Exclusions Challenge - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II

04/18/2005 08:41:26 PM · #1

How about a free study challenge where many specific subjects/techniques are banned. For instance: No Pets, no children, no sunset/sunrise, no flowers, no macro, no subject shot through glass with water drops on it... you get the idea.

Actually, it could be the Outside the Box challenge where the box is clearly defined by these exclusions. Then the "box" is considered a no fly zone but as long as you're outside the box, anything goes.

Thoughts? Or, has this already been suggested?

oskar

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

04/18/2005 08:44:29 PM · #2

Probably one of the best ideas I've heard !

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

04/18/2005 08:44:32 PM · #3

Ok, so a painfully easy search shows me that an outside the box challenge has been suggested, but I think my approach is different. The other thread is here

Gauti

Canon EOS-7D

04/18/2005 08:47:07 PM · #4

neat idea
no flags either
no bugs/flowers in macro but any thing else ok in macro

I like it

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

04/18/2005 11:31:50 PM · #5

Originally posted by Gauti:

neat idea
no flags either
no bugs/flowers in macro but any thing else ok in macro

I like it

Exactly. Make a lot of the subjects/styles that people like to shoot here taboo. The list could get very long...

Message edited by author 2005-04-18 23:32:06.

nico_blue

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

04/18/2005 11:33:12 PM · #6

I am completely in favour of such a challenge!

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

04/18/2005 11:35:57 PM · #7

We have already had a challenge similar to what you are suggesting but it was not a free study. Macro Without Bugs or Flowers

But if DPC did a Free Study challenge like this shouldn't it be named "Limited Study" Challenge?

04/18/2005 11:36:27 PM · #8

Why would you want to keep people from photographing things they enjoy?

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/18/2005 11:43:34 PM · #9

Originally posted by SDW65:

Yes, or the "Stay out of your box" challenge.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

04/18/2005 11:44:28 PM · #10

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Why would you want to keep people from photographing things they enjoy?

It was just be a nice change of pace and create more variety and spark more imagination. I like the idea also. The parameters outlined in the beginning of this thread sound very reasonable as well as the other thread contributors' additional exclusions. And I'd throw in one more: Beaches! "We don't need no steenking beaches!" ;-)

04/18/2005 11:47:16 PM · #11

A 'free study' where specific things aren't allowed isn't really a free study... Free study challenges are excellent learning tools for VIEWERS. It's one of the only times you get to see what photographers around here are interested in without some dictation of subject and/or technique. You will learn more by seeing how someone with a passion for a subject creates an image around it.

04/18/2005 11:47:41 PM · #12

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Why would you want to keep people from photographing things they enjoy?

That's not quite the in the spirit of what I meant. I just think it might be fun to clearly define a "box" and then tell everyone to shoot anything but that box. Sort of an opposite of the Rubber Ducky challenge.

04/18/2005 11:50:32 PM · #13

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Well, let's stop calling it a free study then. Do you like the idea any better if we call it by another name? =]

moodville

Nikon D100

04/18/2005 11:51:03 PM · #14

If you removed the subjects and techniques that are often submitted on DPC then you'll be left with very little variety. It's bad enough that people are trying to take photographs of things that dont inspire them in order to compete as it is. If you remove all the subjects that people enjoy and like then you are basically forcing people to take pictures without heart or spirit. I would much rather see images created by people who have honed their skill and love of their subject to produce wonderful imagery than cold, heartless pictures that appease a group of people who do not enjoy that person's subject choice.

To be stereotypical, you are basically asking for a challenge without the faces of Librodo, or the macro world of Jacko, the foreboding imagery of Heida, or the creativity of Scalvert etc etc.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

04/18/2005 11:54:56 PM · #15

Originally posted by moodville:

I don't see this as the only possible outcome for such a challenge. It's really not about taking away from the palette of choices the artists have available to them, it's about taking away safety nets.

Also, I don't see how excluding subjects would lead to less variety, instead, I see it making for a more fertile ground of ideas.

Just like any challenge there are restrictions, except in this case, they are explicit instead of implicit.

Message edited by author 2005-04-18 23:57:29.

Dr.Confuser

Nikon D800

04/18/2005 11:56:36 PM · #16

What an idea! Let's do it.

But we need to be fair to all DPC members' pet peeves I think. Let's let every DPC member contribute an exclusion. Subtract them from the definition to get to an out of the box challenge that excludes [member.1.exclusion, member.2.exclusion, member.3.exclusion, ... member.n.exclusion].

Taken to its logical conclusion, we'll get 430 entries all vanishingly close to a neutral density gray scale card.

Then let's vote. Imagine the forum posts ... "My gray scale can beat up your gray scale!"

[/lol]

Message edited by author 2005-04-18 23:58:33.

04/18/2005 11:57:39 PM · #17

Originally posted by BikeRacer:

Well, let's stop calling it a free study then. Do you like the idea any better if we call it by another name? =]

Personally, no, but I don't have to participate. I can just bitch about stifling creativity :)

moodville

Nikon D100

04/18/2005 11:59:13 PM · #18

Originally posted by BikeRacer:

Also, I don't see how excluding subjects would lead to less variety, instead, I see it making for a more fertile ground of ideas.

I cant even think of a subject or technique that hasnt already been posted to DPC. Maybe I'm just not creative enough :(

04/18/2005 11:59:20 PM · #19

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Personally, no, but I don't have to participate. I can just bitch about stifling creativity :)

I'm cool with that. =]

But, why does this idea stifle creativity more or less than any other challenge?

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/19/2005 12:03:48 AM · #20

Originally posted by BikeRacer:

Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Personally, no, but I don't have to participate. I can just bitch about stifling creativity :)

I'm cool with that. =]

But, why does this idea stifle creativity more or less than any other challenge?

Simple. It keeps a lot of people from photographing things the may like to shoot. Maybe someone should ask the question: Why does it matter to me what subject someone chooses to shoot? Are we not open minded enough to accept photos that we have seen over and over again or something?

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

04/19/2005 12:07:29 AM · #21

Originally posted by BikeRacer:

My question as well. Also - we're talking about ONE CHALLENGE, NOT changing the rules of the site. If it turns out to be a bad idea then so be it. Not like there haven't been several of those. :)

04/19/2005 12:10:43 AM · #22

I just stated my opinion as asked in the original post. If my opinion is not acceptable, don't try to change it... lol.. just leave it alone :)