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05/24/2005 03:18:18 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Which side of the glass was the gorilla on? ;-) |
rofl. Thanks, coffee on the monitor now :(
Message edited by author 2005-05-24 15:18:57. |
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05/24/2005 03:20:24 PM · #27 |
| We aim to please. You apparently aim towards the monitor. ;-) |
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05/24/2005 03:20:54 PM · #28 |
In my youth I was a very shy person, but now i am the exact opposite. I will talk to anybody anywhere. I have found a smile and a natter works wonders on most people. Its really amazing how friendly most people are. Of course you get the odd one who's goal in life is to be miserable, rude and obnoxious, but they are in the minority.
I am off on a photo trip on Friday to Winchester - great photo opportunities there - The Cathedral and of course the Great Hall with King Arthur's Round Table. Rang both places today and no problem with taking pictures no doubt I will meet some interesting characters!
Message edited by author 2005-05-24 15:21:20.
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05/24/2005 03:21:54 PM · #29 |
"Do you find that in encounters with other photographers in public they are unfriendly?"
[[[I find they are one way or the other. I've talked to some and they're quite friendly. And others immediately walk away if you approach or are very cold and quickly depart.]]]
"Picture This"
[[[Your problem is this. You had, without realizing it, fallen into the gorilla pen. What you thought was a photographer grunting at you was actually a gorilla. Please, next time - clean your glasses before going to the zoo.]]]
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05/24/2005 03:24:03 PM · #30 |
| I go to the San Francisco zoo every month on Freebie day and I'll see if I can find this guy next week :P |
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05/24/2005 03:28:45 PM · #31 |
Well then, If I fell in the gorilla pen I should stop complaining and consider myself lucky that I came out of it with merely a grunt, lol.
I know the guy wasn't deaf as I got a sound out of him I think. It just wasn't a sound I could identify.
Lindsey, we totally could be related. With one minor variation, when i'm driving the A word turns into a Dumb-A word. Its also a term commonly used when discussing my ex husband :) I'm a nice person too, I just like to "express" myself, lol. I do it for my own entertainment though, I don't say it loud enough for them to hear me, lol.
Also Lindsey, you gave me my "first" on being added as a favorite, i'm honored :) Thanks.
As for lining up your stuff at the waterfall, that reminded me of stories of ...........what is it? Lemmings? That sounds right, the animal that always follows others, lol. Even to its detriment? Is that the animal? I found it amusing to visualize. |
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05/24/2005 03:31:07 PM · #32 |
Fadoi,
WHAT??? Freebie day? You mean to tell me there is a free day and I just took 5 kids there? lol.
Anyways, the guy has gray hair, a bucket hat and a gray, long wide angle lens. Not much fashion sense and he tends to grunt. Briefly. He makes no eye contact. Maybe for fear of challenging his fellow gorillas, or photographers. |
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05/24/2005 03:32:40 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Picture This:
Anyways, the guy has gray hair, a bucket hat and a gray, long wide angle lens. Not much fashion sense and he tends to grunt. Briefly. He makes no eye contact. Maybe for fear of challenging his fellow gorillas, or photographers. |
I think you're probably describing someone here...
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05/24/2005 03:40:28 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Picture This:
Fadoi,
WHAT??? Freebie day? You mean to tell me there is a free day and I just took 5 kids there? lol.
Anyways, the guy has gray hair, a bucket hat and a gray, long wide angle lens. Not much fashion sense and he tends to grunt. Briefly. He makes no eye contact. Maybe for fear of challenging his fellow gorillas, or photographers. |
Some museums have a free tuesday and some museums have free wednesday in San Francisco. Good to check the website of the museums about their schedules and possible photography restrictions. I believe the exploratirium has free first tuesday and a fun place to take the kids. Of course Japanese Tea Garden is free if you PM me ahead of time.
First Wednesday of the month is free at the zoo. Lot's of people but I usually come back with a couple hundred or last time a thousand shots. Unfortunately I'm slow to post-process :( |
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05/24/2005 03:46:11 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by superdave_909:
I think that some people can be camera snob's and if you don't have equipment atleast as good as there's therefor you must be a
novice and a nuisanse, and certianly not worth there time.
And I have also came across those people that have money to spend on
camera equipment and yet have no talent, and think that they are better
than me because of it. Those are the ones that I consider a nuisanse.
edit: most people though are really cool and camera talk is usually appreciated! |
My personal opinion is mirrored by superdave's above. There are some very cordial photographers out there, but I've found that most of them are size queens (equipment snobs). LOL I know that this is not the case for everyone, but like you said there are a lot of people out there who consider you to be beneath them unless you have equipment equal to or better than theirs. Maybe it's just a male thing, but that's been my experience. I just keep telling myself that it's the content and integrity of the photographer (similar to the "motion of the ocean") instead of the size of the equipment... :-)
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05/24/2005 03:54:02 PM · #36 |
I knew about the freebie day. When I lived there in the late 80's I would go to Golden Gate Park and the museum on their freebie day. It was also once a month.
About encounters, I have only had one encounter with a very rude "Pro" who was doing a wedding. He was very mean to the guest and spoke to the bride and groom in an angry voice and seemed to be ordering them around. The couple was not happy with the final shots. I knew them. But after he took his shots, you know how guest will also want to take pictures too, well, he was mean and kept saying "this is waisting time." I just ignored him. I did not get in his way, because he was being paid "well." But I still got my shots and actually got better candid than he did, per the family. I have since seen him around and you know he was really nice and carried on a long conversation, so I guess maybe he was stressed.
I have met other photographer who seemed to enjoy "shop" talk.
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05/24/2005 04:06:37 PM · #37 |
Oh yes SJ, I agree there is truth to that. For sure. I don't find myself thinking that way but should I admit that I do feel pleasure if I know I have (IMO) a superior camera to someone else I run into? I do feel that but I think its partly because I'm so happy with my camera. I love it and I love it because its just what I wanted and I was able to get it. (I had to wait, but I was able to eventually) I don't feel superior however to anyone owning a camera that may be lesser quality. Just like I don't envy those with better cameras. Lens maybe, lol. But thats because I already have the camera of my dreams. I could still use some quality lens :) I know different people have a different ideal camera though. I am completely aware too that there are a zillion people out there with equipment that costs less with skills that blow me away. I am hoping to join them someday though! (on the skills part, I'm keeping the camera, lol)
I know some people are snobs though and equate expense with skills.
I'm crazy, I think I expected this guy to instantly recognize me as one of his own, lol. Like we're a seperate breed from the rest of the humans and stick together. But I got a warmer welcome from the gorillas.
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Thanks for the info Fadoi, I will have to take the kids to more stuff this summer. School is out in a few weeks and my camera is fairly new and I'm always eager to go get some time in with it. Museums and zoo's kill two birds with one stone. Kids satisfied, Mom satisfied :)
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05/24/2005 04:12:17 PM · #38 |
Sounds like a " Nikon Guy " :-)
Stay away from them ,LOL |
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05/24/2005 04:14:31 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Picture This:
Oh yes SJ, I agree there is truth to that. For sure. I don't find myself thinking that way but should I admit that I do feel pleasure if I know I have (IMO) a superior camera to someone else I run into? I do feel that but I think its partly because I'm so happy with my camera. I love it and I love it because its just what I wanted and I was able to get it. (I had to wait, but I was able to eventually) I don't feel superior however to anyone owning a camera that may be lesser quality. Just like I don't envy those with better cameras. Lens maybe, lol. But thats because I already have the camera of my dreams. I could still use some quality lens :) I know different people have a different ideal camera though. I am completely aware too that there are a zillion people out there with equipment that costs less with skills that blow me away. I am hoping to join them someday though! (on the skills part, I'm keeping the camera, lol)
I know some people are snobs though and equate expense with skills.
I'm crazy, I think I expected this guy to instantly recognize me as one of his own, lol. Like we're a seperate breed from the rest of the humans and stick together. But I got a warmer welcome from the gorillas.
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Thanks for the info Fadoi, I will have to take the kids to more stuff this summer. School is out in a few weeks and my camera is fairly new and I'm always eager to go get some time in with it. Museums and zoo's kill two birds with one stone. Kids satisfied, Mom satisfied :) |
Thank you Picture This... There's a HUGE difference in lording it over someone that you can afford a particular piece of equipment than speaking to another obvious photographer civilly. I'm happy to share whatever I have to give with whomever happens to come along. However, my personal experience has not been as kind as I would like to think people will be. Regardless, I still hold on to the belief that it'll all work out in the end and keep on trudging through the life we are given.
Again, don't get me wrong... I've met some phenomenally encouraging, supportive, and helpful people through this site. But as someone else earlier essentially said, you'll run into bad apples in any bushel... I'm still trying to see the good ones from the bad and learn the most that I can from both!
:-)
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05/24/2005 04:20:24 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Jinjit:
Originally posted by Picture This:
Maybe I should have smacked this guy a good one, |
Yes you should have!!!
I have met other photographers out there and it has always been a pleasure and enriching experience.
I agree some tend to be "stuck-up"s but after a couple of funny remarks they crack up and teach you all their secrets. lol
Once you see one of those snobs, just be more self-secured and make them feel you know you're better then them, regardless of your type of camera. The curiosity of what you do eventually will kill their attitude. |
That's an interesting approach that I'll have to give a try... Thank you.
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05/24/2005 04:23:55 PM · #41 |
I hear ya SJ. I guess thats why I was surprised. Because I've met nothing but helpful, friendly individuals on the internet and I'm learning from them on a regular basis.
I would share whatever I had willingly too if I could be a help to someone.
So, basically It sounds as though Photographers are like people in general, some nice, some not so nice. I guess I should have assumed that. In life in general, I am also baffled by the not so nice ones though! Learning from both seems to be sound advice :)
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Fadoi, I am much faster to post process as I have no skills, lol. I only recently got Photoshop and am slowly learning it. It makes for a much quicker post processing time, lol. |
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05/24/2005 04:24:59 PM · #42 |
I know I'm losing my "man card" for saying this but I also think it could be the fact that you are a woman in what he probably felt is a man's world. I think men will tend to be a little more grumpy when working and not want to talk to a woman about his job. A man needs to know(think) he can do the job better than any woman, however bad at doing it he is. lol
He was probably just jilted by the fact that a woman had a better camera than he did. Especially if your an attractive woman I could see this happening...not by me mind you. Take it with a grain of salt and be glad he didn't throw stuff at you like I've seen the gorillas do....ewwww yuck. |
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05/24/2005 04:31:07 PM · #43 |
I have to say jinjit, I did "look" like I knew what I was doing, lol. I did exactly what he did, lol.
Its ok "sabphoto" (didn't look up your name before I started typing), I won't take your man card this time. You may have a point though. It may have been an ego thing. Maybe he didn't want me looking at his "equipment". As for appearance, I may not be in my prime but my husband thinks I'm pretty hot, lol. And yes, good thing he wasn't like those little bitty monkeys, I've seen what they throw! Yet another reason to pack a long lens :) |
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05/24/2005 04:41:23 PM · #44 |
| Pitsaman, I hope you will still be friends with me when you find out that although I'm a diehard Canon Lover(My film camera that I used for nearly a decade is Canon), I may someday own a Nikon as well. LOL. As fate would have it, after years of admiring a photographers S2 pro, I found that I could not talk myself into choosing the 20D over my S3 when I narrowed it down to those two choices. Therefore, when I'm ready for a "back-up" camera I intend to get a D70 as they use the same lens as my S3. I'm guessing that I will go just as crazy over the D70 because I'm starting to realize I just love cameras, lol. So if I turn into a "Nikon Guy" what sort of characteristics should I exhibit? Grunting and such? lol. Actually, upon further thought, I just realized at that point I would have three brands of cameras so I could be whatever kind of "Guy" I wanted, lol. Hows that for covering my bases. My first love was a Canon though :) |
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05/24/2005 05:17:47 PM · #45 |
Everyone will jump up and down on my head after this, but when I am looking through the lens trying to get the shot that I want then you will get a grunt or the finger, because I think that it is rude to disturb someone concentrating on THE shot. So if he was looking through the lens then I for one will stand up for the 'rude' guy. When I am setting up my stuff or just standing around then please ask all the questions that you want to, I will happly answer them all and I will talk to everyone. Especially a pretty woman with a camera. and I will talk your head off and tell you everything that I know about camera, which is way to much sometimes. Most of the photogs that i have met have been great to talk too. By contrast, being a news paper photog and pro sports photog I find that these two groups dont talk much because they have very little time. They need the picture and the story and get it on the run so that they can get it back to the office or computer. and please smack me a good one, you might wake up with a monopod in you butt...
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05/24/2005 05:31:17 PM · #46 |
LOL, no James, I for one would not want to jump up and down on your head. Provided you keep that monopod to yourself! I may not have been clear, but the photographer was not looking through the camera at the time I spoke to him. He was standing looking over the railing like me and a dozen other people. I agree it would be rude to interrupt a shot and I for one like to think I have manners :) I may be "spirited" but I do have manners!
In this instance, i've come to the conclusion he was antisocial or perhaps short on time as you suggested and not deep in thought. In fact, whoever was with him I recall walked up shortly after and was chatting with him about something, so he did know how to speak. I wasn't interested in long conversation anyways, maybe just "Hey, hows it going. How you like that camera? Or maybe, get any good shots?". Thats about it.
You are bolder than me, lol. I might say a "wait a second" if I were looking through the lens, but probably hold off on the "finger", lol. (I do however threaten to whack my kids that are bumping the fence that I'm bracing myself against)
Message edited by author 2005-05-24 17:33:06. |
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05/24/2005 05:33:12 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Sounds like a " Nikon Guy " :-)
Stay away from them ,LOL |
Most gray lenses are those canon thingies. Prolly one of those expensive lenses on a drebel or something :P |
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05/24/2005 05:36:17 PM · #48 |
Personally, I hate it when people ask about my gear or talk to me when I'm shooting. Generally speaking, most people who come up to me are older men and have no quams about inquiring into the price of my gear, that's just plain ol' rude. And most of the people who chat with me while I'm shooting are also older men...I'm very focussed when I work and appreciate some space.
That being said, you gingerly asking if you were in his way wasn't exactly being rude. Him blowing you off was tho. |
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05/24/2005 05:40:38 PM · #49 |
i have to say when i go out and shoot there has only been one time where another photographer (we were at a wedding), came up and kept nudging me say huh, huh, look at me, i have a big important camera (not in those words)like he was rubbing it in. Here i am with a fairly small unnoticable camera (and for all of you saying i was jealous, yes i was and very fairly admit it LOL). But i just didnt like the way he was acting. He did this numerous times during the night like he had something to prove.
I might add, it was definately a nice camera but he didnt need to treat me like i was some kind of groupie
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05/24/2005 05:45:19 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by Picture This:
Do you find that in encounters with other photographers in public they are unfriendly? |
No, definitely not. For the most part photographers are exceptionally friendly and eager to share information about photography with others similarly addicted to photography. DPC is a good example of that.
There are exceptions and as such stand out in one's mind...
Last June I was driving around madly photographing a huge wildfire near Payson, Arizona USA. There were a lot of other photographers doing the same and it was a scorching hot day to begin with. I had to put my camera in a cooler between shots to keep it below its highest allowed operating temperature.
I had just finished some obvious framing of background fire with dried out foreground foliage when an attractive female Nikon user arrived. I was in love! We were having a decidedly friendly conversation until she found out I shot all digital.
After a short lecture about how inferior digital was to film she became as cold as an iceburg at the North Pole in the 110 degree heat. She didn't even take the picture I suggested as the ONLY foreground framing possibility for the fire. I thought, "Let her waste her precious film", after briefly considering renouncing digital forever as a path toward amorous possibilities.
I'm still unsure I made the right decision. LOL.
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