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10/26/2005 07:23:29 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by MeThoS:
Why do people think they are entitled to others wealth JUST because they are lacking? Go get a skill with high demand, then get a job earning a decent wage. Earning it is much better for everybody over a hand out. |
Your ignorance is disgusting. Find out what's going on in the world around you. In parts of Eastern Europe, much of the "skilled labour" involves selling your 9 year old son to white men to have fun with so that your family can eat for the day. In Sudan, it means 5 year old orphans farming the land. In Uzbekistan it means that 15 year old girls prostitute themselves to stay alive.
I encourage you to learn about the world around you. You may find your smug self-approval crashing down around you very quickly. |
My friend..... you are not about to garner a great deal of support with a condescending attitude such as that which you are displaying at present.
I would urge you to take a deep breath and perhaps strive to cater to peoples' good will rather than referring to your audience as "Ignorant".
It is indeed sad that your zeal to provide solace and comfort to those in need has clouded your perspective to the point that you have managed to alienate a fair portion of this audience.
Do try to remember that each and everyone of us have priorities to tend to... and that this is but one of the many horrendous events that has come about in recent years.
Just a thought....
Ray |
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10/26/2005 07:40:04 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by frisca:
methos -- it seems to me that you are quite good at saying controversial things but then failing to address your critics and simply asking more questions or changing the subject. From this thread, it seems your thought patterns are all over the map. I say this only as an observation as there have been so many topics raised in this thread it is now impossible for me to speak on any of them at length.
Suffice it to say, I wish we had prints set up for Pakistan. I'd be the first to put my few prints up for sale.
I agree with riponlady that its none of your business how much we each gave personally, but I did donate (to satisfy your curiosity) and on the topic of rich countries and giving aid, I think debt forgiveness and aid are two useful things richer countries can do to help those countries who lack the infrastructure and resources to be a "super power" and are relegated to being the low paid labour for richer countries. I don't see it as entitlement, I see it as simply giving back to countries on whose backs and from whose resources, western nations have developed. From colonization forward. It seems its always those with the biggest guns that seem to be the "smartest" at gaining wealth. |
Only reason I asked about personal contributions was to weed out the people that truley believe in this cause, and the ones who just want everybody else to fix things for them. I applaud anybody who gives to the cause of their choice.
Blame the thought patterns on my ADHD, or the fact I was raised by a pack of women.(JK, sort of)
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10/26/2005 07:50:56 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by frisca:
Suffice it to say, I wish we had prints set up for Pakistan. I'd be the first to put my few prints up for sale. |
Get it done! I'll put my prints up first.
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10/26/2005 08:00:25 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by MeThoS:
Nope. The original posted just said for everybody to give more. |
Yes but the discussion had progressed to beyond the initial post theme.
Keep up will you :))
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10/26/2005 08:11:58 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Originally posted by frisca:
Suffice it to say, I wish we had prints set up for Pakistan. I'd be the first to put my few prints up for sale. |
Get it done! I'll put my prints up first. |
As I've stated in an earlier thread, why not set up a plan where a portion of the profits goes to the International Red Cross all the time. To jumping at each disaster as they come up is like swatting at flies. Photographers could choose to opt in or out as they see fit.
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10/26/2005 08:51:57 PM · #81 |
Just a few things ... and I'll try not to tick anyone off. :)
Katrina hit Americans home like 9-11 did. Entire cities were wiped off the map, up and down the Gulf Coast, and disasters like that don't happen everyday. On top of that, the flooding in New Orleans displaced hundreds of thousands of people. They lost their homes, their belongings, their jobs, and - some of them - their loved ones. This does not happen everyday in the US. We are a nation full of proud people, and when we see the "media" portraying sick and crying people, begging for help, we react. We reacted in ways we never have before. Now, American's gave for the tsunami, we give to the Red Cross, we give at church, for the church and also for different charities, we give "at the office", we are bombarded with ways to give and reasons to give. Katrina was different because it was here, it was us, it was fellow Americans that were suffering, and we responded to that overwhelmingly.
Personally, I do not see a reason why we shouldn't donate to the Red Cross all the time, as cpanaioti says. And even the Red Cross people will tell you, the money you give now doesn't just go to the displaced people from Katrina, or Rita, or Wilma, or the next hurricane to come. Whatever you give will go where it is needed.
Lastly, saying that people should know better than to continue having children, should get an education, should get a job, yadda yadda ... that's like saying that the people who live in Florida should know better and move ... or those in Nebraska should leave because of tornados, or in the Dakota's or Canada because of snow ... You can't tell someone, "Well, you've had earthquakes before, you should know better than to build mud houses ... those won't work!" People only know what they know ...
Oh ... and Wilma hit Mexico, and they are also experiencing dire needs. We can only give so much to so many ...
Anyway, that's my two cents. :) I just felt like I had to comment.
Message edited by author 2005-10-26 20:54:28. |
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10/26/2005 08:59:00 PM · #82 |
I give to the Red Cross and the United Way through payroll deduction at my workplace. I often give small amounts to various other things as needs arise or donations are requested, when I have the extra funds with which to do so. I don't have to assuage any guilt for donating or not donating to this tragedy or that catastrophe, because I know that I'm doing what I can do in the best way I can do it. I may not be able to give much, but in great numbers, a little bit here and there adds up to a lot. I give of myself in other ways, through time, non-monetary donations of food or clothing, and I try to teach my kids to do the same.
I would like the option to donate print proceeds to Red Cross or some other fund, because that would be a small way I could do something without crunching the family budget. If it happens, great. If it doesn't, I'll just keep doing what I've been doing for ten years and go on with life. I'm sorry that people are starving and suffering in all corners of the earth...maybe somehow my donations, when put with others' donations, will make a difference for someone.
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10/26/2005 10:06:36 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by MeThoS:
Why do people think they are entitled to others wealth JUST because they are lacking? Go get a skill with high demand, then get a job earning a decent wage. Earning it is much better for everybody over a hand out. |
Your ignorance is disgusting. Find out what's going on in the world around you. In parts of Eastern Europe, much of the "skilled labour" involves selling your 9 year old son to white men to have fun with so that your family can eat for the day. In Sudan, it means 5 year old orphans farming the land. In Uzbekistan it means that 15 year old girls prostitute themselves to stay alive.
I encourage you to learn about the world around you. You may find your smug self-approval crashing down around you very quickly. |
My friend..... you are not about to garner a great deal of support with a condescending attitude such as that which you are displaying at present.
I would urge you to take a deep breath and perhaps strive to cater to peoples' good will rather than referring to your audience as "Ignorant".
It is indeed sad that your zeal to provide solace and comfort to those in need has clouded your perspective to the point that you have managed to alienate a fair portion of this audience.
Do try to remember that each and everyone of us have priorities to tend to... and that this is but one of the many horrendous events that has come about in recent years.
Just a thought....
Ray |
Ray, I appreciate what you're saying...I still feel that the statements about the slackers in Pakistan getting an education and a job was ignorant.
My initial post was nothing but an attempt to appeal to people's good will and it was met with comments explaining why it was logical not to give to this particular cause, why South Asians should feel no sense of entitlement and how the world's problems could be solved with a little bit of 'up and at em'...
Your comments about having 'priorities to tend to' stem from what others have twisted this thread into. I never once suggested that those priorities weren't important and in fact titled my thread to attract the attention of 'those with money'.
Perspective...I think that we all could use some of that.
I have the condescending attitude? Perhaps, and I do apologize. I will measure my responses in the future and take your advice. |
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10/27/2005 12:08:48 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by MeThoS:
Why do people think they are entitled to others wealth JUST because they are lacking? Go get a skill with high demand, then get a job earning a decent wage. Earning it is much better for everybody over a hand out. |
Your ignorance is disgusting. Find out what's going on in the world around you. In parts of Eastern Europe, much of the "skilled labour" involves selling your 9 year old son to white men to have fun with so that your family can eat for the day. In Sudan, it means 5 year old orphans farming the land. In Uzbekistan it means that 15 year old girls prostitute themselves to stay alive.
I encourage you to learn about the world around you. You may find your smug self-approval crashing down around you very quickly. |
My friend..... you are not about to garner a great deal of support with a condescending attitude such as that which you are displaying at present.
I would urge you to take a deep breath and perhaps strive to cater to peoples' good will rather than referring to your audience as "Ignorant".
It is indeed sad that your zeal to provide solace and comfort to those in need has clouded your perspective to the point that you have managed to alienate a fair portion of this audience.
Do try to remember that each and everyone of us have priorities to tend to... and that this is but one of the many horrendous events that has come about in recent years.
Just a thought....
Ray |
Ray, I appreciate what you're saying...I still feel that the statements about the slackers in Pakistan getting an education and a job was ignorant.
My initial post was nothing but an attempt to appeal to people's good will and it was met with comments explaining why it was logical not to give to this particular cause, why South Asians should feel no sense of entitlement and how the world's problems could be solved with a little bit of 'up and at em'...
Your comments about having 'priorities to tend to' stem from what others have twisted this thread into. I never once suggested that those priorities weren't important and in fact titled my thread to attract the attention of 'those with money'.
Perspective...I think that we all could use some of that.
I have the condescending attitude? Perhaps, and I do apologize. I will measure my responses in the future and take your advice. |
Is this were Robin Williams comes out singing "blame it on Canada?"
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10/27/2005 05:42:44 AM · #85 |
There were a lot of complaints here in the immediate aftermath of Katrina along the lines of "the US contributes to everyone else's disasters but no one is contributing to ours" that lasted until it was apparent quite how many contributions were in the process of being made.
The international community has developed an aid system that operates as a kind of mutual-insurance policy: countries donate aid in cases of disaster proportionate to the need and their relative wealth, and in return, expect to receive aid back again in times of need. It is not unreasonable for people to have expectations of aid in those circumstances.
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10/27/2005 08:23:37 AM · #86 |
Yeah it's an outright shame that America spends billions of dollars fighting over in IRAQ, and then gets BLASTED by a multi-billion dollar hurricane a month or so ago, and now we're frowned upon because we won't give more money...screw them. We need to worry about NUMBER ONE before we worry about anything else. Once we have everything ok here, then if there's extra, it's ok to go ahead and help other places.
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10/27/2005 09:54:14 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Yeah it's an outright shame that America spends billions of dollars fighting over in IRAQ, and then gets BLASTED by a multi-billion dollar hurricane a month or so ago, and now we're frowned upon because we won't give more money...screw them. We need to worry about NUMBER ONE before we worry about anything else. Once we have everything ok here, then if there's extra, it's ok to go ahead and help other places. |
Read the whole of these posts and then you will see what is being argued here!
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10/27/2005 10:20:12 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Originally posted by deapee:
Yeah it's an outright shame... |
Read the whole of these posts and then you will see what is being argued here! |
Huh??? He's not off point. The Iraq reference may have thrown it off course a bit, but the primary point is why aren't western countries contributing more to the relief effort in Pakistan. deapee makes a point that we have spent a bucket full of cash on our own needs (Katrina, Wilma) and correctly so. If any funds are left over - ok, help somebody else. Take care of the home needs first.
This point has been made by others in the thread as well...and yes, I've read them. ;^)
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10/27/2005 11:05:25 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Once we have everything ok here, then if there's extra, it's ok to go ahead and help other places. |
1. When will everything be "ok"?
2. What is the point of aid if you don't give it at the time of a disaster?
I have a mortgage. Should I postpone giving charitable donations for the building of emergency shelters in Kashmir until I have finished paying for my own house? After all, they only have nothing, whereas I am in the much worse position of having hundreds of thousands of debt...
Message edited by author 2005-10-27 11:05:40.
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10/27/2005 11:11:22 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Originally posted by deapee:
Yeah it's an outright shame... |
Read the whole of these posts and then you will see what is being argued here! |
Huh??? He's not off point. The Iraq reference may have thrown it off course a bit, but the primary point is why aren't western countries contributing more to the relief effort in Pakistan. deapee makes a point that we have spent a bucket full of cash on our own needs (Katrina, Wilma) and correctly so. If any funds are left over - ok, help somebody else. Take care of the home needs first.
This point has been made by others in the thread as well...and yes, I've read them. ;^) |
Exactly this has all been said!
edit: I apologise I thought Deapee had contributed to this before saying the same thing. Must have been another thread along thee same lines.
Message edited by author 2005-10-27 11:13:46.
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