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08/25/2005 01:21:10 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Originally posted by SJCarter:
Originally posted by Riponlady:
OK, I can't spell what I am but it appears I am a Unitarian Universalist ( which generally covers all bases, with strong leanings towards liberal quakers and new Age - oh and can anyone tell me where I find a Mahayanan Buddist church???
Before next Sunday!
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Wow! Looks like we're in the same boat! If you find one first, let me know - I'll do the same! =D |
Me too! I'll meet you there. |
Let me know about air schedules - or are we just going to meditate/levitate there on a higher level?
Anyway I'll bring the apple pie for after if someone will bring the homemade lemonade!!
(Heavens I hope this doesn't offend anyone!!!)
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PS We could have a DPC meet up and get a picture of the shoes at the doorway! |
Found that I belong here too...So is alchohol permitted?
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08/25/2005 01:27:53 PM · #52 |
Interesting site!
1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (97%)
Has made me think a little. This website mixes some philosophical treatments with organised religions in its analysis.
I am very comfortable with a construction of the world that does not encompass the supernatural: I did not really think of it as a "belief", as very little of it requires interpretation (beyond a post-Descartian acceptance that the world exists) and certainly not by any book or word to which more than ordinary status is attributed. I think that this is more of a philosophical approach, than a belief.
If I were to decide to believe in a supernatural force, it would have to be of the most generic and inclusive forms, as no religion appears to be able to deal with the existence of other religions except by claiming some form of unsubstantiable primacy. I find it very hard to accept that any religion, or set of tenets, has more validity than any other (with few exceptions: Scientology is not really a religion as much as a cult and a financially motivated scam). If I were to feel that there was some mystery that needed to be explained supernaturally, I am not sure that I could genuinely differentiate between the various religions and pick the right one. Where a person adopts one religion over another, it appears to occur by accident of family tradition or circumstance, rarely any informed thought process.
I cannot understand how thinking people can reach a belief system more organised than atheism, agnosticism, or at the very most, some basic level of deism.
Do others feel the reverse (ie it is incomprehensible that someone could fail to believe in what is the valid religion, obviously correct to the exclusion of all others)? Or are people who believe in an organised religion generally aware that their religion is one of many, and subject to doubts that can only be overcome by blind belief, or an unwillingness to question one's belief?
I don't mean to come across as too provocative, it is just that I would be interested to know how people reach an unquestionable belief in one religion over another, when the whole thing is an enigma (and anathema) to me. Also - don't wish to be converted, read quotes from holy books, or debate one religion over another, but would be interested in understanding without criticising (at least in this thread!!) how others come to believe.
Message edited by author 2005-08-25 13:33:00.
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08/25/2005 01:55:32 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
My results:
1. Reform Judaism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (99%)
3. Neo-Pagan (98%)
4. Jainism (94%)
5. Liberal Quakers (92%)
6. Mahayana Buddhism (89%)
7. Bahá'à Faith (85%)
8. Orthodox Judaism (82%)
9. Sikhism (82%)
10. New Age (76%)
11. Islam (75%)
12. Theravada Buddhism (72%)
13. Secular Humanism (67%)
14. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (66%)
15. Hinduism (65%)
16. Orthodox Quaker (55%)
17. Taoism (51%)
18. New Thought (50%)
19. Scientology (46%)
20. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (45%)
21. Nontheist (45%)
22. Jehovah's Witness (39%)
23. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (35%)
24. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (28%)
25. Seventh Day Adventist (22%)
26. Eastern Orthodox (13%)
27. Roman Catholic (13%) |
We both must have pushed the same buttons.
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08/25/2005 02:16:54 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by legalbeagle:
Do others feel the reverse (ie it is incomprehensible that someone could fail to believe in what is the valid religion, obviously correct to the exclusion of all others)? Or are people who believe in an organised religion generally aware that their religion is one of many, and subject to doubts that can only be overcome by blind belief, or an unwillingness to question one's belief?
I don't mean to come across as too provocative, it is just that I would be interested to know how people reach an unquestionable belief in one religion over another, when the whole thing is an enigma (and anathema) to me. Also - don't wish to be converted, read quotes from holy books, or debate one religion over another, but would be interested in understanding without criticising (at least in this thread!!) how others come to believe. |
This is such a good discussion starter...great questions!
I wish I had time to post answers that are well thought out but the quick version is this:
I certainly don't think it's incomprehensible that people don't believe a particular religion...in fact, I'm always in doubt about things myself.
That being said, I find it very hard to believe that people go through life without a suspicion that something else is going on. Some suspicion that there must be more than this...a suspicion that is aroused every time you listen to certain music (for me it's Sigur Ros, Mogwai, Explosions in the Sky, etc.) or everytime you wish that you could somehow communicate how much you love someone or how sad you are or how happy you are but words simply aren't enough...or everytime you wake up after dreaming things that can't be described, things that drip with otherworldliness that is almost tangible...or after wanting to fall in love so badly it hurts and just knowing that you need love and you need to love but how? ...or if you've ever done drugs, that short feeling of ecstacy that feels so perfect yet you know it's a plastic version of something better... there are more examples, but i find so many things that give me hope of something better, something more complete.
So how did I reach my belief in the Messiah of Judeo-Christian tradition? That's a longer story, one designed to be discussed over beer and over weeks and years. It's more about how I'm changing and how I truly believe that humans need rescuing...long story of how I came to believe but to explain it here would be the equivalent of explaining on paper why I love my wife.
I am now a different person, that I do know. The depression I felt does not go away overnight because I somehow cradled myself with the thought that there is a God. Real change happened in my spirit. I'm convinced of that.
But there is always doubt about who and how and I always wonder... |
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08/25/2005 02:26:50 PM · #55 |
And I believe that human's need to take responsibility for themselves, and not to be rescued. To me, that's a scary thought. Coming at it from the opposite end.
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
It's more about how I'm changing and how I truly believe that humans need rescuing... |
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08/25/2005 02:42:32 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
And I believe that human's need to take responsibility for themselves, and not to be rescued. To me, that's a scary thought. Coming at it from the opposite end.
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
It's more about how I'm changing and how I truly believe that humans need rescuing... |
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Like I said....beer....weeks....years....I don't want to get into a discussion about why I believe that here but I understand what you're saying in the context that you've presented it.
I will clarify by saying that 'taking responsibility' and 'being rescued' are not mutually exclusive...in fact, they often work hand-in-hand even in this life. Not a counterpoint, just clarifying. I think that's it for me as far as this thread goes.
Message edited by author 2005-08-25 14:44:31. |
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08/25/2005 07:07:03 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by suprada:
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Originally posted by SJCarter:
Originally posted by Riponlady:
OK, I can't spell what I am but it appears I am a Unitarian Universalist ( which generally covers all bases, with strong leanings towards liberal quakers and new Age - oh and can anyone tell me where I find a Mahayanan Buddist church???
Before next Sunday!
:)
P |
Wow! Looks like we're in the same boat! If you find one first, let me know - I'll do the same! =D |
Me too! I'll meet you there. |
Let me know about air schedules - or are we just going to meditate/levitate there on a higher level?
Anyway I'll bring the apple pie for after if someone will bring the homemade lemonade!!
(Heavens I hope this doesn't offend anyone!!!)
P
PS We could have a DPC meet up and get a picture of the shoes at the doorway! |
Found that I belong here too...So is alchohol permitted? |
If it's not I'm going to start a new religion , Unitarian Universalist (drinking section, full of the holy spirit).
:)
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08/25/2005 07:50:25 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
I saw his original bit replayed on CNN last night. It's about time someone said what lots of us are thinking... |
You advocate the US assassinating democratically elected leaders of foreign nations? You also think lots of people feel this way? |
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08/25/2005 09:02:23 PM · #59 |
This was fascinating...I had done this same quiz a year or so ago, and don't recall the results then, but I do find it interesting. I was raised as a southern baptist, with many pentecostal and spirit-filled relatives (complete with tent revivals and speaking in tongues...that stuff makes an impression on you as a kid ;). Anyway...nowadays I find myself just trying to do what I think is right and just. Thanks for reposting the link and helping me better understand myself.
1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (94%)
3. Liberal Quakers (93%)
4. Neo-Pagan (88%)
5. New Age (78%)
6. Secular Humanism (74%)
7. Theravada Buddhism (73%)
8. Bah�'� Faith (73%)
9. Reform Judaism (70%)
10. Mahayana Buddhism (68%)
11. Taoism (66%)
12. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (58%)
13. Nontheist (56%)
14. New Thought (56%)
15. Sikhism (54%)
16. Scientology (50%)
17. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (49%)
18. Orthodox Quaker (46%)
19. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (44%)
20. Jainism (44%)
21. Orthodox Judaism (39%)
22. Islam (30%)
23. Hinduism (27%)
24. Jehovah's Witness (21%)
25. Seventh Day Adventist (20%)
26. Eastern Orthodox (18%)
27. Roman Catholic (18%) |
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08/25/2005 09:16:31 PM · #60 |
1. Mainline Conservative Christian/Prodestant-100%
Cool
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08/25/2005 09:34:08 PM · #61 |
ok i took the belief test and i am Sikhism? never even heard of it!
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08/25/2005 09:38:38 PM · #62 |
1. Eastern Orthodox (100%)
2. Roman Catholic (100%)
3. Orthodox Quaker (81%)
well.. that sounds about right.. cool test. really makes you think about what you believe |
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08/25/2005 09:45:50 PM · #63 |
I have a question???? I believe in God because i was taught to do so. I honestly believe he is true, But what makes us believe in something we have never encountered or seen?
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08/25/2005 09:46:02 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
ok i took the belief test and i am Sikhism? never even heard of it! |
It's an East Indian Religion (India)
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08/25/2005 09:50:53 PM · #65 |
I believe it's because people feel insecure and feel the need to have a mother/father figure greater than themselves to "take care of things." It's a way of feeling you have some kind haven in troubled times when you are feeling out of control.
Originally posted by queanbeez:
I have a question???? I believe in God because i was taught to do so. I honestly believe he is true, But what makes us believe in something we have never encountered or seen? |
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08/25/2005 09:54:10 PM · #66 |
reminds me of ani difranco's lyrics... "icarus"
seems like you just
started noticing
how noticably bad things really are
and when you walked past this couple arguing
in a rolled up window
of a parked car
and all of that
gesticulated bitterness
and all of that
muffled yelling hell
its dark just starts wafting at you
like a big fury rat died
inside of that wall kinda smell
breathe like it's rolling like a cold front
thunder is thundering and lightening in tow
and your tiny little life gets
even smaller
as you heed the heaven's mighty show
and I don't mean heaven
like god-like
the animal in me knows very well
nature is our teacher, our leader, and our lover
and god is just another story that we tell
and you're trying not to grasp-not to start grasping
at straws -or sticks- or stones
just learn how to sit inside your sadness
even if you're sitting there alone
it's just like Icarus ascending
never intending to look back
nature's law and your tragic flaw
I find descending
flying into the arms of a Venus flytrap
guzzle till the buzzer stops
guzzle till the buzzer stops
guzzle till the buzzer stops
guzzle till the buzzer stops
guzzle till the buzzer stops
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08/25/2005 09:55:52 PM · #67 |
The idea of a father/mother image is far easier to grasp. The idea of 'one' is much more difficult and places way more self-responsibility on you (us)..........
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08/25/2005 10:06:09 PM · #68 |
Would you please explain a little more? How does the concept of one god place more responsibility on us? I used that word earlier in this thread.
Originally posted by azoychka:
The idea of a father/mother image is far easier to grasp. The idea of 'one' is much more difficult and places way more self-responsibility on you (us).......... |
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08/25/2005 10:13:19 PM · #69 |
'One' is (my opinion of course) the concept of one God, and, of us, together, as 'one'. Which places us more central to all that happens or doesn't.
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08/25/2005 10:38:03 PM · #70 |
Not sure I'm following you here. Are you saying that the concept of one god translates to each and every person having god in them and that we have the power to create our lives?
Originally posted by azoychka:
'One' is (my opinion of course) the concept of one God, and, of us, together, as 'one'. Which places us more central to all that happens or doesn't. |
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08/26/2005 12:25:42 AM · #71 |
There is my top 3....it doesn't suprise me. I am a United Methodist and my church is strong on Wesleyan Doctorine. Anyways, gotta go...it is 1230 and I have a busy day tomorrow.
1. Orthodox Quaker (100%)
2. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (89%)
3. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (87%)
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08/26/2005 12:48:39 AM · #72 |
Guess I am the Wiccan here or Druid... not really sure...
hmmmm guess I need to buy a book or something
1. New Age (100%)
2. Neo-Pagan (99%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (94%)
4. Liberal Quakers (89%)
5. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (85%)
6. Mahayana Buddhism (80%)
7. New Thought (72%)
8. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (72%)
9. Bahá'à Faith (69%)
10. Theravada Buddhism (66%)
11. Scientology (61%)
12. Secular Humanism (60%)
13. Reform Judaism (59%)
14. Hinduism (57%)
15. Taoism (56%)
16. Jainism (47%)
17. Sikhism (46%)
18. Orthodox Quaker (44%)
19. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (40%)
20. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (35%)
21. Orthodox Judaism (35%)
22. Nontheist (33%)
23. Jehovah's Witness (31%)
24. Islam (25%)
25. Seventh Day Adventist (21%)
26. Eastern Orthodox (13%)
27. Roman Catholic (13%)
Message edited by author 2005-08-26 00:55:01. |
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08/26/2005 12:48:40 AM · #73 |
It may be that all is one and one is all.......
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08/26/2005 01:00:40 AM · #74 |
OMG I just relized ... I have something in common with Tom Cruise...
Scientology (61%)
It ...it cant be
This site is bogus...
It has been discredited !
wow
Message edited by author 2005-08-26 01:03:05. |
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08/26/2005 04:45:41 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
And I believe that human's need to take responsibility for themselves, and not to be rescued. To me, that's a scary thought. Coming at it from the opposite end. |
It's easy to say that being a Christian (or I guess any other religion for that matter)is not taking responsibility for themselves. I see it from the other end to you - I realise all the bad things that I amd others are responsible for, to myself, to others, and to God, and realise that I don't live how I should. What I do realise is that the Bible tells me this is what you can expect a lot of the time from people. Not all the time, and because we are the highlight of creation we can do great things (like take some awesome photos like people show on this site all the time). God rescuing is not an absence of responsibility but a full realisation of it. Then I am free to go on living and trying to live the way I ultimately should, safe in the assurance that it's not how good or bad I am, but knowing that I am not perfect, but that God rescues imperfect people. I'm not thinking the clearest right now, but there goes. |
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