Yet another thread about people's voting habits...

06/08/2005 01:10:45 AM · #1

Ok - for six months, I've seen endless threads complaining about people giving 1s on arguably decent images. Do you ever look at the bottom of the barrell and notice that so many people give 10s to ridiculous entries such as this:

No offense to anyone necessarily, but people who do things like "LOL - it looks like total crap and doesn't meet the challenge - I just have to give it a 10!" (hypothetical, but very close to some real comments). Am I the only one that thinks this pollutes the whole system and encourages people to enter stuff like that? You can go on and on about how it is a legitimate interpretation, bla, bla, bla. I was really surprised at some of the names I saw on those comments on this and other bad entries.

Even if you don't care about people giving out "pity points" - think about how much time is wasted by voters trying to assess whether it is legit or a mistake, or what - adjusting their monitors, etc., then typing up some thoughtful comments as if the person didn't enter it as a joke. Compare that amount of collective time to the 2 seconds of thoughtlessness it took to post some blank jpg. I try to vote on all images and since there is no "skip" ot "ignore" button, I can't pass over these things without them popping back up all the time.

Feel free to move this to the rant forum if it sounds like I am ranting - cuz, well, I am dammit. :(

I anxiously await the defenders of this crap...

mandyturner

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

06/08/2005 01:12:49 AM · #2

I agree with you totally!

added(these entries should be a DQ)

Message edited by author 2005-06-08 01:13:34.

love

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

06/08/2005 01:13:04 AM · #3

bravo!! (... and you might want to be prepared for the black version of this image in the darkness challenge) ; )

Message edited by author 2005-06-08 01:16:12.

srdanz

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

06/08/2005 01:19:19 AM · #4

Ken,
Save your energy for the next issue of the Enquirer...

:-)

06/08/2005 01:20:34 AM · #5

Originally posted by fotoshootme:

bravo!! (... and you might want to be prepared for the black version of this image in the darkness challenge) ; )

I'm keeping my eyes closed during that one. :P

edit: by the way, the lens cap entry has already been submitted to the darkness challenge.

Open Challenge: Darkness
Rules: Basic Editing (Updated 1/5/05)
Submission: Jun. 8th - Jun. 14th
Submissions: 1
View Details and Submit

Message edited by author 2005-06-08 01:23:53.

tfarrell23

Sony DSC-F828

06/08/2005 01:23:20 AM · #6

Black has already been done... many times...we always get the extreme humor and or artistic view...it is part of the game... and "Out of the Box".... it is expected... but as you can see..doesn't score well... and the Black ones in fact are among the lowest scoring PICS on DPC

princess

06/08/2005 01:25:36 AM · #7

Ok, I realize that I'm new here, and I don't have a camera so obviously I can't enter challenges. But I can see that this particular photographer had a sense of humor and shot white on white. I personally get the joke and I like it, the same as quite a few did gathering from the comments and from what I see, quite another few gave him ones for the vote, (134 if I remember correctly), so I guess my question is, what do you care? Why does it bother you? It all once again comes down to what people like and what they don't, and it will reflect in their vote. I did not vote in that challenge, but I'd given it an 8 if I had. :)

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

06/08/2005 01:26:33 AM · #8

Creative humor I don't mind at all. It may not (and usually should not score well - that goes for some of my flop entries - unless it fits the challenge and has all the other ingredients that deserve a high score, but at least some effort went in to entertain the voters.

Arcanist

Nikon D810

06/08/2005 01:27:08 AM · #9

I have to say Ken, I agree. While I thoroughly loved Charlie's image as a relief to the rest of the voting process, in my *book* it was a ten (a zen ten) - but had to choose 1 as it would have offered a higher score to the blank slate than even thw lowest rank I offered to my personal brown winner.

Now I have to look at the list of challenge entries in order from best to 'worst' and find a number of images that for some reason were pushed down even lower in the challenge rank than they should have because we falsely allowed the joke (or genius) of this image to outrank effort.

I have nothing against Charlie or the image, but I am disappointed to see that so many of us fell into giving (my perception) no effort a better reward.

messerschmitt

06/08/2005 01:28:54 AM · #10

I anxiously await the defenders of this crap... [/quote]

well i just have my doubts on people who think they have this divine opinion on what is crap or not
maybe charlie put it here so one can a have a real open and blank mind on what is crap or not
there have been artists in history have been told there work was crap
and now we are paying big money for that
soo i prefer not to judge soo pertinent

taterbug

Nikon D300

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

06/08/2005 01:30:36 AM · #11

hehehe, yeah, it kind of sounds like you're ranting Ken ;-P
however, I kind of agree with you though. The white image, the black image, the grey image, whatever, may have been kind of interesting and thought provoking the first couple of times it was done long ago, but yeah, I think the novelty kind of wears out.

To look from the other point of view, giving the benefit of the doubt, maybe to a person producing this kind of image, it is 'fresh' or creative to them, but in most cases, I think you are probably right, it is just an attempt for attention or to see what kind of reaction can be invoked.

As far as peoples votes on this type of thing, I believe firmly that folks are entitled to their opinion, maybe if they vote it high they are connecting on a level that eludes me, or maybe they want to ensure it does not win the coveted 'Brown' ribbon :-P Personally, I'm with you, I don't think I would score such an image very highly.

06/08/2005 01:30:45 AM · #12

Originally posted by messerschmitt:

well i just have my doubts on people who think they have this divine opinion on what is crap or not
maybe charlie put it here so one can a have a real open and blank mind on what is crap or not
there have been artists in history have been told there work was crap
and now we are paying big money for that
soo i prefer not to judge soo pertinent

Speak for yourself. I don't pay any bucks for crap no matter whose name is on it.

edit: And if this goes up for auction at Sotheby's (or whatever) in 10 years, I will still gladly call it crap.

Message edited by author 2005-06-08 01:33:01.

Nitin

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

06/08/2005 01:33:03 AM · #13

Bah, it was much better than many of the entries in the challenge.

messerschmitt

06/08/2005 01:33:18 AM · #14

[Speak for yourself. I don't pay any bucks for crap no matter whose name is on it. [/quote]

thats a good idea ..speak for urself

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

06/08/2005 01:34:02 AM · #15

I gave this image a 10 and went on record with it in the comments:

I suppose you are doomed here, but speaking as an artist I find this to be a perfectly valid entry. If ever there was a challenge when a white box were appropriate, this would be it. As the maker of "self-portrait-as-raindrop", I have no choice but to give this a 10 :-)

I would ordinarily do no such thing, but the sheer irony of of showing pure indecision as an entry in a "Decisions" challenge appealed to me at a deep level. I don't think my one 10 vote had any effect on skewing the entries, as has been impplied here; Charlie finished right at the bottom of the pile, and frankly I think his entry was a better response to the challenge than many of the entries that finished above him. I stand behind my vote.

Robt.

tfarrell23

Sony DSC-F828

06/08/2005 01:35:41 AM · #16

LoL..... I still gave the white one a 4....thing is, to me a 4 is thought provoking... but not well displayed

Nitin

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

06/08/2005 01:39:23 AM · #17

My sentiments exactly

Originally posted by bear_music:

If ever there was a challenge when a white box were appropriate, this would be it.

ergo

06/08/2005 01:40:03 AM · #18

Charlie,
Congratulations. Based on the fact that people are talking about it like this, I'd say the image is a success.

The 10s or 1s don't trigger my interest. It's the 3s through 8s votes that do. The image, I think demanded an extreme reaction, as there was nothing specific to react to that could be "rated." It's all or nothing. It's sheer brilliance or utter rubbish. So, how did some voters come up with 6s or 4s?

Would someone who gave this a mid-range score speak up and elaborate?

I gave this a 6, but that's because I was on protest mode (against the excessive discussions surrounding the challenge and some specific shots in it, during the vote) for that challenge and gave all but very few shots (which I thought were stunning) 10s.

Message edited by author 2005-06-08 01:41:47.

taterbug

Nikon D300

06/08/2005 01:41:11 AM · #19

Originally posted by bear_music:

Ahh, see, this is why I said that I firmly believe people are entitled to their opinion, and I try to see that there are at least 2 sides to a story. After reading this, I still may not 'see' it, but that is a very valid opinion and I wouldn't argue with it. I just chalk it up to different 'tastes'.

amber

06/08/2005 01:42:41 AM · #20

gave this image a 10 and went on record with it in the comments

At least you had the courage to admit it - now if we can only find a way to make the people who give ones own up.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

06/08/2005 01:43:04 AM · #21

Originally posted by bear_music:

Thanks for chiming in Robert. Yeah, your name was one I was disappointed to see next to that. As far as skewing the results, I think he was referring to the fact that you gave a 10 to someone for zero effort and probably a 5 to others who put in their best effort. That doesn't necessarily skew the standings or results, but it hardly seems fair.

Anywayz - yeah, I'm ranting and venting. Like I mentioned, I see so many threads with comments from people who probably gave this one a 10 that say voters should never give a 1 for this or that.

Whatever. I'm taking my photos down and leaving forever.

...hah - I'm just kidding. Hey, why were you clapping, messerschmitt?? I obviously felt strongly when I posted, but I have had a beer or two since then and am calmer now. For the record, I was speaking for myself and was asking if anyone else felt the some. Some do, some do not. That's fine. :)

love

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

06/08/2005 01:45:04 AM · #22

Originally posted by amber:

gave this image a 10 and went on record with it in the comments

At least you had the courage to admit it - now if we can only find a way to make the people who give ones own up.

well I gave it a 0...so if that counts..count me in!

amber