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Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

11/12/2005 07:59:39 PM · #1

If I shoot in raw and then edit in raw for exposure, sharpen etc...then save it to JPG...will that copy be legal for use as the "original" image?

Thanks,

KS

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

11/12/2005 08:01:28 PM · #2

The RAW file is the original.

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

11/12/2005 08:04:31 PM · #3

The RAW file is your original (unedited) and that would be the one you would have to send to the SC if required. However I do remember there was a thread talking about shooting in RAW+Jpg that you could send the jpg as your original even if you worked with the RAW file. The reason for that is the jpg file is smaller and quicker to send. You may want to contact a SC Member about that.

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

11/12/2005 08:10:40 PM · #4

Yes but you can do some editing on that Raw file. After editing your raw file, can you still use it as your original?

Example:
I take a shot with wrong light balance but shot is perfect for a challenge. I open the raw file and convert to the correct LB. I save that file as jpg and use it as the original for challenges. I copy that jpg with the correct WB and edit it further for the challenge entry. Is this legal is an original?

KSkid

Originally posted by SDW65:

sir_bazz

Pentax K-5

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

11/12/2005 08:25:34 PM · #5

In your example the RAW is still your original.

You would list your steps, (ie. corrected WB), in your workflow.
As the jpg has been post processed in it's conversion from RAW it is no longer the original.

Original implies straight out of the camera.

Well thats my take on it anyway.

bazz.

Message edited by author 2005-11-12 20:25:54.

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

11/12/2005 08:45:43 PM · #6

My take on this is on this. Please keep in mind I have to use RawShooter to convert my raw files.

1. I make a copy of my original RAW file keeping the Original for Verification purposes.
2. Use the copy to process and save it as TIFF.
3. Work with the TIFF file in PS until I have the desired outcome.
4. Save the TIFF for future editing if required.
5. Convert one TIFF at Original size for print.
6. Resize one TIFF to 640X @ 150 for my entry.

If SC ask for the original I send them the original. That way the EXIF is not edited in any way.

Message edited by author 2005-11-12 20:47:18.

Canon RF 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1 L IS USM

11/12/2005 08:47:10 PM · #7

Thanks...

What is the advantage of a .tif entry as opposed to jpg?

KS

Originally posted by SDW65:

My take on this is on this. Please keep in mind I have to use RawShooter to convert my raw files.

1. I make a copy of my original RAW file keeping the Original for Verification purposes.
2. Use the copy to process and save it as TIFF.
3. Work with the TIFF file in PS until I have the desired outcome.
4. Save the TIFF for future editing if required.
5. Save one TIFF at Original size for print.
6. Resize one TIFF to 640X @ 150 for my entry.

If SC ask for the original I send them the original. That way the EXIF is not edited in any way.

cloudsme

Canon EOS R5

11/12/2005 08:48:10 PM · #8

My Raw files are almost 13MB in size. I have never been able to upload them. I have had to convert my Raw files to JPG using the original camera settings and have sent that. They have so far accepted those files as originals.

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

11/12/2005 08:48:51 PM · #9

Originally posted by kenskid:

Thanks...

What is the advantage of a .tif entry as opposed to jpg?

KS

Originally posted by SDW65:
My take on this is on this. Please keep in mind I have to use RawShooter to convert my raw files.

1. I make a copy of my original RAW file keeping the Original for Verification purposes.
2. Use the copy to process and save it as TIFF.
3. Work with the TIFF file in PS until I have the desired outcome.
4. Save the TIFF for future editing if required.
5. Save one TIFF at Original size for print.
6. Resize one TIFF to 640X @ 150 for my entry.

If SC ask for the original I send them the original. That way the EXIF is not edited in any way.

16/12 bit vs. 8 bit. TIFF is looseless while in the JPG mode everytime you save the file you loose data.

11/12/2005 08:51:39 PM · #10

So should I work in tif? I currently work in the psd format in Photoshop. As a final save before entering, I will change it to jpg.

KS

Originally posted by SDW65:

Originally posted by kenskid:
Thanks...

What is the advantage of a .tif entry as opposed to jpg?

KS

Originally posted by SDW65:
My take on this is on this. Please keep in mind I have to use RawShooter to convert my raw files.

1. I make a copy of my original RAW file keeping the Original for Verification purposes.
2. Use the copy to process and save it as TIFF.
3. Work with the TIFF file in PS until I have the desired outcome.
4. Save the TIFF for future editing if required.
5. Save one TIFF at Original size for print.
6. Resize one TIFF to 640X @ 150 for my entry.

If SC ask for the original I send them the original. That way the EXIF is not edited in any way.

16/12 bit vs. 8 bit. TIFF is looseless while in the JPG mode everytime you save the file you loose data.

alanfreed

Nikon Z9

11/12/2005 09:27:47 PM · #11

Just to chime in as a Site Council member... yes, you must submit the original RAW file if you shoot your submission in RAW. Otherwise, we have no way of verifying the editing.

Thanks!

scalvert

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/12/2005 09:30:48 PM · #12

Originally posted by kenskid:

So should I work in tif?

I'd keep it in .PSD to maintain any layers you may have. A TIFF file is just a big, uncompressed JPEG.

Mary Ann Melton

Sigma 300-800mm f/5.6 EX APO IF HSM for Canon

11/12/2005 10:05:39 PM · #13

On the Shutter Speed Challenge - I was asked for validation. They did NOT accept my jpg - but they did accept my RAW image - and it loaded faster than I expected for such large file.

01/30/2006 01:00:40 PM · #14

I took some shots today in Raw format with a view to trying the system out.
The first problem I encountered was how to store the original. I work with PSP8 which doesn`t recognise RAW files and while I can view, alter & convert the Raw images with Rawshooter, it doesn`t store the original raw file anywhere...at least not that I can see.
Until I can find the answer, I can`t shoot in Raw for challenges.
I`m a bit of a technophobe so it`s quite possible that I am missing something obvious.
Any help would be appreciated.

scalvert

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/30/2006 01:05:43 PM · #15

Originally posted by geewhy:

I can view, alter & convert the Raw images with Rawshooter, it doesn`t store the original raw file anywhere...at least not that I can see.

Where is the file you're opening in order to view, alter & convert? It's stored somewhere- just save a copy of that like you would for any other file. You don't need to open it to copy and/or store it.

Mr_Pants

SiPix Blink

01/30/2006 01:12:18 PM · #16

Originally posted by geewhy:

Don't forget that the RAW processing program only reads the RAW file, it does not actually edit the file itself. Once it has read the data from the RAW file, it processes that data and generates a separate jpeg file without writing over the original RAW. I find that one of the great advantages of always shooting RAW is that you run no risk of overwriting your original file. Therefore, you need to make no copies of the RAW files for validation purposes, only for data backup purposes, which is, obviously, good practice.

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

01/30/2006 01:33:53 PM · #17

Shannon and Allan,
Thanks for the feedback.
After I posted, I tried using Digital Photo professional which I noticed gave me the option of copying the Raw file (couldn`t find this option in Rawshooter) ..it`s probably blindingly obvious, but as I mentioned earlier, I`m absolutely useless !
Thanks again.

Gordon

Makka

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

01/30/2006 01:34:30 PM · #18

Originally posted by geewhy:

To the best of my knowledge I didn't think Rawshooter altered the orginal RAW file in any way. It has a directory in your folder with the RAW file called .RW Settings where it saves information for each individual photo.

scalvert

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/30/2006 01:38:03 PM · #19

You shouldn't need software to copy the RAW file. Just duplicate or move it to wherever you want right from the desktop.

01/30/2006 01:52:19 PM · #20

Originally posted by Makka:

I probably misled you Neil with the way I described the problem.
but I`ve searched for the folder you mentioned and found it..thanks for that.