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 06/15/2005 01:51:04 PM · #51
Originally posted by darkyoda:
I like having the thumbs. As I go through and try and give each image that comes up a score I think it deserves. A lot of times due to images before or the image it's self I have a hard time finding where I want to score it.

The thumbs are great for me to go back through later and re-adjust images with hopefully a clearer understanding of the image.


Note that in the suggestions, the thumbnails would be available for images you've already voted on.
 06/15/2005 05:00:06 PM · #52
I like the idea of not being able to see thumbs until after you have voted on that image. I also like the idea to revise the voting page to reduce, or eliminate, the need for scrolling to see the entire image.

The third suggestion, to require monitor calibration, I think is very good intentioned but may be problematic in implementation. You wouldn't want to wind up with a smaller number of voters no matter how perfectly their monitors matched. Some people are using older monitors, or laptops, that just won't calibrate up to 100% of a more stringent test.
06/15/2005 05:05:46 PM · #53
Originally posted by coolhar:
I like the idea of not being able to see thumbs until after you have voted on that image. I also like the idea to revise the voting page to reduce, or eliminate, the need for scrolling to see the entire image.

The third suggestion, to require monitor calibration, I think is very good intentioned but may be problematic in implementation. You wouldn't want to wind up with a smaller number of voters no matter how perfectly their monitors matched. Some people are using older monitors, or laptops, that just won't calibrate up to 100% of a more stringent test.
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I see your point Harvey. However there must be a happy medium on the calibration issue. For example, I was on the laptop once and my husband had turned the screen lightness way down. Computer dummy that I am, I didn't even realize it. Had I been voting on the darkness challenge, I would have definitely missed a lot.

Isn't there a way for people to at least test their monitors and make sure they aren't extremely out of whack?
 06/15/2005 05:10:06 PM · #54
Yup - they can go to one of these site:

Calibrate Monitor

Monitor Calibration
 06/15/2005 05:15:35 PM · #55
Thanks JB. Our monitor is calibrated, but I am going to test it on these websites. That's very helpful. I hope everyone who isn't sure about theirs does this.
 06/15/2005 05:18:04 PM · #56
An interesting "test" is the animated test pattern on this page. From that page: "A top quality monitor using an excellent calibration system can show the difference between levels 0 and 1. Average monitors will not show any increase in output until level 5 to 8. If you do not see anything until level 11 or 12, either your monitor needs to be calibrated again using a higher black point or your ambient lighting is too bright."

Also check out these gradients to check for neutrality and smoothness (lack of banding). "The ideal is smooth gradients from black to white with no banding. A top-notch monitor that is well calibrated can produce this."
 06/15/2005 05:21:48 PM · #57
Like many suggestions, who knows whether it will happen or not. I'm figuring likely not or possibly in a year. This flavor of discussion arises time and time again and it could likely spur action a bit faster faster if these things were surveyed as they arise. Last survey I recall was the CRT vs LCD monitor survey. Well, how about surveying a greater number of issues like this one. It is a heck of alot more efficient to create a survey question than it is too have a multitude of people rant the same issue into a suggestion box. Rule number one of business is to know what your market wants. Well the market is speaking out pretty loud time and time again. A simple ongoing survey tab up top may help expedite alot of the issues we all gripe about.

Oh yeah, by the way, the elimination of the thumbs prior to voting is very sensible and doesn't appear to present any real downside.
 06/15/2005 05:21:51 PM · #58
Originally posted by EddyG:
An interesting "test" is the animated test pattern on this page. From that page: "A top quality monitor using an excellent calibration system can show the difference between levels 0 and 1. Average monitors will not show any increase in output until level 5 to 8. If you do not see anything until level 11 or 12, either your monitor needs to be calibrated again using a higher black point or your ambient lighting is too bright."


Wow thanks for that link... I can't make out 0 - 2, but from 3 on I can see the differences. I guess my monitor isn't off as much as I thought it was. Great tool! :o)
 06/15/2005 05:37:39 PM · #59
Thanks Eddy - another tool thats helpful. I have some work to do as mine did not register until 6.
 06/15/2005 05:56:11 PM · #60
These are great tools. I hope no one minds that I'm going to start a spinoff thread about monitor calibration in case people get hung up on the earlier posts and abandon this one before they get to this stuff.
 06/17/2005 01:36:46 PM · #61
I never vote without really studying the picture, yet I will say that sometimes if I review alot of them, by the time I get to the end, I might be more quick to judge so I can get to the next one. I've already vowed to make myself spend more time on the future challenges and do a quick study, then go back again and vote after considering each in depth.

Judy
 06/17/2005 01:39:58 PM · #62
Originally posted by kirbic:

IMO we should do away with the thmbnail view for images that have not been voted on. It provides a simple way to defeat the "randomized" presentation order, which in turn means that images that have attractive thumbs get more votes.


AGREE 110% !!!

Message edited by author 2005-06-17 14:04:27.
 06/17/2005 01:46:05 PM · #63
Originally posted by laurielblack:
Originally posted by EddyG:
An interesting "test" is the animated test pattern on this page. From that page: "A top quality monitor using an excellent calibration system can show the difference between levels 0 and 1. Average monitors will not show any increase in output until level 5 to 8. If you do not see anything until level 11 or 12, either your monitor needs to be calibrated again using a higher black point or your ambient lighting is too bright."


Wow thanks for that link... I can't make out 0 - 2, but from 3 on I can see the differences. I guess my monitor isn't off as much as I thought it was. Great tool! :o)

6 is where I start seeing a difference. Calibration OK, I guess.

Message edited by author 2005-06-17 14:04:36.
 06/17/2005 02:05:42 PM · #64
Originally posted by Beetle:
Originally posted by riot:
Or just remove the top voting buttons, make sure they have to scroll to the comments box to vote - more tempting to comment that way too.

I have asked for that several times, as I am sure that many dial up people click in their vote before they even get to see 5% of the full photo.



Actually, it is probably more likely (well, maybe not more, but at least equally likely) that they only vote on the minimum number of pictures in the challenge. :)

As a dial-up [s]victim[/s] user, there are some challenges that it would take me literally hours to vote on. It could be upwards of 100 hours/week for me to vote on challenges with only 250 pictures (adn that is only allowing 20 seconds for the picture to load and me to look -- most of them take longer than that to load).

The upside is that I have plenty of time to really study the top half of hte picture. So, I guess for vertical images, just make sure the top part is stunning and the bottom part has any noticeable mistakes. ;P
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