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09/21/2005 08:09:46 PM · #1 |
Sz -- first of all your picture rocked, I really like it.
But I don't understand how it meets the challenge. Those that rated it highly, can you explain how it uses "perspective to create a dramatic effect with your photograph." I just don't see it.
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09/21/2005 08:17:10 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by ttreit:
Sz -- first of all your picture rocked, I really like it.
But I don't understand how it meets the challenge. Those that rated it highly, can you explain how it uses "perspective to create a dramatic effect with your photograph." I just don't see it. |
His picture is great. IMO the perspective he chose made the shot have the wow factor. A low to the water angle making the the boat powerful in the waters reflections and against the morning sky. Almost makes me feel as if I looking though the eyes of a gator.
Message edited by author 2005-09-21 20:17:28. |
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09/21/2005 08:34:25 PM · #3 |
also cool about it is you can flip it 180 deg & it still looks normal
good capture |
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09/21/2005 08:44:15 PM · #4 |
| The absolute mirror-calm of the water creates a scene of unexpected symmetry which, IMO fits the perspective challenge beautifully. Combine that with the fact that it's an absolute knock-out, drop-dead beautiful photo, and you have a blue ribbon. |
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09/21/2005 09:12:17 PM · #5 |
Yes it is a feel good, get you hot and heavy image suitable for most DPCers but it is not as strong theme-wise as the Red Ribbon.
The formula, it seems, is to provide a knockout image that might fit the challenge but not quite. Look at the entries again, when did a sunset image ever count as a perspective??? Of the top 20, only 15 entries fits the bill.
There's a difference in perspective, POV, distortion, and personal opinion (as in "In my perspective no one seems to get it).
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09/21/2005 09:56:06 PM · #6 |
Isn't the angle the picture was taken from more about point of view than perspective?
I don't see the reflection (which is the strength of the shot) as being particularly tied to perspective either.
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09/21/2005 10:12:05 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by SDW65:
His picture is great. IMO the perspective he chose made the shot have the wow factor. A low to the water angle making the the boat powerful in the waters reflections and against the morning sky. Almost makes me feel as if I looking though the eyes of a gator. |
You've got it bang on. He chose on purpose to get low on the water for his perspective. Most people would have shot this standing up or crouching, which would have made for a weaker shot since the perspective would have been more "normal". The image is compositionally strong, the colours are awesome, the reflection is out of this world. It deserved to win.
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09/21/2005 10:19:18 PM · #8 |
| Perspective is really any two dimensional image that can tell a story of size, well just to be frank anything that is art is in some sort of perspective although size is most common. |
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09/21/2005 10:20:14 PM · #9 |
If you were teaching a photography class, and decided to spend a day teaching on "perspective" would you use the blue ribbon as your prime example? Or would you be more likely to use the red?
Message edited by author 2005-09-21 22:21:00.
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09/21/2005 10:23:56 PM · #10 |
There is always brilliant photos on this site and only a few make me say "WOW" out loud and this is one of them ! I cannot fault it.
-Lisa |
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09/21/2005 10:29:17 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by ttreit:
If you were teaching a photography class, and decided to spend a day teaching on "perspective" would you use the blue ribbon as your prime example? Or would you be more likely to use the red? |
I'd use both...
- The red, because it SCREAMS perspective. It's a great abstract, and the unusual viewpoint IS the impact.
- The blue, because it uses perspective in a subtle way to add to the impact. The fact that it was taken from such a low angle gives it a much different feel (amd more impact, IMO) than if it were taken from 5 feet higher, and simply makes an already strong shot quite a bit stronger.
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09/21/2005 10:29:53 PM · #12 |
Something that may have played against the red ribbon image is that, as posted by its creator, a very similar shot had been submitted before. The blue ribbon winner was a brand new "fresh" image never seen on the site before. That may have made a difference in the eyes of some voters.
I still believe the blue ribbon image has an awesome perspective. What does it for me is that we don't see the inside such as the ribs and gunwales are also minimized by the angle. It's very unusual to see a small wooden boat shot from such a low angle.
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09/21/2005 10:34:34 PM · #13 |
The red is more along the lines of triangular composition yes it shows size difference but the blue show angle of view and a size contrast between the boat and the trees on the horizon
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09/21/2005 10:35:17 PM · #14 |
Ok so what IS the difference between "perspective" and "point of view"?
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09/21/2005 10:38:51 PM · #15 |
in a simple way
perspective tells
point of view shows |
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09/21/2005 10:42:26 PM · #16 |
ttreit,
I don't think you are completely off base. The picture is a better example of POV, but I think it uses perspective as well. Look at the lines of the boat. To me they add dimension and gives the illusion of depth. While it does not "scream" perspective (as someone said the red ribbon does), it does utilize it. I think the fact that the bridge in the background is also in focus also adds to the perception of perspective as it lends a great deal of depth to the picture as a whole.
It's subtle, but I think it uses it enough in combination with an incredible picture. |
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09/21/2005 10:44:40 PM · #17 |
"it takes diff'rent strokes to move the world, yes it does. it takes diff'rent strokes to move the worrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrllllllddddddddd."
to each their own. i guess enough people thought that the blue was perspectivey. |
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09/21/2005 10:47:40 PM · #18 |
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Message edited by author 2005-09-23 18:27:22.
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09/21/2005 10:47:43 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by ttreit:
If you were teaching a photography class, and decided to spend a day teaching on "perspective" would you use the blue ribbon as your prime example? Or would you be more likely to use the red? |
Why is that relevant? The most educational stuff is not necessarily the one with the most impact.
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09/21/2005 10:48:47 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by azoychka:
It most likely was a ribbon winner because of the over use of neatimage, which strangely is the same in the colour portrait winner. Who would have guessed! As a powerful perspective image? it ain't...... |
The submission deadline on conspiracy challenge is over :)
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09/21/2005 10:51:24 PM · #21 |
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Message edited by author 2005-09-23 18:27:03.
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09/21/2005 10:55:26 PM · #22 |
Well then, you'd use it to teach with...right? I don't really understand your question.
Originally posted by vfwlkr:
Originally posted by ttreit:
If you were teaching a photography class, and decided to spend a day teaching on "perspective" would you use the blue ribbon as your prime example? Or would you be more likely to use the red? |
Why is that relevant? The most educational stuff is not necessarily the one with the most impact. |
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09/21/2005 10:56:56 PM · #23 |
For what it's worth I'm not trying to pick on the image or the voters. I am trying to get a handle on perspective though and it's interesting to hear how people felt it met the challenge. I don't agree with everyone but it's a useful lesson in terminology.
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09/21/2005 10:57:58 PM · #24 |
i've researched "perspective" as applied in photography before shooting this challenge. "Perspective" is not the same as "point of view" (as in bird' eye view, worm's eye view, or from a point of view of a dog). In some cases, perspective may be taken as a "point of view" shot but not always. Point of view is definitely not always perspective either.
photographic perspective as I have learned from some photo worskshops should include elements of near and far. The eyes should be led from the "here" to the "there." Usually, there should be what we sometimes call "vanishing point" (an ideal example would be a railroad or a tall building with foreground subjects), tho these examples are so often used and thus so ordinary.
IMHO, since we are learning from and teaching others proper and creative photography here at DPC, compliance with the theme challenge should be a top requirement in judging. Ribbons should very well represent each challenge as prime and excellent examples for the rest to learn.
I must agree with the others that Blue Ribbon although excellently done- no question about it- does not fully represent "perspective" in photography but more of "point-of-view" category. If we are to generally consider "personal interpretations" of challenge rule to govern our challenge entries, organizers should narrow down or be more specific in the challenge description or else it will always be an "anything goes" theme challenge.
I was trying to do a different approach to this perspective challenge and I received a comment saying, "Perspective?... wrong challenge..."
I'm now confused.
Message edited by author 2005-09-21 23:01:00.
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09/21/2005 11:01:27 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
ttreit,
I don't think you are completely off base. The picture is a better example of POV, but I think it uses perspective as well. Look at the lines of the boat. To me they add dimension and gives the illusion of depth. While it does not "scream" perspective (as someone said the red ribbon does), it does utilize it. I think the fact that the bridge in the background is also in focus also adds to the perception of perspective as it lends a great deal of depth to the picture as a whole.
It's subtle, but I think it uses it enough in combination with an incredible picture. |
I agree with Dr on this one. THe boat has a 3d feel to it, also seen in the reflection, look at the DOF , it is very good as well, and finally the horizion bleeds away to nothing from bottom up then the sky seems to come forward from the middle.
Prespective is not POV nor is it taking pictures from a diffrent angle or position
//www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&oi=defmore&q=define:perspective
you will se that all of the definations in art terms refer to spatial and 3d in a 2d image. Most day to day terms read more like a POV. And since photograpy is an art....
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