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 04/27/2005 07:08:01 PM · #1
Those of you who are Canon 20D users, do you find that your images are flat, dull? I have changed my settings several different ways and I still get flat color photos.

I also use the Nikon D70 camera, and those images of the same subject turn out with more color and vibrant, with out using Photoshop.

Any thoughts.

04/27/2005 07:16:41 PM · #2
Originally posted by zagman:
Those of you who are Canon 20D users, do you find that your images are flat, dull? I have changed my settings several different ways and I still get flat color photos.

I also use the Nikon D70 camera, and those images of the same subject turn out with more color and vibrant, with out using Photoshop.

Any thoughts.


I have never used a D70, so I really can't compare. I have used the 20D, which produces pretty much the same image quality my 10Ds do. I'm very happy with it and do not find them colour-flat at all.

If you shoot RAW, well, all you're interested in is dynamic range. You can do so much via the RAW converter and then in PS. In the end you should have reasonable glory. ;-)

If you're still not happy, have a look at Fred Miranda's (fredmiranda.com) Velvia Vision plugin. It may just be what you're looking for.
04/27/2005 07:18:21 PM · #3
try setting your parameters to a custom setting, i always put mine at maximum sharpness, maximum contrast, and maximum saturation

that seems to help a bit
 04/27/2005 07:18:29 PM · #4
Do you think it's also partly the nature of the beast. (digital) Particularly in some lighting conditions?
Justine
 04/27/2005 07:25:56 PM · #5
Originally posted by zagman:
Those of you who are Canon 20D users, do you find that your images are flat, dull? I have changed my settings several different ways and I still get flat color photos.

I also use the Nikon D70 camera, and those images of the same subject turn out with more color and vibrant, with out using Photoshop.

Any thoughts.


Just out of interest, do you have any comparison shots you are referring to as flat.
 04/27/2005 07:40:06 PM · #6
I have never seen anything "flat" color wise come from my "limited" experience since getting the 20D. It has alot better color to me than did my Sony F717 that I upgraded from.
 04/27/2005 08:20:38 PM · #7
D70 owners - make that Nikonians in general - seem to be proud of the color reproduction out of their cameras. DPR (www.dpreview.com) Phil Askey also seems to mention it in his DSLR reviews.

I don't think this is anything new. It's more or less a matter of preference and while I like to tweak the saturation in my RAW conversion workflow, I am satisfied with the color out of the camera using JPG.

I agree that the colors could use a saturation boost but I wouldn't necessarily call it flat.
 04/27/2005 08:25:53 PM · #8
Yes, in a canon vs nikon color contest, the Nikon's win. I think you'll find the canon's do a more accurate color reproduction, but the nikons are more saturated or more contrasty or more vibrant or something along those lines.

You'll get used to it. Custom WB helps. I notice it most on cloudy / overcast days.
 04/27/2005 08:39:26 PM · #9
I find that my 20D give me pretty much exact real life - which is often not so bright and vibrant. I now only shoot in RAW and when I convert the RAW in Photoshop it's amazing what you can do before it's actually imported into photoshop. Let me dig up a comparison for you to see...
 04/27/2005 08:46:25 PM · #10
Here they are:

Original JPEG: Untouched as the camera took it:


Original RAW as imported by Photoshop (same photo)


Hope that helps
 04/27/2005 08:57:09 PM · #11
Are you saying those are the exact same unprocessed images - just one is RAW and the other JPG?
04/27/2005 09:00:08 PM · #12
The conversion to JPG (or importing into PS) is processing (can modify WB, color saturation, hues, levels, curves, sharpness, etc in the conversion).

Message edited by author 2005-04-27 21:01:55.
 04/27/2005 09:02:57 PM · #13
Because RAW allows you to reset your values on almost everything you can basically choose how you want the file to be read - So I set the values for what I needed in that photo
04/27/2005 09:16:23 PM · #14
Thank you everyone. I appreciate your timely feedback. I don't normally shoot in RAW. I have cranked up my custom settings to the max.

I do prefer my Canon 20D over my slower Nikon D70, because of my work.

I will experiment with RAW frames. Thnx...
 04/27/2005 10:15:42 PM · #15
Lenses have differing characteristics in regard to saturation, contrast, and sharpness so a comparison between a Nikon and a Canon DSLR would be more valid if you were using the same model (third party) lens on both.
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