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05/23/2005 01:45:32 AM · #1 |
I wish there was a rule that if you score a photo 3 or less or 9 + you must make a comment as to why the photo receives that score - the higher ones usually do leave a comment but the low ones are more of a concern!!! It seems that some people give lower scores in order to make theirs look better....
What are your thoughts toward this type of policy - I think everyone would benifit!!!
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05/23/2005 01:48:20 AM · #2 |
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05/23/2005 01:49:23 AM · #3 |
| The real answer should be "Voting Exposure Day" This holiday will exposed all votes of each member. Some folks do want this but they fear a pm melt down. ROFL |
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05/23/2005 01:50:17 AM · #4 |
That horse has been beaten to death. Forum search doesn't work or you could just go read all the posts from the past.
My opinion is that many people comment on the high ones and the very low ones and less comments on the near lows (3,4) because so many people run to the forum to whine about comments they received. I think it has had a discouraging effect on people.
Another thing to consider is that people vote on the first or second day and then come back and add comments later.
Don't sweat it.
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05/23/2005 01:52:41 AM · #5 |
This topic has been discussed countless times. It's generally thought that all this would do is have people voting 4 (or whatever the threshold might be) to avoid a comment, or would just leave meaningless comments like "sucks", "bad photo", "..." or whatever.
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05/23/2005 01:54:07 AM · #6 |
oh, beat me to the punch Ken :-)
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05/23/2005 02:00:34 AM · #7 |
As a newbie to DPC I have to say that my first few days on this past challenge were quite a blow to the ego. Then I started looking at past scores in past challenges and noticed that even the really well done photos often get scored low by people. I do wonder if there may be some truth to the theory that some peeps may score low to make themselves look better.
What I'm trying to say is that I got over it, the blow to the ego. I'll continue to plug away, I think. I figure that if someone has to intentionally score low to make themselves look/feel better than have at it. Perhaps they hide their own inadequacies, eh?
Seriously though I don't disagree with your original point but I cannot see what benefit the knowledge of a low scorer would be for me...well mayhaps some retribution. :-D (she says in jest) |
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05/23/2005 02:20:03 AM · #8 |
Hold on! My "Lighting" entry is getting clobbered. I retract anything I said and demand that the admins reveal the voters identities.
At least just to me.
...and ya think I could have their phone numbers and addresses also?
;-)
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05/23/2005 02:24:32 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
Hold on! My "Lighting" entry is getting clobbered. I retract anything I said and demand that the admins reveal the voters identities.
At least just to me.
...and ya think I could have their phone numbers and addresses also?
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I'm with ya on that, I'm ready to strangle a few voters right now... 24 of them to be precise. Maybe we can organize some Kamikaze Duckie attacks?
R.
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05/23/2005 02:45:05 AM · #10 |
I think we need to take a deep breath and read Taterbug's siggy.
Teehee.
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05/23/2005 02:53:48 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by marmalade1121:
I think we need to take a deep breath and read Taterbug's siggy.
Teehee. |
Man, when I read that, I just thought OHMYGOD! OHMYGOD! OHMYGOD! WHERE IS TATERBUG'S SIGGY???? I mean I just like freaked out! Then I found it. I am ok now.
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05/23/2005 02:57:35 AM · #12 |
Where's the Kamikaze Duckies, Ken? I was counting on ya...
R.
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05/23/2005 03:02:50 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Where's the Kamikaze Duckies, Ken? I was counting on ya...
R. |
I don't like to be too predictable. ;-)
Besides, I misplaced my ducks. :(
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05/23/2005 04:12:12 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by marmalade1121:
As a newbie to DPC I have to say that my first few days on this past challenge were quite a blow to the ego. Then I started looking at past scores in past challenges and noticed that even the really well done photos often get scored low by people. I do wonder if there may be some truth to the theory that some peeps may score low to make themselves look better.
What I'm trying to say is that I got over it, the blow to the ego. I'll continue to plug away, I think. I figure that if someone has to intentionally score low to make themselves look/feel better than have at it. Perhaps they hide their own inadequacies, eh?
Seriously though I don't disagree with your original point but I cannot see what benefit the knowledge of a low scorer would be for me...well mayhaps some retribution. :-D (she says in jest) |
Don't worry Marmalade, egos are often blown and people come up with the never ending conspiracy theories. You will soon get the bigger picture (no pun intended ;) and move along accordingly. You didn't do well in the Silhouettes because you probably misunderstood the challenge. I looked at your portfolio and the portrait of the little girl is promising although you could have used the fill in flash. DPC has loads of tips and tricks everywhere, give yourself a good time to browse and believe me you will start taking amazing pictures. Good luck and a big welcome to you.
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05/23/2005 07:55:06 AM · #15 |
Seems to me in the short time I have been here the comment "Don't take it too seriously and you will have fun" has been said more than any other. Perhaps this advice should be followed by more people. It is only a photo for one, you are not 'winning or losing' anything worth fighting over. And even though the ego is sometimes a fragile thing, taking the advice or comment/lack of comment in anything other than a constructive way is only hurting yourself and your ability to do better next time.
If everyone liked the same things there would only be one style and color of everything. How boring.
Message edited by author 2005-05-23 07:55:27.
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05/23/2005 08:12:27 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Alienyst:
If everyone liked the same things there would only be one style and color of everything. How boring. |
Yves Klein has painted a picture as if everything in the world were a perfect colour. It has to be seen in person to appreciate how perfect the colour is. Especially as everyone on this site has their monitors set up badly (what do they mean "too dark/colourless/bright/unfocussed" etc??).
But here is a representation anyway.
Yves Klein Blue
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05/23/2005 10:42:52 AM · #17 |
Well I would agree with most everyone here - I am not really ranting but this seemed like the best place to post - I just thought that if you could get enough comments that are similar you can make better judgment calls in the future.
I would love to have 1 challenge that you could submit the same photo with 2 different editings - (not sure it could be done) But it would prove interesting I think... |
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05/26/2005 05:04:36 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Xilebo:
Don't worry Marmalade, egos are often blown and people come up with the never ending conspiracy theories. You will soon get the bigger picture (no pun intended ;) and move along accordingly. You didn't do well in the Silhouettes because you probably misunderstood the challenge. I looked at your portfolio and the portrait of the little girl is promising although you could have used the fill in flash. DPC has loads of tips and tricks everywhere, give yourself a good time to browse and believe me you will start taking amazing pictures. Good luck and a big welcome to you. |
Oh I get that there are great tips and more here. Other than that initial blow to the ego I think this site offers a lot.
I can take the lower score. THe point is to go up from there. |
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05/26/2005 05:30:54 PM · #19 |
I still believe that a "1" or a "10" should require a comment.
*shrug*
I mean if they're so exceptionally great or exceptionally poor. The reasons for should be notable.
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05/26/2005 05:35:01 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
I still believe that a "1" or a "10" should require a comment.
*shrug*
I mean if they're so exceptionally great or exceptionally poor. The reasons for should be notable. |
I agree, but....
Then we'll have a 2 - 9 scale or useless comments mostly the former.
Message edited by author 2005-05-26 17:35:23. |
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05/27/2005 11:11:27 AM · #21 |
Scores in the 1-3 range should offer up a commentary as to WHY you are scoring so low. I think that as judges of someone elses' work it would only be right to offer up some constructive commentary as to why the photo doesn't work. Giving someone a 1 without stating WHY that photo is a 1 is really unfair to the photographer. How else should someone learn if not from other people's opinions/experience?
As for the statement that people would avoid scores of 1-3 if it was mandatory to comment, well perhaps that may be partly true. I do think the majority of voters feel responsible enough to back their low scores up with comments.
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05/27/2005 11:29:41 AM · #22 |
i disagree with 3 thoroughly, and as for 2 - well I don't think comments should be required for 9s. So it seems illogical for 2s as well.
Neither 2s,3s,8s, or 9s quite affect the score and more so the mood of the artist quite the same.
I can handle a three, I can handle a 2, but in my current entry if I have any 1's I'm going to public lambast and challenge the voters to come forward and state why. |
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05/27/2005 11:34:41 AM · #23 |
How childish can you be?
If you worked as hard as this to improve you'd be in the top 20
Originally posted by theSaj:
i disagree with 3 thoroughly, and as for 2 - well I don't think comments should be required for 9s. So it seems illogical for 2s as well.
Neither 2s,3s,8s, or 9s quite affect the score and more so the mood of the artist quite the same.
I can handle a three, I can handle a 2, but in my current entry if I have any 1's I'm going to public lambast and challenge the voters to come forward and state why. |
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05/27/2005 11:38:50 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
... but in my current entry if I have any 1's I'm going to public lambast and challenge the voters to come forward and state why. |
That's proved to be effective about a total of zero times in the past three years of DPC. But I'm sure you'll have more luck. |
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05/27/2005 11:49:03 AM · #25 |
I'd like to throw a twist into the discussion and suggest that the ones that need the comments the most are actually the ones in the 4,5,6 range. Think about it. Most of the shots that get 1's will have very obvious reasons. In fact, most of the entries I give 1's to are crap like "left the lens cap on" and obvious stuff that I won't waste my time commenting on when it was not a serious entry in the first place.
The 10's usually (but not always) have some obvious stunning qualities to them. If they don't, but I like them for a particular reason, I will comment.
The entries in the middle range are the ones that had potential. Those are the ones that need the most comments. Anyone agree?
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