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 05/04/2005 10:33:09 PM · #1
One free study per month that would be open only to members that have a minimum 2/3rds to 1/3rd comments made to comments received ratio. This would encourage membership, critiquing of photos and we would have one topicless challenge per month that people could enter photos that do not meet the requirements of the themed challenges.
 05/04/2005 10:37:03 PM · #2
The monthly free study topic has received a lot of discussion, both in the public and SC forums. You won't find a bigger proponent than I peronally am, but I would say that given past discussion, adoption is not likely...
 05/04/2005 10:39:02 PM · #3
Making it a performance-based invitational might skew discussion in its favor, though. Worth a try.

Robt.
 05/04/2005 10:40:16 PM · #4
Looking at the extra policing of comments that went into the current Dreams challenge having this every month may prove to be too much work.
 05/04/2005 10:40:55 PM · #5
How about just substituting a member challenge with a free study, each month, make it the third or 4th challenge of the month each month and do away with the weekly member challenge that week. Sure would cut down on having to vote on three challenges in one week.
 05/04/2005 10:41:34 PM · #6
Originally posted by bear_music:
Making it a performance-based invitational might skew discussion in its favor, though. Worth a try.

Robt.


Absolutely! No harm in bringing up the discussion. BTW, Oly, can you clarify your "2/3 to 1/3" idea? I'm not clear on the math.

Message edited by author 2005-05-04 22:42:57.
 05/04/2005 10:43:14 PM · #7
I think he means you gotta have at least 1/3 (or 2/3, whatever) as many comments made as received. In other words, make it more generous in qualifying than the current one.

Robt.
 05/04/2005 10:45:48 PM · #8
sorry....never mind

Message edited by author 2005-05-04 22:46:23.
 05/04/2005 10:49:09 PM · #9
Personally, I prefer the unpredictability of the Free Studies- sort of an unexpected vacation from the assigned topics. Free Studies tend to draw a LOT of entries, and might have a significant impact on voting/commenting if they became more regular. The commenting requirement is an interesting twist though.
 05/04/2005 10:50:23 PM · #10
I think one of the problems with having 'scheduled free studies' is that say someone knows that in October there will be a free study. And they're going now to cover some special event where they know they will get a once in a lifetime shot -- so they could change their date on their camera to reflect when the free study will be.
 05/04/2005 10:57:32 PM · #11
Originally posted by deapee:
I think one of the problems with having 'scheduled free studies' is that say someone knows that in October there will be a free study. And they're going now to cover some special event where they know they will get a once in a lifetime shot -- so they could change their date on their camera to reflect when the free study will be.


That's a scenario that has been discussed and is a major reason that the Free Studies are unscheduled. The only real alternative is to run them back-to-back so that there's always one to enter, thus no driver for cheating.
 05/04/2005 11:44:41 PM · #12
Sorry it took me so long to get back to answer your question...was making dinner.

As far as the math goes, if you add comments made to comments received, then a minimum of 67% of that sum would have to be number made. A 2 to 1 ratio. Another factor could be taken into account also, although would complicate matters, and that would be to include number of helpful comments.

On further thought regarding these ideas, I can see a problem: the congratulatory comments made.

Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by bear_music:
Making it a performance-based invitational might skew discussion in its favor, though. Worth a try.

Robt.


Absolutely! No harm in bringing up the discussion. BTW, Oly, can you clarify your "2/3 to 1/3" idea? I'm not clear on the math.
05/04/2005 11:49:29 PM · #13
What i would really like to see would be a candid challenge every two months.. since this is such a hard thing to photography especially for me... i have done a thread on this but didn't get any thoughts of the sc and there were some people how liked the ideia...

Now i know the thread is going to die here... because i seem to be a killer thread.
 05/04/2005 11:56:23 PM · #14
Originally posted by banmorn:
How about just substituting a member challenge with a free study, each month, make it the third or 4th challenge of the month each month and do away with the weekly member challenge that week. Sure would cut down on having to vote on three challenges in one week.


I like this idea. Scheduling the week it would run on at random would curb cheating somewhat.
 05/05/2005 12:04:57 AM · #15
I favor more frequent free studies because I think they will decrease the number of people entering a shot really unrelated to the theme just because they can't bear to let the shot go.

Okay, I'm just making this part up now and haven't really thought it through, but maybe there is an alternative to free study challenges along the lines of a constantly rotating parade of free study pictures. Everyone can upload one picture every two or four weeks if they happen to have taken a nice picture that doesn't fit any challenges. A few of the ones that score over a certain score (or possibly no scores, just a check box "should this be in the rotating featured pics?") are featured for a short amount of time - either on the home page or a special page for this purpose. No medals or set voting time or anything. Hmm... the thought needs work, but my brain is tired at the moment so maybe someone else can point out the flaws to me :)
 05/05/2005 12:24:28 AM · #16
i prefer more technique-based challenges, where the subject IS a free study but the limitations are style-based (i.e. "black and white" "motion blur" "high key", etc.) i think that would still add a "challenge" aspect, but allow more freedom in choosing subjects.
 05/05/2005 12:28:41 AM · #17
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 05/05/2005 03:15:09 AM · #18
Sounds great. If it was for people who had made more comments than they had received, it would encourage people like me who had fallen a little behind to catch up.
 05/05/2005 04:24:54 AM · #19
Originally posted by muckpond:
i prefer more technique-based challenges, where the subject IS a free study but the limitations are style-based (i.e. "black and white" "motion blur" "high key", etc.) i think that would still add a "challenge" aspect, but allow more freedom in choosing subjects.


Absolutely agree...

I think technique based challenges are a great idea and I know I have proposed them often in the past.

I also think that, more than content/ theme based challenges, they can bare to be repeated reasonably regularly too since people can change their subject matter so as not to repeat their earlier work but still improve their skills in that technique.
 05/05/2005 04:28:02 AM · #20
Motion Blur
Natural Lighting
Artificial Lighting
Multiple Light Sources
Backlighting
Silhouettes
Wide-Angle
Framing
Viewpoint
Parallel Lines
High Contrast
Panorama
Black and White
Centred Compositions
Low Key
High Key

Many of these (most of which I've suggested before) have since made it into the challenge list and been done but could certainly be done again.
 05/05/2005 07:40:02 AM · #21
I think it's the best idea I've seen tossed around altogether.

Based on a meritocracy type of system, however it breaks down, would be fine. Or just leave it open to anyone and save the hassle of hearing about all the useless comments that are being left, simply to qualify.
 05/05/2005 07:49:26 AM · #22
I think we should have a Free Study challenge every season. 4 times a year is just enough to keep it special. Every month? It would lose it's charm.
 05/05/2005 08:17:04 AM · #23
ok...how about this...

How about instead of a free-study per month where everyone votes, how about each month, members can submit their free-study shot in a special section, then there can be a couple of chosen members (jurors if you will) that select a photo of the month or something like that from the bunch.

The voting scale would basically be to run through the photos, click (NO) on the ones you, personally didn't like, then with the remaining ones, judge 10 of them from 1-10 accordingly.
 05/05/2005 08:21:38 AM · #24
Originally posted by deapee:
I think one of the problems with having 'scheduled free studies' is that say someone knows that in October there will be a free study. And they're going now to cover some special event where they know they will get a once in a lifetime shot -- so they could change their date on their camera to reflect when the free study will be.


The last FREE STUDY included any shots taken within the previous four weeks. If every month there was a free study that allowed any shot taken during the previous month, then the need to cheat by altering your exif dates would not exist.

For the record, I like the monthly free study idea. Make it the first member challenge of the month like banmorn said, allow any shots taken since the last free study, and require voting on only 10% of the entries since the number of photos would be so great :o)
 05/05/2005 08:28:23 AM · #25
If we have a poll, and there's a significant majority, can we have regular monthly free studies?

I for one love to see the best of what members have been up to in any given month, and these shots won't necessarily make their way into a regular challenge. Looking through every person's portfolio isn't practical, and looking at all the uploaded shots means sorting through a lot of shots which don't represent the best of each member.
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