Large Glass P&S. Best buy? - DPChallenge Forums

11/07/2005 01:05:40 PM · #1

I'm looking for a hi-res point and shoot with fast glass to do some street photography with. My 1 series Canons draw too much attention. So far I have been looking at the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX1 and the Leica D-Lux 2

Are there any other options at this time? Keep in mind I must favor good glass over resolution.

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

11/07/2005 01:18:06 PM · #2

From what I've read, the Olympus 8080 is a top p&s. It is a year or two old, but at the time it was the highest rated. The Panasonics are nice, but suffer from high noise.

-Chad

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

11/07/2005 01:18:24 PM · #3

Panasonic FZ10, 20 and 30 come to mind. The 10 and 20 are f2.8 throughout the zoom range. For the 30 I think it's around 4 at max zoom.

I believe these use Leica glass (I could be wrong though).

LoudDog

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

11/07/2005 01:22:02 PM · #4

Canon Pro1 has Canon L glass

Sammie

Olympus OM-D E-M5

Canon EF 28-200mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

11/07/2005 01:23:32 PM · #5

The Canon G6 might be a choice for you. It is small and unobtrusive but has quite fast glass - 2.0 at the short end and 3.0 at the long. It takes very nice pictures, it has 7.1 mp. Another choice might be the new Sony (can't remember the number) it has the CMOS chip just like the SLRs. In the pictures I've seen of it, it doesn't look like a small camera though, almost the same size as the SLRs. It is supposedly available this month and will have a 10mp resolution.

Another choice might be the new Fujifilm 5200, I've read some nice reviews about it. It's quite small and unobtrusive yet very responsive and now has antishake abilities. It is only a 5mp resolution though.

hsteg

Fujifilm X-T20

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

11/07/2005 01:30:08 PM · #6

What about something like a 350D and a 35 f/2? thats pretty small.

11/07/2005 01:35:19 PM · #7

Originally posted by hsteg:

What about something like a 350D and a 35 f/2? thats pretty small.

Too big and too noisy. I was think about a film rangefinder equivelent in size and speed.

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

11/07/2005 01:51:37 PM · #8

Originally posted by louddog:

Canon Pro1 has Canon L glass

And where would I find this?

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

11/07/2005 02:36:48 PM · #9

The Leica and Panasonic cams are essentially the same camera internally. No advantage to buying the Leica except the name.
Another option might be the Sony DSC-R1, which has an APS-C sized sensor and CZ glass. Chroma noise for this cam is about as good as the 350D or 20D up to about ISO 1600, but shadow luminance noise is higher. It actually doesn't look half bad. The resolution is about what you'd expect for the 10MPx sensor, so pretty darn good.
I expect that in the next year or so, there will be more competitors on the market with compact cams using APS-C snesors, which is a very good thing indeed. In the meantime, the Sony's the only game in town, and with f/2.8 at the wide end and usable ISO1600 is prolly the best low-light solution as well, though it won't hold a candle to a 1-series or 5D body with a 24/1.4L mounted.

Canon EOS-20D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

11/07/2005 02:38:38 PM · #10

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by louddog:
Canon Pro1 has Canon L glass

And where would I find this?

B&H has it.

LoudDog

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

11/07/2005 03:13:49 PM · #11

More info here:
//www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_pro1.asp

The lens is 28-200mm F2.4-3.5. It's a very nice lens on an 8mp camera.

SteveJ

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM

11/07/2005 03:15:18 PM · #12

What about the New Samsung Pro 815, think it is available now, if not very soon.

Steve

11/07/2005 03:19:59 PM · #13

Originally posted by Sammie:

The Canon G6 might be a choice for you. It is small and unobtrusive but has quite fast glass - 2.0 at the short end and 3.0 at the long. It takes very nice pictures, it has 7.1 mp.

And it has a viewfinder:
Real-image optical zoom viewfinder with Dioptric adjustment (-3 to +1 m -1 dpt equivalent)

This would have to be the best thing out there for what I want to do, but I will keep an open mind until I actually purchase one.

11/07/2005 03:29:21 PM · #14

Originally posted by Formerlee:

What about the New Samsung Pro 815, think it is available now, if not very soon.

Steve

Both the Samsung Pro 815 and the Canon Pro1 begin to aproach the size of a small slr, which almost toatally defeats the purpose.

11/08/2005 05:12:05 PM · #15

Once again, I'll suggest the Olympus C-8080. It beat the Canon Pro1 and Sony F828 (among others) in this dpreview review.

//www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympusc8080wz/

And it is smaller than the above mentioned cameras.

F2.4-3.5
ED glass
RAW
full manual control
CF and xD cards
short startup, focus and shutter delay times.

-Chad

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

11/08/2005 05:17:25 PM · #16

The Fuji Finepix F10 doesn't have a big zoom (just 3X), but it's tiny, fast, and great for available light shooting (clean to ISO800). Plus, you can get it for under $300.

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

11/08/2005 05:21:28 PM · #17

The Canon S80 looks like it could be a viable choice based on what you are looking at now...

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

11/08/2005 05:30:37 PM · #18

I've been seriously considering the LX1 myself. But it is noisy. Sharp as a tack though (according to the reviews, one reason for so much noise may in fact be the strong sharpness of the image). But it also happens in the sky.

The G6 would be a good choice, but it isn't image stabilized, and I think that's a real plus. Neither is the Canon Pro 1. And as cpurser said, it's very noisy. That crop of 8mp cameras with the Sony sensor were not very good, except the Oly. (I was looking at those seriously when I bought my first rebel).

If money's not an object, the previous Leica model took fantastic shots, and didn't seek as noisy as the Pana equivalent. It was like $600 more than the "almost" identical Pana. This time, the Leica and the Pana are EXACTLY the same.

The Fuji Shannon recommends is also an interesting choice.

The other possibility is to go for the slightly larger Panasonic Z series. The Z5 doesn't seem to have as much noise as the LX2, and it has much more zoom range, and image stabilized (more akin to the Pro 1). And I think (not objective) from what I've read the Leica glass beats the Canon L glass. But as I recall, one drawback of the Z5 is no raw mode.

My old G2 took great shots, did RAW, but it broke in less than 2 years. And it didn't have much on the wide end, as I recall. It has ISO 50, but it was very noisy at ISO 200 and ISO 400.

In the bigger format, the Canon S2 might also be a good choice, though it's significantly larger than the LX1.

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doctornick

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

11/08/2005 06:59:53 PM · #19

Here is a hands-on review of the LX-1

Peleng 8mm f/3.5 Fisheye MC In M42 Mount

11/08/2005 11:09:30 PM · #20

Originally posted by doctornick:

Here is a hands-on review of the LX-1

Fixed link

//www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/lx1.shtml

Matthew

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

11/10/2005 05:37:15 AM · #21

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Too big and too noisy. I was think about a film rangefinder equivelent in size and speed.

How about the Epson R-D1. It is a digital rangefinder.

Though it is also a dog. And it costs $3500.

//www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?page=4756&head=63

Message edited by author 2005-11-10 05:37:26.