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08/17/2005 12:33:26 PM · #26 |
Nomad, I gave you a 6 during voting and left you a comment, I think there was a lot of skewed voting in this challenge. I wouldn't take it personally. It is a killer shot and you should be proud of it.
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08/17/2005 12:47:28 PM · #27 |
Here's the winning image:
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=213464
A total of 2 "1's" ...
Somtimes I get the feeling that when a person is receiving lower scores than they themselves expected ... the perpetuate the problem by lowering their scores, raising their expectations, and just generally being competitive and crabby!
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08/17/2005 12:54:19 PM · #28 |
It's a great photo - I gave it an 8. Perhaps some did not take the time to "look" at it?
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08/17/2005 01:21:20 PM · #29 |
Yeah, well I'm not going to be a "nice guy" and try to understand why some gave it a 1. I'll blurt it out. Because this website is open to anybody who wants to participate, and in any given population you end up with a small percentage of morons and people who sabotage others scores just hoping it might make their score look better or something.
I agree this is not a perfect picture, but it deserves a lot more than 1 if for nothing else, you got the timing perfect.
I might grade something a one if it's so out of focus I can't figure out what the heck it is. I really think that there should be a feature that shows the userids of people who voted outside the "bell shaped curve" Not because people shouldn't vote that way, but they should not be able to anonimously hurt others scores without explaining why. If you're going to vote that low, at least have the grace to say why this is so bad. |
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08/17/2005 01:27:25 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Apparently someone didn't like the shot... |
Or maybe they don't like the Navy... hey, I don't care if you're with the Taliban... but have the decency to consider the effort that went into creating an image before you vote it down because of something you didn't like that has nothing to do with the art of photography. |
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08/17/2005 01:34:26 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by nomad469:
concidering this pic just sold for 450.00 at 30X40 to a flight school. If there is something wrong I wanna fix it.
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How did you manage to sell it to a flight school? Did you have to go to them or something or did they see it for sale somewhere?
Message edited by author 2005-08-17 13:35:16. |
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08/17/2005 01:43:55 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by WhidbeyPix:
Yeah, well I'm not going to be a "nice guy" and try to understand why some gave it a 1. I'll blurt it out. Because this website is open to anybody who wants to participate, and in any given population you end up with a small percentage of morons and people who sabotage others scores just hoping it might make their score look better or something.
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Sadly, I have to agree. I see it on other sites as well.
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08/17/2005 01:48:14 PM · #33 |
| We also have people whos language isnt English, who may have given it a one thinking one is a good score rather than the worst ... |
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08/17/2005 02:06:48 PM · #34 |
Well THAT explains a lot of my scores then! ;^)
Originally posted by di53:
We also have people whos language isnt English, who may have given it a one thinking one is a good score rather than the worst ... |
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08/17/2005 02:40:29 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by nomad469:
I am just very curious...
except for the brown border (that was a mistake)
why would this be voted a 1 or 2....
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There are several things that could be mentioned to justify a low score. Some have already been stated such as the border color, crabbiness of some voters and simple normal distribution curves. From a photographic image perspective, If I was being critical of this image I would find that the lack of any geometric impact within the frame worked against the photo. IOW, the line of the runway, the trees, powerlines and angle of approach/takeoff all work against each other rather than in concert. The partially opened landing gear further confuses the eye on which line to "see". The placement of the plane against the treeline does not help differentiate the plane from the background and instead in this duotone, actually inhibits the separation of the plane from the background. The amount of sky above the plane has little value to the overall frame and the plane is centered in the frame violating the rule of 3rds. It is simply a capture of a plane landing/taking off, with a disturbing background from a rather uninteresting perspective. Had I voted on this image I likely would have given it an average of either a 5 or a 6.
For someone trying to critique this photo on "impact", then the above would be my thoughts.
Lastly, I personally would'nt give a care what anyone thought, as long as the customer was happy and paying. Congrats on the sale. Hope the customer receives much enjoyment from this work. It is a testament of your sincere intentions to evaluate the sale and consider the customers "value".
Message edited by author 2005-08-17 14:43:30. |
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08/17/2005 10:52:51 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
If you don't understand normal distribution, please do not complain about 1s. |
read the posts before you fire arrows dude... I wasn't complaining... I was just asking for info...
stop trying to start something that isn't there...
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08/17/2005 11:04:28 PM · #37 |
i gave you a 9... i thought it was a great shot... reminded me of the war... the border doesn't bother me at all.. to be quite honest, i don't think i seen it....
don't worry bout the low voters.... they are obvioulsy very unhappy people, and i wouldn't trade my life for there's for anything......
keep up your great work...
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08/17/2005 11:07:12 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Flash:
From a photographic image perspective, If I was being critical of this image I would find that the lack of any geometric impact within the frame worked against the photo. IOW, the line of the runway, the trees, powerlines and angle of approach/takeoff all work against each other rather than in concert. The partially opened landing gear further confuses the eye on which line to "see". The placement of the plane against the treeline does not help differentiate the plane from the background and instead in this duotone, actually inhibits the separation of the plane from the background. The amount of sky above the plane has little value to the overall frame and the plane is centered in the frame violating the rule of 3rds. It is simply a capture of a plane landing/taking off, with a disturbing background from a rather uninteresting perspective. Had I voted on this image I likely would have given it an average of either a 5 or a 6.
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It is a testament of your sincere intentions to evaluate the sale and consider the customers "value". |
Thank you Flash and everyone for the great crits...
It helps a lot !
I try hard to deliver a good value... as I said before I wanted to be sure I wasn't missing anything drastic is my post...
I have sent it off for printing with a bump in the contrast and no ugly border ;)
Thanks again... Y'all rock !
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08/17/2005 11:25:27 PM · #39 |
I will edit and say...your post did not sit real well with me.
Good luck in future contests and business ventures.
Message edited by author 2005-08-17 23:31:06. |
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08/17/2005 11:28:30 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by nomad469:
why would this be voted a 1 or 2....
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because it was taken with a nikon
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08/17/2005 11:30:43 PM · #41 |
Some people think that 1 is the top end of the scoring range?
Just because you know how to move a mouse and click on stuff on the internet doesn't mean you are smart.
Some people can't vote over their IQ... |
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08/17/2005 11:35:52 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by Fetor:
Originally posted by nomad469:
why would this be voted a 1 or 2....
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because it was taken with a nikon |
Yeah ... I couldnt get a digital back on my AE program so I had to settle...
by the way ... has canon put any thing else out worth buying ?...just wondering... ROFL...
(sorry couldn't resist !) |
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08/17/2005 11:57:42 PM · #43 |
In the particular challenge, some people were downgrading images whose title consisted of more than the 4 digits of the year. That may account for some of your low votes.
Robt.
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08/18/2005 12:16:55 AM · #44 |
| And yet 2 of the 3 ribbon winners "broke that rule" - 5 out of the top ten. I really don't think people ding'd for it with maybe a few exceptions, especially if it at least included a year. |
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08/18/2005 12:23:34 AM · #45 |
The terms "normal distribution," "bell curve," and "total idiot" seem to cover the situation.
I have frequently wondered why somebody gave me a 10. You could say the same for a 1.
Until recently, I have garnered just about every vote for each challenge. Without checking, I think I finally had one with no 1 votes (but I won't swear to it). Now I have had a challenge wherein I didn't get any 9 or 10 votes...first time ever. I'm kind of used to getting at least one of each vote. I was surprised when this pattern failed to propagate.
However, the first two terms I mentioned seem to cover the actual situation. If you look at the scores for most entries, some form of bell-shaped curve is obvious. That's just how it works. It doesn't make sense to obsess about the fringes of your curve...you'll always have the fringes. What's amazing to me is watching the consensus of the curve evolve. Given a particular image, a consensus about that image will evolve. Whether or not the consensus is valid is moot -- it's the consensus, and nothing's going to change that.
In general, the consensus has merit because you can look at the bell curve producing the consensus and see that the consensus is just that -- where the majority of people think that image belongs.
The software that ultimately scores the images (as far as I know) actually analyzes each voter's voting pattern and makes a determination as to whether the voting pattern is reasonable. In other words, if some yabo votes ones for all and sundry, that yabo's voting is dropped...it isn't used. It's not possible, of course, to spot all of the biased voting patterns, but at least the worst patterns can be detected and eliminated.
So the system works, and you might as well not worry about the extreme scores...they just don't mean anything.
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08/18/2005 11:18:54 AM · #46 |
I personally have never given a 1 or a 10 to a real image in my close to a year on the DPC.
I did give a couple of 1s to totally black or totally white images that were summited, but never to an actual image. I think that many people just dish out 1s & 10s without really thinking.
Personally I don't care if my images scores a 4 or a 7. I just want feedback. |
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