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07/21/2005 12:08:20 PM · #26 |
technoshroom, I totally agree with you. We have the family of scum from hell living next door to us. Their dog poos in our garden and the kids leave their junk lying everywhere. Their garden looks like it's been hit by a bomb. Several times I've nearly run the youngest girl down, pity that I missed her. The teenage daughters have mouths on them that need washed out with soap and the mother is a troll. The son has parties at the weekend when his parents are out and his friends have beaten him up at the end of the night. The father goes to the pub most nights and either forgets his keys, or the troll locks him out.
It's gotten to the point that if there's poo in my garden, I knock on their door and ask them to lift it. The teenage daughter goes mad when I do that hee hee as she is the one that has to pick it up. There should readily be an estate where child free adults can live in peace and quiet. The summer holidays were invented by the devil! |
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07/21/2005 12:48:32 PM · #27 |
how about a retirement community :)
Originally posted by muggle_girl:
There should readily be an estate where child free adults can live in peace and quiet. |
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07/21/2005 01:04:40 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by muggle_girl:
The summer holidays were invented by the devil! |
No they were invented to give us poor teachers a rest from the little darlings! You only have them for the holidays- we have them for terms at a time! And more than just one family of them! Mind you I woukdn't loke to live next to the troll and SO!
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07/21/2005 01:22:41 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
how about a retirement community :)
Originally posted by muggle_girl:
There should readily be an estate where child free adults can live in peace and quiet. |
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now that's an idea. If we could buy a retirement home whilst we're in our 30's then that'd be great, but generally, you need to be retired before you can get that privilege. (",) |
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07/21/2005 01:24:15 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Originally posted by muggle_girl:
The summer holidays were invented by the devil! |
No they were invented to give us poor teachers a rest from the little darlings! You only have them for the holidays- we have them for terms at a time! And more than just one family of them! Mind you I woukdn't loke to live next to the troll and SO!
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yeah but you can punish them if they're bad. (",) If my neighbours kids are bad, I get a mouthful from the parents and the kids! Bring back corporal punishment and the days when your neighbours looked out for your kids to make sure they weren't up to anything bad.... |
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07/21/2005 01:44:33 PM · #31 |
| Summer vacation was invented because there was no point in trying to run a school when the kids were all out helping bring in the wheat or corn crop ... |
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07/21/2005 01:52:47 PM · #32 |
Hmmm... I wonder if you could write something into the CC&Rs here in California and have it be legal. Something like you must be between the ages of 30 and 65 or just above 30 to live in this neighborhood. Even though I'm pretty sure I would eventually want a rug rat of my own I would move into a community like that right now.
I just don't understand what passes for parenting around here. I've seen kids in diapers walking down the sidewalk by themselves. Who the hell let's a child that young walk around unattended? I know this is probably cultural but I just don't think it's right to let them run around that young by themselves or being "watched over" by their five or six year old sibling.
There's a supermarket a little over a block away. I like to walk down there since I'm usually sitting all day. As I cut through an alley between some apartment buildings, I walked past a whole pack of kids playing in the dumpsters. The oldest must have been like 10. One was smacking another on the head with some bit of rubbish he found and another was half wearing, half eating, a popsicle that I only hope he didn't find in there. I couldn't help but sigh and mutter, bunch of savages around here. When I got to the supermarket I head over to the produce to find a woman bagging up some apples while her three kids are engaged in a grape fight. She looks over without any change in expression, grabs a few more apples then proceeds off to the vegetables. I guess the three had enough of throwing them because they just stomped the grapes that hadn't rolled to the other side of the store into the floor and ran after mom. Seriously, what the hell is that? Again, couldn't help but muttering, bunch of f'ing savages around here.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the parents in my neighborhood would allow children to sit in a car honking the horn for two hours if they allow such behavior to occur in their immediate presence.
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07/21/2005 01:55:23 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by muggle_girl:
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Originally posted by muggle_girl:
The summer holidays were invented by the devil! |
No they were invented to give us poor teachers a rest from the little darlings! You only have them for the holidays- we have them for terms at a time! And more than just one family of them! Mind you I woukdn't loke to live next to the troll and SO!
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yeah but you can punish them if they're bad. (",) If my neighbours kids are bad, I get a mouthful from the parents and the kids! Bring back corporal punishment and the days when your neighbours looked out for your kids to make sure they weren't up to anything bad.... |
When did you last go into a school? Punish them ? no we are meant to understand their deep rooted problems and traumas caused by the additives, media corruption, disfunctional families and suchlike!!! We must also discuss their behaviour with them at length, never tell them they have failed something and raise their self-esteem!!
Why not try discussing the behaviour of these children with them ? Perhaps you will escape with only a mouthful of abuse!!! But please remember you mustn't direspect them!
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07/21/2005 01:57:14 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by muggle_girl:
Originally posted by queanbeez:
how about a retirement community :)
Originally posted by muggle_girl:
There should readily be an estate where child free adults can live in peace and quiet. |
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now that's an idea. If we could buy a retirement home whilst we're in our 30's then that'd be great, but generally, you need to be retired before you can get that privilege. (",) |
I read an article recently saying if you are related to a person in a retiement home, you can live with them. Some 'quarter life crisis' people apparently are moving back in with their parent(s) who had moved to a retirement home, and as long as one of the tenants is over 65 or whatever the age limit is, the other (younger) person can stay there as well.
So, just adopt a senior and you've got youreself a retirement home! :D |
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07/21/2005 01:59:05 PM · #35 |
You know, to paint all children with the same broad brush because of a few experiences is pretty darn prejudiced.
Also, kids are, by definition, not responsible. THEY are not doing anything "wrong" -- as some people have mentioned, it is the parents who seem to be lacking in socialization. |
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07/21/2005 02:11:58 PM · #36 |
We actually invite all of the neighborhood kids to our house. I have three boys and I want them playing with their friends where I can keep an eye on what they are doing. We sometimes have 10-15 kids in our yard playing, for hours, and no other parents are anywhere to be found! If my kids were 'missing' for 2-3 hours, I'd be pretty worried. These other parents don't even know where their kids are, what they are doing, when they will come home, etc! I don't want my kids playing at their house. My wife and I go out and skateboard with them, ride bikes, have water fights, etc. We are the 'cool' parents in the neighborhood. We also serve Kool Aid, cookies, etc. We want our house to be the 'center of the universe' in our neighborhood, because I don't trust the other parents to properly supervise my kids if they were to play at other houses in the neighborhood. It takes time on our part, and it is always noisy, but with three boys, we are used to noise.
If any kids act inappropriately, we send them home and they can't come back for a few days. Now that the kids in the neighborhood know our rules, we rarely have a problem. I sometimes notice the kids acting inappropriately elsewhere on the block, but never at my house.
It works for us. And, I get to play sports, ride bikes and skateboards, shoot BB guns, etc. It is sort of like a second childhood! It sure beats watching TV and getting fat! ...and, I always know what my kids are doing.
JD
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07/21/2005 03:04:20 PM · #37 |
TechnoShroom, I understand where you are coming from. I think however it is the parents (or lack of parenting) which you should hate. I can't believe the crap that kids get away with doing these days. I know if I acted like that when I was a kid I would be spending most of my days in my room, most likely standing up! These days, it seems that parents are more concerned with being friends with their kids as opposed to being parents. They don't want to discipline their kids for fear of not being liked. Kids also used to learn respect or get discipline at school. These days, teachers get fired or worse for trying to keep order in their classrooms.
Below is a (lack of) parenting example I would like to share:
On July 4th we went to the Beach in Monterey to watch fireworks. I had a small barbecue setup on some large rocks near where we were sitting. A family with 5 kids, the oldest one about 7, moves in next to us and the kids start climbing all over the rocks and jumping next the the BBQ. Fearing that someone would get burned, I tell the parents that the BBQ is quite hot and the kids should stay away. The parent nods, tells the kids BBQ is hot and goes back to their conversation ignoring the kids completely. When the 3 year old climbed up next the the BBQ, I moved it to the grass near us since the parents obviously were too busy to watch them. 15 minutes later, they start their own BBQ. They had some trouble lighting it, so the "Grandfather" takes a cup of lighter fluid and throws it on the coals. 3 of the kids are standing right next to it and have to jump back each time he throws a cup of fluid on it. The police actually witness this and tell them to stop. Well, another 30 minutes pass and three of the kids are now wandering around with sticks lit on fire, waving them all over. The 3 year old at this time is lighting a Tupperware lid on fire in the coals. Do I think they are "rotten kids"? No, I think they have rotten parents! Being a father, I would do anything to keep my daughter safe. My wife and I do our best to teach her how to be a respectful, yet independent young person. It's a lot harder to do when half of the kids she goes to school with are parented by Sponge Bob Square Pants, or CatDog, etc. (No offense to SBSP, I like him, just not as a parental model) Again I see I have gotten on my soapbox.... I just wish there were requirements to being a parent, other than having the equipment to produce offspring.
TechnoShroom, I feel for you, just don't hate the kids, they are a product of their environment. I would suggest talking to the parents, but I bet most of them are too busy with their own lives to listen to what you have to say, let alone taking time to talk to their kids.
--v Stepping off soapbox and putting it in closet for awhile. Good luck!
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07/21/2005 03:47:51 PM · #38 |
Our next door neighbours - they have 3 children 2 boys, 1 girl. Girl is ok cos she is only about 12 months old.
Boys - 1 is ok the other one is another matter. He constantly throws rubbish/toys/junk over the 6 foot fence. Most of it ends up in my fishpond. We used to throw the toys back - but that just seemed to make it worse, we would get twice as much back over. Now we just put anything thats thrown over in the dustbin.
His mother - has the voice of a thousand beasts bellowing in the night - and a mouth that produces the most foul language I have heard since I left the forces.
His dad - he is ok but is too soft and spends most of his time in his shed hiding from his wife.
I dont blame the boy - its the way he is being brought up. He has recently started school and is having bad problems there. Its not suprising when I have heard the mother shout at him ''...I wish I had never fu**ing had you'' or ''...no I dont fu**ing love you, I hate you''
What chance has he got? None.
The mother was in the same situation when she was growing up so she knows nothing better.
Not all children are the same - I have even meet some polite and charming ones - honest!
I have observed the same behaviour in supermarkets as others have - some parents just dont seem to care if their child is running around being a pest and making peoples shopping trips a nightmare.
I know times have changed and in this country if you were to smack your child in public you would most likely be reported to the social services.
We have 2 'children' a daughter of 24 and a son of 22. Yes, we did smack them, yes we did tell them off when they did things they were not supposed to do or misbehaved. Have they grown up worse for that - I dont think so and by the comments we had when they were growing up from people that they are so polite and well behaved and a credit to us. They still are well behaved and a credit to us. I am so proud of them. We never had any problems with them during their teen years or before or since.
TechnoStorm, Muggle Girl - you have my sympathy for what you are going through.
Mike
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07/21/2005 03:55:09 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by muggle_girl:
... Their dog poos in our garden ...
It's gotten to the point that if there's poo in my garden, I knock on their door and ask them to lift it. The teenage daughter goes mad when I do that hee hee as she is the one that has to pick it up. |
We has some actually nice neighbors that the only problem was they would let their lab poop on our yard and leave it, no I admit that we don't clean up after our little tiny dog but we also make sure she is in OUR yard. One day my wife got tired of the piles building up so she went out with a shovel and scooped it all over onto their yard. Weird but it stopped for a long time.
As for the kids, it is a terrible shame how a lot of kids get away with stuff because the parents simply don't care (or don't want to stunt the kids imagination and freedom-love that excuse). I am blessed to have come into a family where my step-daughter was raised with good Christian values and doesn't let others influence her behavior. She has been around many kids in other groups and once the misbehaving started she was gone, and usually lets an adult know that she felt their behavior was wrong. Parents don't understand that you CAN correct your child AND still have a good relationship. Heck I grew up with the belt on my butt more than once and I learned from it quickly.
I also learned from watching my sibliings...by the way, if you have a dad like mine, DON'T EVER RAISE YOUR HAND TO YOUR MOTHER. I still don't think my dad touched the ground when he came across the room at my brother for doing that. ;) Some people do tend to get carried away with spankings and they turn in to beatings and abuse, there is a line there that should be watched closely and not crossed.
There is an old saying "be nice to your kids, they will be the ones picking your nursing home", the parents of these misbehaved children are gonna find out REAL soon that their nursing home is gonna be about as good as their parenting was.
Good luck techno I'd hate to see anyone have to put a six foot electric fence around their house but it seems like that would help you...hey or a big dog!
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07/21/2005 04:13:53 PM · #40 |
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07/21/2005 04:37:50 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by MikeOwens:
I dont blame the boy - its the way he is being brought up. He has recently started school and is having bad problems there. Its not suprising when I have heard the mother shout at him ''...I wish I had never fu**ing had you'' or ''...no I dont fu**ing love you, I hate you''
What chance has he got? None.
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Verbal abuse is still abuse and could be reported as such to child services...
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07/21/2005 05:35:28 PM · #42 |
Sounds to me like a good theme for a challenge: Neighbors!
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07/21/2005 07:02:18 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
At one point there were 17 kids out there tonight like a roving band of baby Hell's Angels on bicycles and big wheels. They must be busing them in from other areas. |
That and some of the other quotes in this thread have been really funny! I've been LOL! I think I would go insane with kids like that around. I worked in a high school for 5 years and that completely confirmed what I already felt...I NEVER want kids! There were some really good kids but they sure seemed few and far between. Most all of them have mouths, they are disrespectful, and they don't care about anything that matters...unless it matters to them. They'd rather talk on their cell phones, race down the street, drink and do drugs...and have sex.
I worked in attendance while at the school and it was unbelievable how many parents would lie for their kids. The kids would call home (from cell or pay phone) and tell their parents they wanted to go home. Then the parents would call me and ask to have them excused...especially if they were in suspension/detention. Kids would bring in forged notes and the parents would say, "Yea, that's true, I wrote that. Johnny really was at the doctors"...even when we would see them out driving around while we were on lunch.
Someone above got it right, parents are too busy trying to be friends rather than parents. So many parents are in denial about what their kids are doing. "Oh, my kids would never drink/have sex/do drugs/(fill in the blank)" The parents that think that are typically in for a surprise.
Luckily I live in the country and don't have to deal with close neighbors. I can't even see our closest neighbor...but occasionally do hear them. Like when they let the grandkids shoot target practice at 6:00am on Saturday and Sunday mornings. >8-$ Then there's the bartender bimbo down the road that loves to blare her music, whether she's home or not. (We can still hear it with the tv on.) My father is convinced she's practicing to be a pole dancer...but hey, at least there are no gremlins (a.k.a. evil kids) like yours in the neighborhood...
As for your problems, TechnoSchroom... How about calling the cops while the cuties are on your property and/or climbing all over your truck? I like the big dog idea, except if the dog did hurt the child(ren) you'd be in trouble even though the little brats were on your land. How about recording a big dog bark and telling the kids that you now have a pitbull. Tell them the original owners had to get rid of it because it ate one of their neighbor's kids...? The manure idea is good too. Or, wait for the kids to get in your truck and get out the power washer to clean your truck and 'accidentally' power wash the kids? |
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07/21/2005 07:27:08 PM · #44 |
why are you complaining about children ? I doubt that you behaved any better when you were kids ;)
I live in a very short street, there are 3 kindergarten schools in the street so at any given time there are over 200 kids within 300 feets of my house, there is a playground about 15 feets from my backdoor witch is full of children all the time if the weather is good, and I also have the police station just oposite my apartement, about 300 feets away, and I have the biggest apartement building in the country about 500 feets away, with 256 apartements and over 500 children living there. and my neighbourhood is the biggest apartement area in the country, over 20.000 people living in a very small area, and most of the inhabitants are children, there are over 20 kindergarten schools within 5 minutes walk of my home :)
I am not complaining, I have a 4 year old boy and a 2 year old girl myself, and I just love playing with them, even if they can be really loud sometime :)
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07/22/2005 09:34:43 AM · #45 |
| If they are in your yard and you don't want them there turn on the sprinklers they usually don't like that unless they don't mind getting wet on a hot day, or get some beware of dog signs, better yet get a pet skunk ... don't like them in your truck get a car alarm .. sure it might go off every once in a while but after a couple of times they will give up. Short of chasing them around carrying a chainsaw or a shot gun it is always fun to find ways of getting rid of unwanted pests. |
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07/22/2005 10:20:26 AM · #46 |
i'd just go kick the parents in the teeth :)
Originally posted by sowise:
If they are in your yard and you don't want them there turn on the sprinklers they usually don't like that unless they don't mind getting wet on a hot day, or get some beware of dog signs, better yet get a pet skunk ... don't like them in your truck get a car alarm .. sure it might go off every once in a while but after a couple of times they will give up. Short of chasing them around carrying a chainsaw or a shot gun it is always fun to find ways of getting rid of unwanted pests. |
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07/22/2005 11:23:33 AM · #47 |
[quote=queanbeez] i'd just go kick the parents in the teeth :)
im with u on this qeanbeez..its the parents they f@#ck it up (in some cases its the circumstances ofcourse)
all children are basically okay imo !
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07/22/2005 04:33:55 PM · #48 |
| I think when it's kids at the age of about 10 and upwards that do wrong things, then they should know that it's wrong. I've brought my daugter up to respect other people, pity other people didn't think the same way. |
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07/22/2005 05:02:37 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by DanSig:
why are you complaining about children ? I doubt that you behaved any better when you were kids ;)
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I am not complaining, I have a 4 year old boy and a 2 year old girl myself, and I just love playing with them, even if they can be really loud sometime :) |
Children running around in the yard next door yelling and fighting:
The parents hear: Nothing. They have the windows closed and the air conditioning on.
The neighbors hear: Every little whiny, complaintive, nasty thing they say to each other.
Children playing in the oversized, inflatable pool their grandparents installed for the 10-12 grandchildren who visit on the weekends:
The parents hear: Nothing. They dropped the kids off and went shopping.
The grandparents hear: The delightful little voices of their grandkids...because they went deaf long ago raising their own children.
The neighbors hear everything from a whisper to a scream echo resoundingly off the water and carry far to the next block.
Children shrieking for hours on end as they play in the street and taunt the drivers trying to safely navigate past them:
The parents hear: The sound of safety--they know where the kids are and they know it's nothing serious.
The neighbors hear: Obnoxious interruptions to their peaceful weekend. They do not hear the soft tones of Bach's Sonata. They do not hear the answer to the Jeopardy question. They do not hear the quiet murmur of the trees and the songs of birds. They do not hear their own thoughts.
Why do we complain? Because we haven't lost our hearing or our sensibilities.
Were we just as bad as children? Of course. And our parents sent us off to the playground, told us to keep it down, brought us inside when we couldn't control ourselves and sent us to bed at a reasonable hour.
Of course, back then, most of us actually had parents and not just people who happened to give birth to us in charge of our upbringing....
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07/22/2005 05:30:49 PM · #50 |
Do you have an owner's association? We do here and when some of the kids get out of hand it gets addressed. We have a small neighborhood 88 homes on 88 acres, and when the kids get out of line I talk to them and if that does not work I march them to thier house and let the parents know what is going on. I also expect any of my neighbors' to do the same if my kids get out of line.
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