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09/10/2005 01:15:23 AM · #401 |
Originally posted by frychikn:
I don't care how damn powerful the government is, I REFUSE to join the junior anti-sex league! |
Good stuff.
But I am confused. Junior anti-sex league? Possibly a group of those interested in science and nature, classical music, computers, history, humor, photography, and nostalgia?
Count me out too!
JV
Yes, possibly the last snide remark on this boring Friday night. |
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09/10/2005 01:48:02 AM · #402 |
Originally posted by milo655321:
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
Originally posted by Kaizen:
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
Read Orwell's 1984, . . . . |
Read? That is asking a lot. (...)
JV |
Yes, I know it is. But if you don't want to be ignorant, you have to do it. Lots and lots of reading. |
Sorry, but reading takes time away from my daily Two Minutes of Hate. |
Just a tought as I was about to fall asleep and some car horn started blowing none stop...
Two minutes of hate... Things sound so un-real when you call them by their real names, like it could only happen in a made-up story... Call it "news" and it fits perfectly in our reality... Problem is it lasts way more than two minutes a day...
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09/10/2005 01:58:44 AM · #403 |
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09/10/2005 09:25:19 AM · #404 |
| Informational Side Note: I'm guessing from some of the responses that it's possible some people might not be aware the Two Minutes Hate and the Junior Anti-Sex League are an activity and a group mentioned in George Orwell's 1984 which someone had been brought up previously in the thread. |
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09/10/2005 10:14:06 AM · #405 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
were're not ignorant, well atleast i'm not. it's all politics duh!! we bend over backwards for everyone else but cant really help our own. and when they do help our own it's like this.....our government sends welfare mothers to college for free but have others struggle to get an education if they make more than $30,000 a yr and that aint shit where i live! if you have too many kids you can get a car too! its bullshit! I HATE people who abuse the welfare system, they make me sick and our piece of shit government lets them do it. "Oh i hurt my back" "well let's put you on disability" two weeks later the person is living the life off of free money while i bust my ass everyday at work to pay for it through taxes and meanwhile the welfare mooch is using my money to do drugs, buy smokes, or a bottle! BUY some CONDOMS!!!!
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
(...)This type of thing happens ALL THE TIME behind the scenes and is the #1 reason why Americans are so ignorant today. |
Well said! |
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First I agree a lot of people abuse the welfare system. But not all! Second the welfare system is helping our own-if I am correct the welfare system does not send welfare to people out side our country.
I hope you never get injured it would be terrible if you were disabled especially because you would probley end up homeless because you don't think people who, let's say hurt their backs, should get disability from us hard working tax payers so I'm sure you would do the right thing and not get it and do without, So that us hard working taxpayers don't have to pay your way when you need help. It's that additude that stops the ones who really need and deserve help from getting it, through welfare, school needs, disability, disasters, etc... It's almost impossible to tell if every case in legit. Though I do think that it's good they are putting limits on welfare. I know it's not easy to get. But so much funding goes to crap like decorating our citites and stupid stuff like that and you never hear people complining about that crap, it's always about helping the poor and injured. Untill you've walked a mile in those shoes how can you judge. My Mom fell and hurt her back. She has a few herniated disks, a displaced hip, and now spinal arthitis. She can't work a full time job, lost her car, and gets NO help from the goverment. I work everyday and pay 70% of her bills and needs, plus trying to help my own family. I pay taxes so that it can help people and maybe even myself one day if needed. You never know when you may need a little help. I can't stand it when people think it's wrong to help people in need, This is exactly what we've been talking about, Look at our great country and the people who make it. It's not all the goverment. It's people who don't want to help those who need help, and are all worried about what they can or can't get. No 30,000 a year isn't much but try making 5,000 a year like me, and my husband only makes about 40,000. We have a big mortgage, 2 cars, 2 kids, plus I help take care of my mom, and you don't see us whinning about helping people. Plus I know from experiance it's easier to get help from the goverment when you make 30,000 compared to if you make 5,000. It's stuff like this that is the reason Katrina hurt NO's people so bad. It's really sicking!
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09/10/2005 11:13:02 AM · #406 |
i think people who deserve it need it. theres a big difference in a single parent who really needs assistance and a single parent who keeps having children so they dont have to work because they know that check will come every month..and as for disabilities??? there are alot of people who fake their injuries and get money, its all over the news. my aunt has never worked and there is nothing wrong with her..she goes to the doctor and complains about this or that and sits on her ass collecting money. theres NO reason why she cant work, she is smart and physically capable of working! Blind and deaf people have jobs, so whats her problem?
Originally posted by mystical_princess:
Originally posted by queanbeez:
were're not ignorant, well atleast i'm not. it's all politics duh!! we bend over backwards for everyone else but cant really help our own. and when they do help our own it's like this.....our government sends welfare mothers to college for free but have others struggle to get an education if they make more than $30,000 a yr and that aint shit where i live! if you have too many kids you can get a car too! its bullshit! I HATE people who abuse the welfare system, they make me sick and our piece of shit government lets them do it. "Oh i hurt my back" "well let's put you on disability" two weeks later the person is living the life off of free money while i bust my ass everyday at work to pay for it through taxes and meanwhile the welfare mooch is using my money to do drugs, buy smokes, or a bottle! BUY some CONDOMS!!!!
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
(...)This type of thing happens ALL THE TIME behind the scenes and is the #1 reason why Americans are so ignorant today. |
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First I agree a lot of people abuse the welfare system. But not all! Second the welfare system is helping our own-if I am correct the welfare system does not send welfare to people out side our country.
I hope you never get injured it would be terrible if you were disabled especially because you would probley end up homeless because you don't think people who, let's say hurt their backs, should get disability from us hard working tax payers so I'm sure you would do the right thing and not get it and do without, So that us hard working taxpayers don't have to pay your way when you need help. It's that additude that stops the ones who really need and deserve help from getting it, through welfare, school needs, disability, disasters, etc... It's almost impossible to tell if every case in legit. Though I do think that it's good they are putting limits on welfare. I know it's not easy to get. But so much funding goes to crap like decorating our citites and stupid stuff like that and you never hear people complining about that crap, it's always about helping the poor and injured. Untill you've walked a mile in those shoes how can you judge. My Mom fell and hurt her back. She has a few herniated disks, a displaced hip, and now spinal arthitis. She can't work a full time job, lost her car, and gets NO help from the goverment. I work everyday and pay 70% of her bills and needs, plus trying to help my own family. I pay taxes so that it can help people and maybe even myself one day if needed. You never know when you may need a little help. I can't stand it when people think it's wrong to help people in need, This is exactly what we've been talking about, Look at our great country and the people who make it. It's not all the goverment. It's people who don't want to help those who need help, and are all worried about what they can or can't get. No 30,000 a year isn't much but try making 5,000 a year like me, and my husband only makes about 40,000. We have a big mortgage, 2 cars, 2 kids, plus I help take care of my mom, and you don't see us whinning about helping people. Plus I know from experiance it's easier to get help from the goverment when you make 30,000 compared to if you make 5,000. It's stuff like this that is the reason Katrina hurt NO's people so bad. It's really sicking! |
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09/10/2005 11:26:17 AM · #407 |
Originally posted by mystical_princess:
First I agree a lot of people abuse the welfare system. But not all! Second the welfare system is helping our own-if I am correct the welfare system does not send welfare to people out side our country.
I hope you never get injured it would be terrible if you were disabled especially because you would probley end up homeless because you don't think people who, let's say hurt their backs, should get disability from us hard working tax payers so I'm sure you would do the right thing and not get it and do without, So that us hard working taxpayers don't have to pay your way when you need help. It's that additude that stops the ones who really need and deserve help from getting it, through welfare, school needs, disability, disasters, etc... It's almost impossible to tell if every case in legit. Though I do think that it's good they are putting limits on welfare. I know it's not easy to get. But so much funding goes to crap like decorating our citites and stupid stuff like that and you never hear people complining about that crap, it's always about helping the poor and injured. Untill you've walked a mile in those shoes how can you judge. My Mom fell and hurt her back. She has a few herniated disks, a displaced hip, and now spinal arthitis. She can't work a full time job, lost her car, and gets NO help from the goverment. I work everyday and pay 70% of her bills and needs, plus trying to help my own family. I pay taxes so that it can help people and maybe even myself one day if needed. You never know when you may need a little help. I can't stand it when people think it's wrong to help people in need, This is exactly what we've been talking about, Look at our great country and the people who make it. It's not all the goverment. It's people who don't want to help those who need help, and are all worried about what they can or can't get. No 30,000 a year isn't much but try making 5,000 a year like me, and my husband only makes about 40,000. We have a big mortgage, 2 cars, 2 kids, plus I help take care of my mom, and you don't see us whinning about helping people. Plus I know from experiance it's easier to get help from the goverment when you make 30,000 compared to if you make 5,000. It's stuff like this that is the reason Katrina hurt NO's people so bad. It's really sicking! |
Very good comments. You are absolutely right, we live (both Americans, Canadians and especially Mexicans, yet I don't know enough about their politics to really judge but I know there's a lot of poverty there also) in society where the less money you make, the less importance you have, therefore the less help you get.
You know, something that really sickens me is so far, did any oil company donate any amount of their (way too big) profits to come in help to Katrina's victims?
Fuck no! They've even used the excuse to raise the price of gas to suck out more money from it's consumers. They really have the world by the balls and they know it. That's evil. If only we could sensiblise people and get them to stop going to work, all of us (or at least the vast majority of us who make less than 50.000$ a year or 30.000$Canadian) The poor are the majority, if we would stop production to clearly state that, the majority of us people don't think it's fair and we are being abused... Only then would their voices would really be heard. But we now live in such individualist cultures that everyone would be like: "I can't do that, what if they would fire me?" If everyone would get together, they could not fire us, they need us to make money.
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09/10/2005 11:48:41 AM · #408 |
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
... The poor are the majority, if we would stop production to clearly state that, the majority of us people don't think it's fair and we are being abused... Only then would their voices would really be heard. But we now live in such individualist cultures that everyone would be like: "I can't do that, what if they would fire me?" If everyone would get together, they could not fire us, they need us to make money. |
This is exactly the reason why the corporations, and the US government (embedded with the corporations), are pushing so hard for globalization. It would expand competition of labor from localities and regions to include the global labor marketplace, where they would be guaranteed to get cheap labor, with little or no chance of strikes, without having to pay for benefits, and oppressive regimes to enforce it all. |
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09/10/2005 11:53:34 AM · #409 |
Editorial: The New York Times
September 10, 2005
A Shameful Proclamation
On Thursday, President Bush issued a proclamation suspending the law that requires employers to pay the locally prevailing wage to construction workers on federally financed projects. The suspension applies to parts of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida.
By any standard of human decency, condemning many already poor and now bereft people to subpar wages - thus perpetuating their poverty - is unacceptable. It is also bad for the economy. Without the law, called the Davis-Bacon Act, contractors will be able to pay less, but they'll also get less, as lower wages invariably mean lower productivity.
The ostensible rationale for suspending the law is to reduce taxpayers' costs. Does Mr. Bush really believe it is the will of the American people to deny the prevailing wage to construction workers in New Orleans, Biloxi and other hard-hit areas? Besides, the proclamation doesn't require contractors to pass on the savings they will get by cutting wages from current low levels. Around New Orleans, the prevailing hourly wage for a truck driver working on a levee is $9.04; for an electrician, it's $14.30.
Republicans have long been trying to repeal the prevailing wage law on the grounds that the regulations are expensive and bureaucratic; weakening it was even part of the Republican Party platform in 1996 and 2000. Now, in a time of searing need, the party wants to achieve by fiat what it couldn't achieve through the normal democratic process.
In a letter this week to Mr. Bush urging him to suspend the law, 35 Republican representatives noted approvingly that Presidents Franklin Roosevelt, Richard Nixon and the elder George Bush had all suspended the law during "emergencies." For the record, Mr. Roosevelt suspended it for two weeks in 1934, to make time to clear up contradictions between it and another law. Mr. Nixon suspended it for six weeks in 1971 as part of his misbegotten attempt to control spiraling inflation. And Mr. Bush did so after Hurricane Andrew in 1992, two weeks before he was defeated by Bill Clinton, who quickly reinstated it after assuming the presidency.
If Mr. Bush does not rescind his proclamation voluntarily, Congress should pass a law forcing him to do so. |
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09/10/2005 12:04:42 PM · #410 |
September 10, 2005 -- The New York Times
Neigh to Cronies
By MAUREEN DOWD
WASHINGTON
I understand that politicians are wont to put cronies and cupcakes on the payroll.
I just wish they'd stop putting them on the Homeland Security payroll.
Can't they stick their pals who failed at business in the Small Business Administration and their tomatoes over at the Oilseeds and Rice Bureau of the Ag Department?
At least Bill Clinton knew not to stash his sweeties in jobs concerned with keeping the nation safe. Gennifer Flowers said that Mr. Clinton got her a $17,500 job in Arkansas in the state unemployment agency, though she was ranked ninth out of 11 applicants tested. And Monica Lewinsky's thong expertise led her to a job as an assistant to the Pentagon press officer.
Gov. James McGreevey of New Jersey had to resign last year after acknowledging that he had elevated his patronage peccadillo, an Israeli poet named Golan Cipel, to be his special assistant on homeland security without even a background check or American citizenship. Mr. Cipel, however, was vastly qualified for his job compared with Michael Brown, who didn't know the difference between a tropical depression and an anxiety attack when President Bush charged him with life-and-death decisions.
W. trusted Brownie simply because he was a friend of a friend. He was a college buddy of Joe Allbaugh, who worked as W.'s chief of staff when he was Texas governor and as his 2000 presidential campaign manager.
It sounds more like a Vince Vaughn-Owen Wilson flick than the story of a man who was to be responsible for the fate of the Republic during the biggest natural disaster in our history. Brownie was a failed former lawyer with a degree from a semiaccredited law school, as The New Republic put it, when he moved to Colorado in 1991 to judge horse judges for the Arabian Horse Association.
He was put out to pasture under pressure in 2001, leaving him free to join his pal Mr. Allbaugh at an eviscerated FEMA. Mr. Allbaugh decided to leave the top job at FEMA and become a lobbyist with clients like Halliburton when the agency was reorganized under Homeland Security, stripping it of authority. Why not, Mr. Allbaugh thought, just pass this obscure sinecure to his homeboy?
Time magazine reported that Brownie's official bio described his only stint in emergency management as "assistant city manager" in Edmond, Okla. But a city official told Time that the FEMA chief had been "an assistant to the city manager," which was "more like an intern."
Ever since W. was his father's loyalty enforcer, his political decisions have been shaped more by loyalty than substance or competence. Mr. Bush never did warm up to his first secretary of state because Colin Powell rebuffed appeals to help out in the Tallahassee recount of 2000.
The breakdown in management and communications was so execrable that the president learned about the 25,000 desperate, trapped people at the New Orleans convention center not from Brownie, who didn't know himself, but from a wire story carried into the Oval Office by an aide on Thursday, 24 hours after the victims had been pleading and crying for help on every channel. (Maybe tomorrow the aide will come in with a wire story, "No W.M.D. in Iraq.")
"Getting truth on the ground in New Orleans was very difficult," a White House aide told The Times's Elisabeth Bumiller. Not if you had a TV.
As Mexican troops arrived in Texas to help with Katrina refugees, Brownie was recalled to Washington, where he said he wanted to get "a good Mexican meal and a stiff margarita." Yeah, it was hard to get any good étouffée in New Orleans given the E. coli. The president should find that little bullhorn from ground zero, put it right on Brownie's ear and yell at him to get the heck out of there.
FEMA was a disaster waiting to happen, the minute a disaster struck. As The Washington Post reported Friday, five of the eight top FEMA officials were simply Bush loyalists and political operatives who "came to their posts with virtually no experience in handling disasters."
While many see the hideous rescue failures as disaster apartheid, Barbara Bush and other Republicans have tried to look on the bright side for the victims. The Wall Street Journal reported that Representative Richard Baker of Baton Rouge was overheard telling lobbyists: "We finally cleaned up public housing in New Orleans. We couldn't do it, but God did."
Even those who believe in intelligent design must surely agree that Brownie and Representative Baker weren't part of it. |
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09/10/2005 12:35:18 PM · #411 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
i think people who deserve it need it. theres a big difference in a single parent who really needs assistance and a single parent who keeps having children so they dont have to work because they know that check will come every month..and as for disabilities??? there are alot of people who fake their injuries and get money, its all over the news. my aunt has never worked and there is nothing wrong with her..she goes to the doctor and complains about this or that and sits on her ass collecting money. theres NO reason why she cant work, she is smart and physically capable of working! Blind and deaf people have jobs, so whats her problem? |
I'm not saying this about your aunt, or anyone in particular, but it brought up a lot of emotion so bear with my rant.
Disability is a vast and broad-spectrumed term. Lots of people, more than you will ever know, are disabled for reasons other than those that are seen by the general public. It's quite easy to say "Oh, there's nothing wrong with him/her, why am I working hard so that person can draw disability?" The reality is quite different. Many people qualify for disability because of mental illnesses from depression to schizophrenia to bipolar disorder and any other incapacitating mental illness you can name. Mental illnesses are silent killers of individuals, families, and have been long ignored or dismissed by the general population because "it's all in their minds" or "they're just making it up."
Not to go all into the process, because it's a very arduous and frustrating one...but in general cases of folks who were healthy and working before an injury or illness left them unable to do so, to qualify for disability under Social Security, you have to have paid into Social Security for a certain amount of time/number of quarters/etc. and then, when and if you do become physically or mentally disabled, you draw disability based upon what you have paid into the system, your historical earnings, and your future earning potential. These people aren't receiving welfare or a handout. They're receiving compensation from a system that was rightfully put in place to protect them in times of need.
I know this was off topic and I apologize, but I wanted to at least explain a little based upon my own experiences and understanding of the system.
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09/10/2005 12:57:31 PM · #412 |
What would you call tax cuts for billionaires who don't need the money? That's not "welfare"?
How about writing the tax code so that you can take out incorporation papers in the Grand Cayman Islands, and then any money you "earn" is exemt from US taxes? It's not like these guys are ripping off the system to feed their hungry children or anything. I am continually astonished how we consider massive aggrandizement of personal wealth through the exploitation of the working class an honorable achievement, while parents who receive benefits because their wages still leave them below the "poverty line" are considered "cheats." |
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09/10/2005 01:04:56 PM · #413 |
I'd like a job which provided $19,000 for "entertainment expenses" too ...
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Today's useless fact - What financial obligations do the president and first lady have while living in the White House? Is everything free?
We visited the links in the U.S. Presidents category to answer your question. As far as we can tell, a U.S. president and his squeeze don't have to pay one thin Roosevelt dime during their four to eight years at the White House. Add up all the presidential perks and subtract the wars, natural catastrophes, and economic disasters, and it seems like a pretty sweet gig. Title 3 of the U.S. Code is what governs the cash at the president's disposal. Here's the basic package: For starters, he makes a salary of $400,000 a year, plus a $50,000 expense account to defray costs relating to the "discharge of his official duties." Traveling expenses: $100,000 per year. Entertainment: $19,000. As for taking up residence in the White House (including use of its bowling alley and movie theater), trips on Air Force 1, meals, and vacations at Camp David...all are comped.
By law, the prez is also entitled to "use of the furniture and other effects belonging to the United States and kept in the Executive Residence at the White House." Mr. Lucky Ducky is also appropriated up to $1 million each fiscal year to spend at his discretion for "unanticipated needs" related to the national interest. Then of course there are the gifts. Finally, when his term of office is up, he is entitled to an annual pension of $157,000 per year, plus office space, administrative help, and Secret Service protection.
So get your resumes ready -- 2008 is just around the corner. |
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09/10/2005 01:26:26 PM · #414 |
| Cant people PLEASE just Link entire articles. |
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09/10/2005 01:40:41 PM · #415 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
Cant people PLEASE just Link entire articles. |
No. Because a) many are too lazy to cut & paste the pertinent parts, b) most actually "think" that folks will *read* the entire article if they post it ( not true - I, for one, NEVER read articles that are cut&pasted in their entirety ), and c) most probably haven't read the article themselves - they just found it linked or copied in its entirety on one of the liberal blogs or propoganda sites like democraticunderground that they rely on for their daily pablum.
Oh, and d) they don't have to pay for internet storage or bandwidth - D & L pay for that. Kind of like welfare in that regard - as long as someone ELSE is paying, many will abuse the system. |
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09/10/2005 02:03:28 PM · #416 |
GeneralE, thanks for those articles, everyone should read them.
And RonB, always with your pokes and jabs. :/ |
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09/10/2005 03:12:45 PM · #417 |
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09/10/2005 03:17:17 PM · #418 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
Cant people PLEASE just Link entire articles. |
Some links require registration at the target site to read them.
If I exerpted "relevant" parts of the article, I'd surely be accused of "manipulating" or "distorting" it to suit my viewpoint, so I usually put in the whole thing.
If I cut/paste a whole article (rarely more than a standard column) I will have read the whole thing first. |
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09/10/2005 05:02:46 PM · #419 |
That job will be open in a few years if your interested.
BTW...this was started by our old friend Pres. Geo. Washington who recieved no salary, only all expences paid for life, and he had quite an expensive lifestyle.
[quote=GeneralE] I'd like a job which provided $19,000 for "entertainment expenses" too ...
[quote=GeneralE] Today's useless fact - What financial obligations do the president and first lady have while living in the White House? Is everything free?
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09/10/2005 05:16:40 PM · #420 |
| I'd prefer the gig where you get paid just one cent the first day, on condition that my salary doubles every day ... |
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09/10/2005 05:34:53 PM · #421 |
am i speaking a different language than everyone else??? or is it that you and the other cant read?? i totally understand where you guys are coming from. I never said that welfare should be band and i never said that it was wrong for people to get help for their disabilities. I know people who couldnt work because they had anxiety attacks, bad backs, or because they had learning disabilities. The POINT i'm making is to give them help, they deserve it. but dont ask me for money to help the other Mooch that can try and help themselves but choose not to because their lazy. I dont know how more clear i can be, but whatever. I'd rather them take some of that extra cash and help someone who is homeless. But no, they would rather support a druggy on welfare with 5 kids.
Originally posted by laurielblack:
Originally posted by queanbeez:
i think people who deserve it need it. theres a big difference in a single parent who really needs assistance and a single parent who keeps having children so they dont have to work because they know that check will come every month..and as for disabilities??? there are alot of people who fake their injuries and get money, its all over the news. my aunt has never worked and there is nothing wrong with her..she goes to the doctor and complains about this or that and sits on her ass collecting money. theres NO reason why she cant work, she is smart and physically capable of working! Blind and deaf people have jobs, so whats her problem? |
I'm not saying this about your aunt, or anyone in particular, but it brought up a lot of emotion so bear with my rant.
Disability is a vast and broad-spectrumed term. Lots of people, more than you will ever know, are disabled for reasons other than those that are seen by the general public. It's quite easy to say "Oh, there's nothing wrong with him/her, why am I working hard so that person can draw disability?" The reality is quite different. Many people qualify for disability because of mental illnesses from depression to schizophrenia to bipolar disorder and any other incapacitating mental illness you can name. Mental illnesses are silent killers of individuals, families, and have been long ignored or dismissed by the general population because "it's all in their minds" or "they're just making it up."
Not to go all into the process, because it's a very arduous and frustrating one...but in general cases of folks who were healthy and working before an injury or illness left them unable to do so, to qualify for disability under Social Security, you have to have paid into Social Security for a certain amount of time/number of quarters/etc. and then, when and if you do become physically or mentally disabled, you draw disability based upon what you have paid into the system, your historical earnings, and your future earning potential. These people aren't receiving welfare or a handout. They're receiving compensation from a system that was rightfully put in place to protect them in times of need.
I know this was off topic and I apologize, but I wanted to at least explain a little based upon my own experiences and understanding of the system. |
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09/10/2005 05:47:36 PM · #422 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
am i speaking a different language than everyone else??? or is it that you and the other cant read?? |
I read very well, thank you. Perhaps it was you that misread my first sentence. Here it is again if that is the case.
Originally posted by laurielblack:
I'm not saying this about your aunt, or anyone in particular, but it brought up a lot of emotion so bear with my rant. |
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09/10/2005 06:48:43 PM · #423 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
(...)the other Mooch that can try and help themselves but choose not to because their lazy. |
I understand what your saying and agree, that there is an injustice in the help that the system provides. That's because it's a system, it has rules, specific rules designed to help people. But when you create a system with a bunch of rules, the your are limited in your actions and rules are easier to deal with than common sense. A lot of working folks are to lazy to go around and change rules that are pre-established.
By the way, lazyness itself is not a condition, it's a symptom of something else. |
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09/10/2005 06:52:11 PM · #424 |
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
Originally posted by queanbeez:
(...)the other Mooch that can try and help themselves but choose not to because their lazy. |
I understand what your saying and agree, that there is an injustice in the help that the system provides. That's because it's a system, it has rules, specific rules designed to help people. But when you create a system with a bunch of rules, the your are limited in your actions and rules are easier to deal with than common sense. A lot of working folks are to lazy to go around and change rules that are pre-established.
By the way, lazyness itself is not a condition, it's a symptom of something else. |
Edit: Just read my post and realised how much of a paradox it is, that's how the world is and we all have to deal with it.
And I'm NOT saying this to refute what Queanbeez is saying, just a tought that sparked in my head reading it.
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09/10/2005 07:24:46 PM · #425 |
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
By the way, lazyness itself is not a condition, it's a symptom of something else. |
condition...symptom... It is in many cases a result of WELFARE |
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