640 pixels high already will not fit on the screen. Even at 1024x768, there is little or no room to spare once one figures in the space taken by the browser title bar and top menus. To allow larger photographs would mean having users vote on photographs they cannot fit on their screens.
-Terry
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01/10/2003 09:50:45 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Keep in mind that many people still browse at 800x600, and at that resolution an image that is 640 pixels high already will not fit on the screen. Even at 1024x768, there is little or no room to spare once one figures in the space taken by the browser title bar and top menus. To allow larger photographs would mean having users vote on photographs they cannot fit on their screens.
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Actually, you want to keep in mind that many people browse at 640x480 never mind anything larger than that...
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01/10/2003 09:51:46 AM · #4 |
| I guess I'm so used to browsing at 1024x768. Anything below that looks big and ugly, and I'm using a 15" monitor! :) |
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01/10/2003 10:07:07 AM · #5 |
Actually, you want to keep in mind that many people browse at 640x480 never mind anything larger than that...[/quote]
Does that mean that if you want to submitt a square photo it should be held to 480 on a side? Would this make it easier to view. |
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01/10/2003 10:16:57 AM · #6 |
Actually, after a little poking it seems I'm woefully out of date.
The majority of browsers are these days on screens at 800x600 but the average viewable area is 780x600 due to all the buttons and widgets etc,
so if your picture is greater than 600 pixels high the mythical 'average viewer' is going to have to scroll to see your picture - not the best way to approach it.
(Stats are something like 7% at 640x480, 90% at 800x600, the rest at higher resolutions)
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01/10/2003 10:24:28 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Actually, you want to keep in mind that many people browse at 640x480 never mind anything larger than that... |
This is certainly dependent on your definition of 'many', but otherwise I'd say it's largely just not true. I'd say a web developers greatest challenge is dealing with the fact that his audience will have an unknown combination of resolution, browser, browser version, operating system, and plugins. The designer must come to a compromise in how much he'll sacrafice to appease older browsers, smaller (or larger) resolutions, etc. I know that numbers of people on 640x480 are very small and overall declining. I just went and did a search to see what I could find.
Browser News -- Reports ~2.5%
w3schools -- Reports 2%
As it pertains to the site, Clubjuggle basically hits it on the head. It's also slightly related to the fact that a decent sized population of this site has 0.3 MP cameras, though I don't have any statistics on that off hand ;)
Drew
(edit: Sorry, Gordon... didn't see you were already researching/replying to yourself. Had my reply window open.)
Message edited by author 2003-01-10 10:25:20. |
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01/10/2003 10:56:51 AM · #8 |
| Folks, do not forget the more important connectivity consideration. Many users still likely use dial-up and large files sizes will stress the download times as well as the user's patience. |
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01/10/2003 11:02:29 AM · #9 |
| We just changed size and border restrictions a couple of weeks ago, based on extensive feedback from site members. How about we try it out for a while (and let them finish coding the rest of the site) before we go messing around with this? |
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01/10/2003 11:36:37 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by Morgan:
Folks, do not forget the more important connectivity consideration. Many users still likely use dial-up and large files sizes will stress the download times as well as the user's patience. |
Hey Morgon,
The new site definitely takes into account 56k users. Our thumbnails (and I believe images) are run through a lossless compression algorithm using jpegtran. I know our thumbnails are now about 1-3k apiece, where before we had some even up as high as 30k. I was on dialup over the holidays, and I was very happy with how the site performed on dialup. But yes, we've stuck to our 150k limit, as we feel that this is more than enough quality for this size image.
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01/10/2003 01:19:06 PM · #11 |
I'd vote for leaving things the way they are.
First, it allows people with lower res cameras to compete more equally. (Though a pic from a modern high end camera will still look better at 640.)
Second, while I browse at high resolutions, I like to be able to see the entire photo while I am commenting.
Rather than change the rules to fit a picture, take a picture to fit the rules. There are plenty of things I do, that just won't fit into a challenge. Good news is that not everything I do has to. This is a challenge site. I do enjoy the challenge of meeting the challenge. (I'd enjoy it even more if I really did well on a consistent basis, but hopefully that time will come.)
-alex...
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01/10/2003 01:22:35 PM · #12 |
| One thing I noticed when I was preparing the image size for my latest entry was: IE was automatically changing the image so it fit on the screen instead of letting the user scroll. That had a very bad effect on the look of the image, creating distortions. |
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