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11/08/2005 10:19:44 AM · #51 |
how about a live horse ???
Originally posted by laurielblack:
Where's that damned dead horse smiley when I need it??? |
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11/08/2005 10:31:07 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
There are maybe ten or more members (that come to mind) who's words carry a real punch. |
Fair enough, which is why we don't allow specific discussions which would single out individual entries. I don't see anything wrong with a thread that says there are some good entries or interesting techniques in a challenge (regardless of who makes the statement) because it's so vague. There are good entries and interesting techniques in just about EVERY challenge, and there is no claim that certain techniques are any better than other images without them. |
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11/08/2005 10:42:01 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
...Suicide whether it bothers you or not, is a very real part of life and should be dealt with for it exists and can most certainly be dealt with artistically. |
There's a difference between dealing with something artistically and glorifying it...personally I don't think it's art.
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Get your head out of the sand. Life is not all, puppies and ice cream. Problems like that partially exist because people choose or try to bury them and not deal with them head on. IMHO? |
No sand here, except in the sandbox where kids play. I agree that life is not all puppies and ice cream, never said that it was. Doesn't mean you can't emphasize and seek the good things in life though either.
As for dealing with this issue head-on I think if you took a survey, many people, if not most, would say they've had personal experience with this thru an acquaintance or the unfortunate loss of a family member. This point being said, we have 3 kids here, one of which is a teenager - so it's certainly a social issue that has been discussed and addressed in our household.
Please don't "glorify" it or make it seem "cool"...there's enough battles already to try and keep young adults on the right path.
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11/08/2005 10:45:53 AM · #54 |
Now, since this thread has really gotten off point (and I'm as guilty as anyone else for the sidetracking - my apologies)...here is the original post.
Originally posted by bear_music:
I just posted this snippet on the Dead End scoring thread, and it's gonna get lost, so here it is:
I'm a third of the way through the first pass on the entries now, and I have to say there are a LOT of exceptionally interesting and/or lovely and especially "artistically processed" images in this challenge. There seems to be a spillover from "grain", with many excellent examples of textural processing. All sorts of cool images. I'm impressed!
I have screened them all now, and I'm still impressed. THIS is a challenge to be savored, and voted on. Don't miss it!
Robt. |
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11/08/2005 10:51:03 AM · #55 |
I won't speak for coolhar but I'd assumed he was referring to this part of the the first post
I have to say there are a LOT of exceptionally interesting and/or lovely and especially "artistically processed" images in this challenge. There seems to be a spillover from "grain", with many excellent examples of textural processing.
and the potential effect, that such a statment might have on voters. While not image specific there could be an undercurrent effect. I do believe that.
I should add that I like these threads and couldn't care less whether they exists or not and that goes for the outtake threads as well. They are all part of free open forums and give me something to think or talk about which I enjoy regarless of their timing...
Message edited by author 2005-11-08 10:54:55. |
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11/08/2005 11:16:30 AM · #56 |
I'm hoping to vot on everything - Personally, I believe my entry may be over-processed. The strange thing is that I have over 100 votes on it and ZERO, ZIP, 0 comments!!! ... It has a mediocre score of 5.1 - I believe this is a result of being over-sharpened and over messed with - where are all of you who claim to comment on everything :) ? I'm getting a complex of mediocrity!!!
Good luck everyone.
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11/08/2005 01:09:30 PM · #57 |
| All I know is that my current "Dead End" entry will push the goofy looking rabbit off my page. Hopefully. |
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11/08/2005 06:10:57 PM · #58 |
| I take back everything I said. This challenge really sucks. All the photos I said I gave 10's I actually gave 1's. I was just messing with you people. I think everything is bad. Forums are bad. DPC is bad. life is bad. I really need to start complaining more about how bad everything is. |
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11/08/2005 06:45:50 PM · #59 |
Oh, boy... Gte busy for a day or so and watch things spiral. I only got ONE more comment for the moment: my original post was meant to encourage everyone to look at this challenge and VOTE on it, because I think it's a very interesting set of images. For some reason, my "attempt" to commend the challenge in its entirety to the community has been interpreted as an attempt to sway the voters to "my" way of seeing things.
My answer to that is, "Get real!"
Robt.
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11/08/2005 09:23:14 PM · #60 |
| DPC Forums.. they are amazing.. all the guy said was... "LOOK" at the Submissions..and it becomes this long drawn out commentary on influence..gee no wonder I feel like turning off the forums... give the guy a break...damn |
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11/10/2005 06:33:05 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by quark314:
Originally posted by shabbychic:
I agree with ELSAPO- happy thoughts are becoming a fleeting memory on this sight. It's starting to get me really turned out from great, moody art because I'm being overwhelmed with it here, which means that this challenge- filled plenty with dark and depressing photos- is making me kind of sick. |
Yes, there are many images in this competition that one might term "disturbing". But let's not lose sight of the fact that one of the primary driving forces of ANY artform is to MOVE people (in one way or another). I would much rather be reviled by an image than to have no real reaction. |
Watch the news, read the newspaper - you will find enough images to move you in a reviling way. There's so much garbage out there already, it's a shame that people want to make more dark disturbing images available. Photos depicting drug use or suicide are not art - they're disgusting. Obviously, IMO.
Originally posted by quark314:
We, as a society and as a species, in general, have become so desensitized that it's a wonder (and a BLESSING) there still ARE things that move us, even if we may not always like the way or the direction in which they move us. The choice is always there - turn it off, turn it down, look away. |
How does one become desensitized? Overexposure. As for turning it off, etc...it's getting harder all the time to "look away", especially when you need your eyes open to see where you are going. Be moved by things that make you feel GOOD, not sick and demented!
Originally posted by quark314:
All that said, I have to add that what I've actually found to be more of a downer about this contest is the number of photographs that appear to bear no relation, whatever, to the theme. To those who have made a sincere effort to address the challenge as stated (and there are MANY really *GOOD* entries), cheers!
<> |
The challenge description left this wide open for many interpretations - but you must be able to see good, positive ways to visualize a dead end...they are not always dark.
"Creatively photograph a dead end. It can be a dead end street, hall, maze, or a metaphoric dead end -- you decide." |
I agree with you 100%. In re-reading my post, I can see where I may have given the impression that I was advocating the "dark side". That's not what I meant, at all. I was only trying to make the point that in art, as in life, there are going to be things that don't always align with a given individual's aesthetic. For that reason, they are bad, negative, revolting, disgusting, ___________ (fill in your favorite adjective here). If nothing else, they make the good, nice, beautiful, ___________ all the sweeter. Ying/yang.
Personally, unless there is some intrinsic editorial value in a blatantly disturbing image, I tend to avoid it, too. I have seen too many works, in too many places (including here), that seem to exist merely for shock value and as such, are reduced, at least to me, to "tabloid fare" - I wasn't defending THAT. I would much prefer to have someone's work move me by making me *think* rather than by making me want to puke. All I was saying is that sometimes a (real) work of art can take you to an uncomfortable spot in getting its point across - not everything worthwhile and meaningful is made up of butterflies and roses.
Hopefully, I've clarified where I was coming from. (Maybe yes, maybe no???)
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11/10/2005 07:43:34 AM · #62 |
| on the deadend challenge=i thought all the entries were exeptional especially mine i might add-i gave most of the entries 10.thats just my opinion down here in grit country where we like dead ends in the "roatway" a deadend means its time to stop to pee and get another beer out the cooler! |
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11/10/2005 08:26:58 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by quark314:
... Hopefully, I've clarified where I was coming from. (Maybe yes, maybe no???) |
Clarified certainly, and it sounds like we are pretty much both in the same camp. ;^)
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11/10/2005 09:13:19 AM · #64 |
OH brother! I was asked to validate my entry and I only have a 4.9 for a score? LOL.....
Rose
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11/10/2005 01:55:30 PM · #65 |
My prediction for this challenge was many grave-stones and death type interpretations. I'm not surprised or offended. The first creative thought one has usually is where these challenges go - hey we only have a week!!!! I chose to take a more literal but creatively captured subject (at least I thought). One other thought: There hasn't been one comment on MY image !!! Not sure what that means (5.2 is what it means I guess). He/she whom is the first to comment will receive a free gift in their e-mail box!
Message edited by author 2005-11-10 13:57:25.
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11/10/2005 08:53:57 PM · #66 |
OMG I've been DQ'ed!!! LMAO! I can't believe that! What a tough crowd! LOL...
I didn't know how to set the date on my camera, so I had someone else do it for me. They set the date, but NOT the time! The time said 1:00am, and CLEARLY the shot was taken in broad daylight and not in darkness, and it is shown in the original as being taken OUTSIDE in daylight. So I was DQ'ed for the "date" saying the 30th when it was really the 31st due to the time being off by only hours!! LOL...OMG and they didn't even listen to my explaination about that? I think that is ridiculous.
Well, it wasn't winning anyway, but I will be happy knowing it ended on an above average score :)
Rose
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11/10/2005 09:26:45 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
OMG I've been DQ'ed!!! LMAO! I can't believe that! What a tough crowd! LOL...
I didn't know how to set the date on my camera, so I had someone else do it for me. They set the date, but NOT the time! The time said 1:00am, and CLEARLY the shot was taken in broad daylight and not in darkness, and it is shown in the original as being taken OUTSIDE in daylight. So I was DQ'ed for the "date" saying the 30th when it was really the 31st due to the time being off by only hours!! LOL...OMG and they didn't even listen to my explaination about that? I think that is ridiculous.
Well, it wasn't winning anyway, but I will be happy knowing it ended on an above average score :)
Rose |
Rose,
We did read your explanation, but it doesn't help your cause.
While we accept your statement that the photo had to be taken during daylight hours, all that proves is that the date/time stamp is incorrect. Since we know that stamp to be incorrect, we have no way to verify that the entry was taken within the challenge dates; and therefore we have no choice but to disqualify the entry.
Speaking only for myself, I was also puzzled by your explanation. Your camera's date/time showed 30-Oct at 1:00 AM. Your photo was taken during daylight hours, and you state that it was taken on the 31st. That means there is at least a 29 hour and 28 minute difference between your camera's clock and the earliest possible time you could have taken this photo legally. This is more time than can be explained by your friend setting the date correctly, but not setting the time.
In any case, the second issue is a moot point. Due to past abuses, we do not accept alternate proof in place of an incorrect date stamp. If the date stamp is outside the entry dates or is otherwise be shown to be invalid, we have no choice but to disqualify the entry. In the past, we have disqualified entries with date stamps in the future, date stamps before the camera in question was manufactures, and date stamps of 00/00/00.
This may seem harsh, but it is a policy we apply uniformly and fairly across the board.
~Terry
Message edited by author 2005-11-10 21:29:40.
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11/10/2005 10:29:20 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
OMG I've been DQ'ed!!! LMAO! I can't believe that! What a tough crowd! LOL...
I didn't know how to set the date on my camera, so I had someone else do it for me. They set the date, but NOT the time! The time said 1:00am, and CLEARLY the shot was taken in broad daylight and not in darkness, and it is shown in the original as being taken OUTSIDE in daylight. So I was DQ'ed for the "date" saying the 30th when it was really the 31st due to the time being off by only hours!! LOL...OMG and they didn't even listen to my explaination about that? I think that is ridiculous.
Well, it wasn't winning anyway, but I will be happy knowing it ended on an above average score :)
Rose |
Rose,
We did read your explanation, but it doesn't help your cause.
While we accept your statement that the photo had to be taken during daylight hours, all that proves is that the date/time stamp is incorrect. Since we know that stamp to be incorrect, we have no way to verify that the entry was taken within the challenge dates; and therefore we have no choice but to disqualify the entry.
Speaking only for myself, I was also puzzled by your explanation. Your camera's date/time showed 30-Oct at 1:00 AM. Your photo was taken during daylight hours, and you state that it was taken on the 31st. That means there is at least a 29 hour and 28 minute difference between your camera's clock and the earliest possible time you could have taken this photo legally. This is more time than can be explained by your friend setting the date correctly, but not setting the time.
In any case, the second issue is a moot point. Due to past abuses, we do not accept alternate proof in place of an incorrect date stamp. If the date stamp is outside the entry dates or is otherwise be shown to be invalid, we have no choice but to disqualify the entry. In the past, we have disqualified entries with date stamps in the future, date stamps before the camera in question was manufactures, and date stamps of 00/00/00.
This may seem harsh, but it is a policy we apply uniformly and fairly across the board.
~Terry |
Yes, yes. I understand all of this. I have already discussed it with several others who are evidently on council and on another thread. I understand it perfectly, and am not offended by it now, after further thought. It only shows others to be more adherant to the rules.
However, that of the date and time? I know when I had them set the date, it was in the early afternoon the day before (the 30th). They set the date, but not evidently the time. By math (and I am no mathametician mind you..LOL), I do not know how much the time was off at the time they set the date. For all I know it said 1am forever! LOL...I just thought it kept ticking, because the shot was taken at the same time on the 31st that I had the date set on the 30th by them, so I figured a 24 hour difference or so. However, if the time was always 1am and didn't keep ticking, then it is true, you would not know if I took it on the afternoon of the 30th or the 31st ,and this is why I understand your delemma. The whole thing is just a freakish accident..LOL..and one I hope to not endure again. In hindsight, however, I did get to explain my photo before the influx from the aftermath of the competition, and for that I am greatful.
Rose
Message edited by author 2005-11-10 22:30:41.
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