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08/27/2005 09:10:03 PM · #26 |
I'll just say this last bit and mind my own business.
If there is a risk to life, why take it.
Many lives have been lost while trying to "calm the nerves and have fun" - about as stupid as it gets. And yes, I have personal knowledge of this too.
There are times, we, the less knowledgeable in life about everything, need to listen to what the authorities and experts suggest.
People: If suggested to leave, do so - better safe than sorry.
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08/27/2005 09:11:57 PM · #27 |
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08/27/2005 09:18:42 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by BradP:
If there is a risk to life, why take it.
Many lives have been lost while trying to "calm the nerves and have fun" - about as stupid as it gets. And yes, I have personal knowledge of this too.
There are times, we, the less knowledgeable in life about everything, need to listen to what the authorities and experts suggest.
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There is "risk to life" just living. There is definatly risk to life being on a highway during an evacuation. Count and see how many people die on the highways this weekend along the evacuation route.
That said, if you live in the Delta, in low lying areas, within ten miles of the coast or on a island, definatly evacuate early. If you live within 150 mile of the coast and you live in a trailer, find a house. Me? I'll just ride it out.
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08/28/2005 08:48:10 AM · #29 |
Wow- Cat 5 on Katrina as of this morning. Lets really hope that this one loses some strength.
Thoughts and prayers with everyone.
(moved thread to general discussion since we don't have any photos here yet.)
Message edited by author 2005-08-28 08:49:51. |
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08/28/2005 08:53:16 AM · #30 |
In the words of King Arthur...
RUN AWAY!!!!!!!!!! *bangs coconuts together*
be safe. I have family in Baton Rouge.
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08/28/2005 08:58:23 AM · #31 |
I just woke up to a cat 5... I'm be running away now... i'd strongly encourage anyone still in se la to get out! god bless... everyone else, keep us in your prayers!
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08/28/2005 09:04:23 AM · #32 |
| OK, watching Katrina on the Weather Channel now... We went through Hugo here and it wasn't as tough has Katrina... my advice.... If you live in Southern LA, or MS... GET OUT!!! What is staying around going to accomplish? You think you gonna hold your roof on or something? |
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08/28/2005 09:07:28 AM · #33 |
| What the heck is wrong with Jim Cantore (Weather Channel)???? He's standing on the Beach in Biloxi MS broadcasting on Katrina. Granted it's perfectly calm there now, but I'll be willing to bet... He's going to STAY there!!!! I can appreciate storm chasing as much as the next guy, but THIS guy has NO sense whatsoever |
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08/28/2005 09:10:51 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by ldowse:
What the heck is wrong with Jim Cantore (Weather Channel)???? He's standing on the Beach in Biloxi MS broadcasting on Katrina. Granted it's perfectly calm there now, but I'll be willing to bet... He's going to STAY there!!!! I can appreciate storm chasing as much as the next guy, but THIS guy has NO sense whatsoever |
It's a news thing. This is part of the joy of being a journalist. I mean realistically there are people who can't evac in these situations. City government can't bail, EMS/Fire/Police can't bail. Journalists also can't bail. I imagine that they have a safe location to evac to.
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08/28/2005 09:12:49 AM · #35 |
WOW is an understatement.
I think mother nature is introducing us to Andrews and Camille's sister, Katrina. Latest reports are Cat. 5 with sustained winds of 160mph and gust approaching 190mph (just reported on msnbc).
The fear that the hurricane center has is that there is nothing in the way of wind sheer, high pressure, or front to stop her growth in size and speed. To give some perspective to this storm, Camille had a pressure of 909mb and Andrew 922mb (at landfall),Katrina has a pressure of 908mb as of the last update. Lets just hope that goes up before landfall. Typically the lower the pressure the stronger the storm.
It's just a matter of where it hits. Everyone in the path please take all precautions to keep you and your family safe. We may see some effects as in rain and bands of thunderstorms here unless she takes a quick jog to the north and then north east, which I hope she don't. I don't feel like being out of power for 4 or 5 days like I did during Opel.
Don't forget what the last Cat 5 storm (Camille) did when it hit the gulf near New Orleans and Mobile. The last Category 5 to strike the area was Hurricane Camille in 1969. Camille just missed New Orleans but devastated large swaths of Louisiana and Alabama, and killed more than 400 people. Hurricane Andrew, which destroyed the city of Homestead south of Miami in 1992 and ranks as the costliest natural disaster in U.S. history, was also a Category 5.
My prayers are with everyone that may be in the path of this storm. Stay safe and keep us informed.
-SDW
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08/28/2005 09:33:09 AM · #36 |
As a friendly reminder, please keep political discussions in the Rant section. :)
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08/28/2005 09:43:08 AM · #37 |
| Ken,our prayers are with you and your family,and we sincerely hope your home receives only minimal damage..We fully understand what you're going through,having had to evacuate a few times ourselves when we lived in FL....I know it'll be great for photo ops,but please use caution..We'd much rather come back here in a few days and chat WITH you,than chat ABOUT you....Gary |
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08/28/2005 09:59:07 AM · #38 |
I hate to see this thing hit New Orleans, although I am sitting in Lafayette waiting for this storm to take a slight turn to the north hitting Grand Isle/New Orleans . The gulf is maybe 30 miles from Lafayette and no one here is evacuating. This is not a fun day.
120 mile from New Orleans by land
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08/28/2005 10:52:48 AM · #39 |
| Kind of frightening to realize that hurricanes are a real thing. It feels so far away when reading about them from news.. after reading about your evacution plans it's all different. Real. Good luck everyone, winds over 160mph are something way beyond my imagination and experiences. |
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08/28/2005 11:03:39 AM · #40 |
Up to 175mph now. Yikes. All I have to say is if people are crazy enough to stay then emergency workers shouldn't risk their lives to save them. Not much will hold up to 175mph winds.
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08/28/2005 11:18:50 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
...if you live in the Delta, in low lying areas, within ten miles of the coast or on a island, definatly evacuate early. If you live within 150 mile of the coast and you live in a trailer, find a house. Me? I'll just ride it out. |
Hurricane Hugo devastated Charlotte, NC- 200 miles inland (close to where I lived at the time). That was a 135mph storm... this one has reached 175mph with a potential storm surge over 25 feet. People in the path of this thing may as well be riding out a nuclear bomb, and "finding a house" just isn't sufficient. CNN is reporting that New Orleans may be underwater for months. Those of you in harm's way try to stay safe and we'll just have to hope it's not as bad as predicted. |
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08/28/2005 11:21:11 AM · #42 |
Cataqgory 5 now. It's going to be very nasty. If anyone is staying I hope you are prepared. Good luck, but I suggest fleeing.
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08/28/2005 11:30:20 AM · #43 |
If you stay, you are crazy! I live in the heart of last year's damage, caused by tiny storms compared to this.
I spend all day, 5 days a week as a contractor helping people rebuild from last year's storms. Be prepared to lose everything and spend six months to a year fighting with your insurance company about what it was worth.
I'm not going to take up a bunch of space here posting what I know, and have witnessed. But if you want advice on what to expect (even hundreds of miles from the impact), feel free to PM me. I'll be glad to tell you.
Roxanne
Message edited by author 2005-08-28 11:52:17.
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08/28/2005 11:39:57 AM · #44 |
I will add two pieces of advice.
If you lose power, you might want to flip the breaker off before the power comes back on. The power fluctuations will ruin your AC etc. even if you don't get wind, rain or flood damage. If your wiring gets wet, you definitely don't want the power to return until things have dried out.
Take lots of pictures of the damage (especially mold) before you do cleanup. The insurance companies will do whatever they can to avoid paying mold claims. (If they pay them at all.)
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08/28/2005 12:25:29 PM · #45 |
mandatory evacuation from new orleans now. Bumper to bumper stopped traffic in all directions. I have yet to leave.....aaaaaaaaaaack. Im shutting down and hoping to head out with my every expensive piece of technology and two large size puppies that get car sick. My kids are out already....so if i dont make it out..at least they did! :/
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08/28/2005 12:30:29 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
There is "risk to life" just living. There is definatly risk to life being on a highway during an evacuation. Count and see how many people die on the highways this weekend along the evacuation route. |
I'll bet you it's less than die from the storm itself, and much less than would have died if no evacuation was ordered.
Originally posted by nsbca7:
I understand the point with New Orleans, but the storm is still at least 2 more days from landfall.
It is always best to be prepared, but evacuating 2 and three days before a storm when there is no way of knowing where it is going is not wise. Our state and local governments always advise us to, but think of the gain in state revenue when all the stores have been emptied of water, batteries and canned goods, every hotel from Monroeville to Huntsville are filled to capacity, and the pumps at every service station have been pumped dry. This happens several times every year. |
Problem is, disaster management officials project evacuation of New Orleans for a catastrophic hurricane to take 72 hours. It's also worth noting that some local roads in New Orleans flood very early in a major storm, cutting off entire neighborhoods from evacuation routes.
In this regard, disaster management officials have a very unenviable job. Even though they know they are working with unreliable data, they have to make a decision as to whether to evacuate a threatened area. Evacuate where there's no need, and they inconvenience citizens and risk having the public become jaded to future warnings. Evacuate too late and people die.
Originally posted by nsbca7:
It sure came close to Mobile. But you know what seens Ironic? Mobile wasn't given a mandatory evac during Ivan. There was not one causulty during that storm in the state of Alabama and that was the worst storm to hit the area since 1906. |
Sounds like the emergency management officials got it right then. The evacuation wasn't necessary in Alabama.
2004 Ivan was a Category 3 hurricane at landfall. A total of 25 deaths in the United States were directly attributed to the hurricane, with 32 more indirectly attributed. Of those 25 deaths, 14 were in Florida, 8 in North Carolina, two in Georgia and one in Mississippi (source: Wikipedia)
By contrast, Katrina is a Category 5 hurricane. Only one Category 5 hurricane has hit the US coast in the last century, and that was 1969 Camille, which killed 143 people and injured almost 9,000 more. Most of those were coastal residents who refused to evacuate. An additional 113 people died in Virginia due to storm-related flooding.
Originally posted by nsbca7:
By contrast, while everyone was given to such high levels of panic during Dennis, which did relativly little damage, there were five trafic fatalities during the mass evacuation. |
"In the United States, 10 storm-related deaths were reported, including one in Walton County, Florida, two in Fort Lauderdale, Florida and one in Decatur, Georgia. In the Gulf of Mexico, the storm heavily damaged "Thunder Horse", a BP oil rig about 150 miles (240 km) southeast of New Orleans, Louisiana, causing it to list badly." (Source: Wikipedia)
2005 Dennis presented a lot of factors that led to a wide margin of error in predicting the storm. Most significantly, this was a very fast moving storm. This meant that the storm had more distance to cover at the point in time where a decision had to be made. This of course would result in a greater margin of error.
In addition, there was not a lot of history to work with on this storm. This storm was earliest Category 4 since 1957 Audrey. The storm dropped to a Category 1 after crossing Cuba, but re-intensified to a Category 4 hurricane in the space of 18 hours. The storm travel from Cuba to make landfall on the US coast in less than 48 hours. The storm weakened just before landfall and also increased in speed. Both contributed to the reduction in damage.
Originally posted by nsbca7:
There is a differnce between caution and panic. |
You're absolutely right.
Caution is having a solid disaster plan in place, and being prepared to follow it in a calm and orderly manner once the order is given by officials. At that point, the other motorists on the road are probably mostly similarly-prepared individuals who realize they have plenty of time to get where they are going.
Panic is what happens when an unprepared individual ignores the warnings until it is possibly too late, then leaves without a plan in place. These are the people who hit the traffic with no time to spare, and then take unnecessary risks to try to get through it.
-Terry
Message edited by author 2005-08-28 12:54:03.
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08/28/2005 12:35:53 PM · #47 |
| I hope that everyone in Hurrican Katrina's path stays safe! Be careful out there! |
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08/28/2005 12:38:47 PM · #48 |
| After working with folks in Florida on Frances, getting caught in Jeanne and seeing all the damage of the two 3s. If its over 130mph I'd get at least 60 miles from the ne corner of the eye. |
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08/28/2005 01:48:16 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Only one Category 5 hurricane has hit the US coast in the last century, and that was 1969 Camille, which killed 143 people and injured almost 9,000 more. Most of those were coastal residents who refused to evacuate. An additional 113 people died in Virginia due to storm-related flooding.
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Just FYI...According to the Associated Press, three Category 5 hurricanes have hit the United States since record-keeping began. The last was 1992's Hurricane Andrew, which leveled parts of South Florida, killed 43 people and caused $31 billion in damage. The other two were the 1935 Labor Day hurricane that hit the Florida Keys and killed 600 people and Hurricane Camille, which devastated the Mississippi coast in 1969, killing 256. |
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08/28/2005 01:52:24 PM · #50 |
| I hope things go ok in New Orleans! Might be wishful thinking on my part, but good luck! |
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