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10/21/2005 03:05:45 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by BradP:
Seems like a pretty steady decline in overall averages in the last 3-6 months, and in particular, seems to really have hit hard after the Experimental Open Challenges started. |
I think it might have to do with "Participant Vote" vs "Voter Vote". EddyG had some nice stats about this earlier. I've posted more about it here
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10/21/2005 03:24:07 PM · #102 |
| Should entrants in a challenge be allowed to vote in said challenge? |
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10/21/2005 03:47:48 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by Nitin:
Originally posted by BradP:
Seems like a pretty steady decline in overall averages in the last 3-6 months, and in particular, seems to really have hit hard after the Experimental Open Challenges started. |
I think it might have to do with "Participant Vote" vs "Voter Vote". EddyG had some nice stats about this earlier. I've posted more about it here |
A bit off topic, but yes, I'd really like to see people vote "the other challenge" rather than the one you are in. Why don't we try it for a month?
I am struggling to even stay at this high--it's been lower. It's my lowest score ever. A 5.0 is starting to look might good to me LOL:
Votes: 131
Views: 157
Avg Vote: 4.4427
Comments: 4
Favorites: 1
My score needs a pick me up. :)
Message edited by author 2005-10-21 15:52:22.
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10/21/2005 03:52:20 PM · #104 |
Another thought on what has happened, is once upon a time, we were all wowed by the amazing quality of the photographs the "finacially out of reach" dSLR's were acheiving. An affordable dSLR seems the norm now, with a much more level playing field here?
Just a thought anyway. |
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10/21/2005 03:53:20 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by BradP:
Another thought on what has happened, is once upon a time, we were all wowed by the amazing quality of the photographs the "finacially out of reach" dSLR's were acheiving. An affordable dSLR seems the norm now, with a much more level playing field here?
Just a thought anyway. |
I would think that then scores should be on the rise. We should be complaining about score "inflation".
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10/21/2005 04:00:08 PM · #106 |
I think it would be the other way around.
A year ago, we would be dazzled by a shot with amazing bokeh, insane detail, extreme dof (or lack of) and rewarded those shots with high marks. (The "we" is general populous).
Now many/most can do it with better cameras and least we forget, better and more powerful software. Once trade secrets to get a pic exceptionally clear, have been shared or more readily found, and are becoming more common to see.
In the latest Open challenges at least, I can see adding a 0.5 to all the scores to compare to say 6mos-1yr ago. What once scored a 6.0, would be a 5.5 at best now. |
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10/21/2005 04:02:54 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by BradP:
In the latest Open challenges at least, I can see adding a 0.5 to all the scores to compare to say 6mos-1yr ago. What once scored a 6.0, would be a 5.5 at best now. |
Okay! I feel better now, particularly since some kind soul just gave me a 1.
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10/21/2005 04:06:34 PM · #108 |
It could indeed go either way. But I think human nature explains it better: subconciously or consciously, casting high votes in a challenge you are "in" is perceived as a vote against your own entry. That's why I think it would be better to vote only on challenges you don't enter.
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10/21/2005 04:08:16 PM · #109 |
I'm still thrilled to pieces and more so now -
Votes: 169
Views: 258
Avg Vote: 5.1243
Comments: 7
I dont understand the begrudging scores in the fives. I mean the highest score for the Pride challenge was 6.517. And the LOWEST score that anyone got in the Impressionism challenge was 5.07. Is it because nobody wants thier shot called average? Hell, I'll take average, or even slighly lower than it seeing the quality of the shots here. If I am on par with 50% of the people on his site- I'm all over it. :)
Added - Heh, I'm a doofus since I am in the other challenge not WHAT?, but my grumping still stands. :)
Message edited by author 2005-10-21 16:11:11. |
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10/21/2005 04:09:17 PM · #110 |
Touche'Originally posted by nshapiro:
It could indeed go either way. But I think human nature explains it better: subconciously or consciously, casting high votes in a challenge you are "in" is perceived as a vote against your own entry. That's why I think it would be better to vote only on challenges you don't enter. |
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10/21/2005 04:12:52 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
It could indeed go either way. But I think human nature explains it better: subconciously or consciously, casting high votes in a challenge you are "in" is perceived as a vote against your own entry. That's why I think it would be better to vote only on challenges you don't enter. |
Amen! While it's been discussed many times before, it might be interesting to put this idea to a formal DPC vote.
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10/21/2005 04:45:23 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
It could indeed go either way. But I think human nature explains it better: subconciously or consciously, casting high votes in a challenge you are "in" is perceived as a vote against your own entry. That's why I think it would be better to vote only on challenges you don't enter. |
Amen! While it's been discussed many times before, it might be interesting to put this idea to a formal DPC vote. |
I also agree with this idea.
Perhaps 2 averages could be provided at the end of voting for all challenges: Challenge Entrants' Average, and Non-Challenge Entrants' Average. That way, we could tell if that's what's going on here...
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10/21/2005 04:50:45 PM · #113 |
Votes: 138
Views: 173
Avg Vote: 4.4493
Comments: 1
138 votes... 1 comment. (a good one, but only one.)
I'd rather have a few bad ones to tell me why I'm sucking ass.
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10/21/2005 04:55:24 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by GentleSoul:
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
It could indeed go either way. But I think human nature explains it better: subconciously or consciously, casting high votes in a challenge you are "in" is perceived as a vote against your own entry. That's why I think it would be better to vote only on challenges you don't enter. |
Amen! While it's been discussed many times before, it might be interesting to put this idea to a formal DPC vote. |
I also agree with this idea.
Perhaps 2 averages could be provided at the end of voting for all challenges: Challenge Entrants' Average, and Non-Challenge Entrants' Average. That way, we could tell if that's what's going on here... |
Yes, those two averages would be more useful than "Camera" versus "No Camera"! Langdon, Drew, please!
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10/21/2005 05:51:49 PM · #115 |
Get myself in trouble, again! LOL If I may interject another idea here, though I do agree that voting on only challenges you are not in may be a good idea, may also be another reason for the low scores. I have not been here long, and when I started out my voting average was close to 5.5, not sure of the exact number, but was well above 5 anyway. It is now down to about 4.7, and the reason is the amount of photos that do not come close to fulfilling the challenge IMO. And as that is what I go by to vote, the lowering of my average scores follows. Personification - non human looking inanimate object?? - was worse than the present WHAT? challenge, but to me (sorry if I am not supposed to say this now) taking a picture of a fisherman and saying "what is he going to catch next?" is NOT a "what" photo. That is a "what" title, by that criteria, there is not a photo in the world that would not qualify for this challenge, what part of my body is showing, what cloth is in the background, what color is the sky? etc etc etc. Probably just me, but I could not in all honesty vote that type of photo very high no matter how good the actual picture was. Course at least one person thought my entry did not show personification, may be more, but only one person said so.
Also many newbies have yet to solidify their voting criteria and that may account for some of the low scores. Just my opinions I realize, but, if nothing else is, at least those are mine! LOL
Jacque |
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10/21/2005 06:10:40 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by olddj:
Get myself in trouble, again! LOL If I may interject another idea here, though I do agree that voting on only challenges you are not in may be a good idea, may also be another reason for the low scores. I have not been here long, and when I started out my voting average was close to 5.5, not sure of the exact number, but was well above 5 anyway. It is now down to about 4.7, and the reason is the amount of photos that do not come close to fulfilling the challenge IMO. And as that is what I go by to vote, the lowering of my average scores follows. Personification - non human looking inanimate object?? - was worse than the present WHAT? challenge, but to me (sorry if I am not supposed to say this now) taking a picture of a fisherman and saying "what is he going to catch next?" is NOT a "what" photo. That is a "what" title, by that criteria, there is not a photo in the world that would not qualify for this challenge, what part of my body is showing, what cloth is in the background, what color is the sky? etc etc etc. Probably just me, but I could not in all honesty vote that type of photo very high no matter how good the actual picture was. Course at least one person thought my entry did not show personification, may be more, but only one person said so.
Also many newbies have yet to solidify their voting criteria and that may account for some of the low scores. Just my opinions I realize, but, if nothing else is, at least those are mine! LOL
Jacque |
I saw this challenge as a free study. Everytime I look at a photo in any challenge or anywhere the first question that I ask myself is "what" is this about or "what" is the artist trying to say before I even look at titles.
Maybe you should try and look into the photo more and ask yourself the question and you will see every photo does fit this challenge with or without the title. |
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10/21/2005 06:48:15 PM · #117 |
Well, keegbow, I only said it was/is my opinion and that is the way I look at it couple times. I do not intend for my ideas to influence you, and will not attempt to do so, unlike some others. Nor will your opinions, for no matter how you put them here, that is all they are, your opinions, sway mine. I am secure enough in myself to know that the phrase "To thine own self be true" really works.
Just for conversation, if it was a true "open" challenge, why not say that? It says a "What?" does it not? Again, MY OPINION. Have a great day/evening!
Jacque
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10/21/2005 07:13:27 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by keegbow:
I saw this challenge as a free study. |
I'm not trying to influence anyone on this just stating my opinion, as we are all encouraged to do here. I do respect yours no matter how it may differ from mine.
I've been here long enough to have seen only to often that the ultra strict interpratation of challenge descriptions can stifle creativity.
I was hoping for this challenge that a one word challenge would help creativity, as it was I who had originally suggested one word challenge descriptions.
This is where it was discussed before.
Message edited by author 2005-10-21 19:22:21. |
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10/21/2005 08:03:02 PM · #119 |
Votes: 153
Views: 214
Avg Vote: 5.5686
Comments: 5
decent i guess. its gonna take my avg awhile to pick up after submitting joke photos or not at all fitting the challenge.
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10/21/2005 11:16:09 PM · #120 |
wow i now have 11 great comments and ...
Votes: 157
Views: 228
Avg Vote: 5.3631
Comments: 11
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 10/21/05 11:05
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10/22/2005 01:09:08 AM · #121 |
Votes: 155
Views: 189
Avg Vote: 4.7484
Comments: 2
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 10/22/05 01:05 am
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10/22/2005 01:18:48 AM · #122 |
If it was a free study, they'd probably call it..err..I dunno "Free Study"
Originally posted by keegbow:
I saw this challenge as a free study. |
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10/23/2005 01:06:00 AM · #123 |
Votes: 167
Views: 224
Avg Vote: 4.8323
Comments: 6
Still climbing, then dropping, then climbing... |
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10/23/2005 01:08:32 AM · #124 |
I'd just like to say that after this challenge is over, I will be complaining LOUDLY about not getting my brown ribbon. I'm at a frickin 4.3 Are you KIDDING ME??????????
WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!?!?!?!?!??!
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10/23/2005 02:22:01 AM · #125 |
I have entered in this challenge a purely abstract image, basically, a closeup intended to cause the viewer to say "what's that?", which is how I chose to interpret the challenge. I just got a comment that this image does not meet the challenge! It's enough to make one one howl with incredulity :-)
Robt.
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