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07/23/2005 04:15:41 PM · #1 |
For all of you interested in P&S cams, check out this new monster from Panasonic, successor to the FZ20:
dpreview page
comparison with FZ20
the most dramatic upgrades in the FZ30 are 8 MP, manual Zoom, non-extending, +80% EVF & LCD resolution, flip and twist LCD. Anyone know when this is coming out? I probably won't be able to resist upgrading :D
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07/23/2005 04:26:42 PM · #2 |
| Another + over the FZ20 is the 60 sec. Shutter. The only draw back that I see is its not f/2.8 throughout the full zoom. But still the added features seems to over come that. |
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07/23/2005 04:32:54 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by peterish:
For all of you interested in P&S cams, check out this new monster from Panasonic, successor to the FZ20:
dpreview page
comparison with FZ20
the most dramatic upgrades in the FZ30 are 8 MP, manual Zoom, non-extending, +80% EVF & LCD resolution, flip and twist LCD. Anyone know when this is coming out? I probably won't be able to resist upgrading :D |
Very cool....also keeps the IS, great. It's a bit larger and heavier and goes to f/11 and a max shutter of 60 sec. cool!
It will be available in the UK in September in black only priced £549.99. Coundn't find anything about US release. The camera is on the Panasonic site.
Message edited by author 2005-07-23 16:44:36. |
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07/23/2005 04:42:31 PM · #4 |
And this new one looks nice too--pretty pocketable, yet powerful, including wide angle and 16:9 aspect ratio!
New Panasonic DMC-LX1 Compact |
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07/23/2005 04:52:56 PM · #5 |
| Will this be my next one? |
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07/23/2005 05:42:59 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
And this new one looks nice too--pretty pocketable, yet powerful, including wide angle and 16:9 aspect ratio!
New Panasonic DMC-LX1 Compact |
wow. That's pretty good. Wonder what the price will be. |
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07/23/2005 10:23:28 PM · #7 |
does the larger sensor mean there will be less noise compared to the FZ20 ?
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07/23/2005 10:28:33 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by peterish:
does the larger sensor mean there will be less noise compared to the FZ20 ? |
Possibly, but remember, it's also higher resolution (8 mpixel). Are you dissatisfied with the noise on the FZ20? That's one of the reasons I was hesitant to buy one of the panasonics (and bought the S1 instead for a P&S). |
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07/23/2005 10:29:48 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by peterish:
does the larger sensor mean there will be less noise compared to the FZ20 ? |
There's an image gallery on the review site, check it out for yourself. Wowza. Very impressive.
R.
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07/23/2005 10:57:29 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Originally posted by peterish:
does the larger sensor mean there will be less noise compared to the FZ20 ? |
Possibly, but remember, it's also higher resolution (8 mpixel). Are you dissatisfied with the noise on the FZ20? That's one of the reasons I was hesitant to buy one of the panasonics (and bought the S1 instead for a P&S). |
The noise on my FZ20 is NASTY; to the extend that I never go above ISO 200.
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07/27/2005 01:59:52 PM · #11 |
| Don't forget the improved Lieca Lens. Also the 55mm filter size makes accessories cheaper and more practical. |
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07/27/2005 03:59:26 PM · #12 |
| Amazon says order now and they will ship on 20 Sep. Cost is $699 |
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07/27/2005 07:51:51 PM · #13 |
I find the noise comes and goes - it really depends on the light quality. On an image with lots of detail, it's less obvious, but on very close inspection, it's still possible to see the interpolation artifacts. I generally shoot at ISO80 for that reason. See this thread for some example shots.
Have a look at the full size version of the first image in the FZ30 gallery - there is still noise in the sky.
I was considering upgrading to a dSLR (e.g. Canon 350D) for the following reasons:
mechanical manual focus
RAW mode
central eyepiece, true thru the lens
higher resolution sensor
However, the features I really like about the FZ20 are:
12x zoom
OIS
The FZ30 now answers most of these points, except for mechanical manual focus, but with the larger resolution TTL eyepiece, that may not be so necessary. Argh! More choice! Indecision time :)
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07/27/2005 08:44:20 PM · #14 |
The z30 does have manual focus, a ring around the lens, and a RAW mode too! I am considering it as a walkaround camera. As much as I like my SLR, consider for the $699 you are getting a 35-420mm (or thereabouts) F2.8 zoom lens with IS. That's a nice accessory for my SLR. (Though I think I recall that the z30 does not have a fixed maximum aperture like the Z20, but it's still pretty good.)
Maybe the RAW mode will address the noise. |
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07/27/2005 10:51:22 PM · #15 |
yeah the fz30 is VERY different from the 20
pros: RAW, manual zoom, better viewfinder
cons: larger body, no more fixed 2.8
I was planning on getting a SLR at the end of the summer after I've saved up enough money, but it looks like I'll settle for the fz30 if: the better viewfinder improves manual focus; and there is less noise.
Can't wait for the reviews!
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07/27/2005 10:59:15 PM · #16 |
New in the FZ30 compared to the FZ20, an interesting feature I haven't seen before is that you can select from 3 different aspect ratios, with 2, 3, or 5 quality levels.
From the specs on dpreview -
Image ratios
â€Â¢ 4:3 (default, CCD native)
â€Â¢ 3:2
â€Â¢ 16:9
Image sizes (4:3 ratio)
â€Â¢ 3264 x 2448
â€Â¢ 2560 x 1920
â€Â¢ 2048 x 1536
â€Â¢ 1600 x 1200
â€Â¢ 1280 x 960
Image sizes (3:2 ratio)
â€Â¢ 3248 x 2160
â€Â¢ 2560 x 1712
â€Â¢ 2048 x 1360
Image sizes (16:9 ratio)
â€Â¢ 3072 x 1728
â€Â¢ 1920 x 1080
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07/27/2005 11:10:40 PM · #17 |
That is one incredible camera! I wish the canon S2 would have followed in this line. I really think that the Panasonic is riding a bit on top of the Canon line in many areas. Canon is doing a nice job on their S2, but isn't pushing the envelope.
Panasonic is pushing the edges of that market really hard.
I love some of the features that are great for photographers, including the rings for zoom and focus as well as the lens being centered now over the tripod mount and FINALLY a lens with a filter thread!
Thankfully they have also included a flip out and rotate LCD screen.
It is just too bad that they feel that this is meeting the needs of consumers while they put a proprietary battery in it which will almost certainly not meet the needs of the people who really want to use this camera. I took my S2 out last weekend and took over 400 pics in one day, after taking 100 pics testing a new external slave flash the night before and have used about 1 or two hours of playback and the AA's are still going strong.
I get a real kick out of what they call "Extra Optical Zoom". At this level of cameras do they really think they are fooling people by labeling internal cropping as Extra zoom? |
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07/27/2005 11:20:06 PM · #18 |
| OK, I have to ask. Does anyone know anything about the FX8? |
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07/28/2005 03:45:02 PM · #19 |
Had a look on their website at the gallery pics...seemed to be quite noticeable noise in some of the shots!
Steve |
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07/28/2005 05:22:56 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Formerlee:
Had a look on their website at the gallery pics...seemed to be quite noticeable noise in some of the shots!
Steve |
Although there IS some noise in the gallery pics, it's a very good level for P&S cameras, much less than the FZ20 for sure. The images also appear sharper...a better lens I guess.
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07/30/2005 11:55:52 PM · #21 |
Regarding the different aspect ratios, notice that there is a physical sensor involved here. You will not really get anything more with a different aspect ratio. All you are getting is pre-cropped shots.
You can do the same thing in even the cheapest of computer photo editors.
The pixels in your individual shots never changes. |
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08/10/2005 08:40:01 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Formerlee:
Had a look on their website at the gallery pics...seemed to be quite noticeable noise in some of the shots!
Steve |
I will am likley to buy the FZ-30 because I want to take phots of my son racing his small racing sailboat. The FZ-30 promises a bit smaller package, a bit lighter package especially when long zooming, and cheaper stabilization, no need to take other lens, or maybe just one extra lens and a small one at that, and lower cost.
But I don't think small CCDs compete with large size CCDs in more than 100 speeds until they have much much greater resolution. I don't think 35mm people need to be worried about that. Who knows they may never compete, although higher resolution CCDs in digicams do show less noise. Still it will be interesting in 10 years to see whether the average small CCD is 64 million pixels (doubling every 3 years) whether a small CCD can compete for quality at higher speeds than a big in size 6MB CCD.
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