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04/11/2005 04:25:25 AM · #1 |
I'm really pleased with this challenge topic - should produce some brilliant stuff (though can someone hand librodo a ribbon now and get it over and done with :P), but I just wanted to make sure that an image that contained only one person would meet this challenge ??
The winner (and incidentally this community's all time favourite photo)of the first 'people' photo had just one person, but I just thought I'd check. 
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04/11/2005 05:08:35 AM · #2 |
That's an interesting question, and one wonders why they don't word the challenge a little more precisely. Here's the description:
Formal and informal portraits, candids, group shots ΓΆ€“ just ensure that people are the focus of your image.
Now, taken literally, if one wants to be anal about it, this seems to require more than one person to meet the challenge. If they had wanted it otherwise, they could have worded it thusly:
Formal and informal portraits, candids, group shots ΓΆ€“ just ensure that people (or a person) are the focus of your image.
If they specidically wanted more than one person in these entries, they could have worded it as follows:
Formal and informal portraits, candids, group shots ΓΆ€“ just ensure that the focus of your image is on two or more people.
As written, the challenge is wide open for nitpicking, IMO. I lean towards the liberal interpretation, that a single person is acceptable.
Robt.
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04/11/2005 05:12:23 AM · #3 |
| And me who thought that no one could actually say something about this challenge topic for once. Guess I was wrong. |
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04/11/2005 05:19:38 AM · #4 |
I'd LIKE to say it's obvious that one person is fine as a subject, but I'm afraid a certain percentage of voters won't see it that way. Hope I'm wrong...
Robt.
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04/11/2005 05:26:32 AM · #5 |
Well, if we wish to be nitpickingly anal about it, the word people is singular only when refering to a body of people that share the same culture (which has the plural 'peoples') -- all other uses are plural and have no corresponding singular. So in Robert's example rewordings, the third should read '... two or more persons' as '... two or more peoples' is referring to more than one culture. :)
But do we really need to nit-pick? After all, can't an image of a single individual person represent a people? It makes an interesting challenge even more interesting, IMO.
One person is fine ... and yes, we should just hand librodo another blue and be done with it. (Porfolio link on the off chance there is someone not familiar with his work.) ;)
David
/edit: to make it say what I intended for it to.
Message edited by author 2005-04-11 05:30:39.
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04/11/2005 06:07:16 AM · #6 |
Heck, I would probably enter something like this (taken last Saturday)
Now, if people (or persons) ding that for only being of one person,well, so be it...
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04/11/2005 07:38:43 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
I'd LIKE to say it's obvious that one person is fine as a subject, but I'm afraid a certain percentage of voters won't see it that way. |
This was exactly my thought process when I asked the question - when I made my post I was hoping that people would tell me I was being silly to even ponder the point. I think the nature of the challenge is such that without an express requirement for two or more people an image with a solitary person would suffice - but like you Bear, I get the feeling there will be at least a couple of nitpickers out there.
Message edited by author 2005-04-11 07:39:36. |
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04/11/2005 07:43:43 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by BruB:
And me who thought that no one could actually say something about this challenge topic for once. Guess I was wrong. |
Hehehe... well I'm still not certain my free study entry meets the challenge, so while I'm at it could somebody clarify what is meant by the term 'study' in that context.
(By way of disclaimer - Please note the above paragraph is infused with a large dash of irony :P).
Message edited by author 2005-04-11 07:44:01. |
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04/11/2005 08:20:01 AM · #9 |
a photo of a single person who has multiple personallity disorder should fit the challenge fine...
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04/11/2005 08:41:40 AM · #10 |
grrr i got an AWESOME photo on a photoshot one day before the challenge!...I guess i'll use my photo in the free study.
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04/11/2005 10:12:48 AM · #11 |
The "abandoned Buildings" challenge says right in the description to take a picture of A building - even though the word "buildings" is plural in the title.
Why should "People" be any different? A single person should be fine.
Message edited by author 2005-04-11 10:13:13. |
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04/11/2005 10:53:07 AM · #12 |
This will be good for me, because I rarely take photographs of people. Most are landscape and macro. I feel the pain of growth impending.
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04/11/2005 10:58:21 AM · #13 |
hard to say because if you look at the way that the other challange named 'people,' it is worded quite differently:
"Some of the best subjects are the ones we have the least control over. Capture anything you want, so long as your photo has a live person in it. Your photograph must be taken this week (May 20 - May 26)."
im not a linguist so i dont know where to draw the line on this challange |
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04/11/2005 12:46:56 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Britannica:
Well, if we wish to be nitpickingly anal about it, the word people is singular only when refering to a body of people that share the same culture (which has the plural 'peoples') -- all other uses are plural and have no corresponding singular. So in Robert's example rewordings, the third should read '... two or more persons' as '... two or more peoples' is referring to more than one culture. :)
But do we really need to nit-pick? After all, can't an image of a single individual person represent a people? It makes an interesting challenge even more interesting, IMO.
One person is fine ... and yes, we should just hand librodo another blue and be done with it. (Porfolio link on the off chance there is someone not familiar with his work.) ;)
David
/edit: to make it say what I intended for it to. |
I think it would be nice if people could ask questions about the meaning of a topic without being labeled as anal nitpickers.
Why do you say "one person is fine"? Are you just in the habit of always seeking the broadest possible interpretation of each topic? Have you got your entry in mind? I fear you may be misleading some who will now enter a shot of a single person only to be met by some voters who think people means more than one person. Or do you just dismiss those voters as also being anal nitpickers? Is it any more your right to influence the interpretation of the topic than those you call anal nitpickers just because you are trying to make it broader while they seek to make it narrower?
This one is not a repeat of the earlier challenge with the same name-- please note that it is not called People 2, or People Revisited, as some repeats have been titled in the past. And as noted, it has entirely different details.
I think it's pretty obvious that a shot with more than one person in it will meet the challenge while a shot with only one person in it will be questioned by some, perhaps many, voters. If you want to stay close to the topic to avoid being voted down for dnmc, then enter a shot with more than one person. However, if you feel that making that much effort to stay as close as possible to the topic is cramping your style, or quashing your creativity, or stiffling your imagination, feel free to enter whatever you like and suffer the consequences.
How to interpret a topic is a decision each person should make for themselves. The challenge details are your only official guidance. Use opinions posted in the forums at your own risk.
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04/11/2005 01:06:06 PM · #15 |
honestly, does anyone stand a chance against librodo...
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04/11/2005 01:45:45 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by totaldis:
honestly, does anyone stand a chance against librodo... |
Yes. An image with people beat him in the Best Friends challenge. There were several people shots ahead of him in Pink, as well as Best of 2004, Candid II, and Color Studio Portrait challenges.
Message edited by author 2005-04-11 13:49:47. |
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04/11/2005 02:44:52 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by Britannica:
Well, if we wish to be nitpickingly anal about it, the word people is singular only when refering to a body of people that share the same culture (which has the plural 'peoples') -- all other uses are plural and have no corresponding singular. So in Robert's example rewordings, the third should read '... two or more persons' as '... two or more peoples' is referring to more than one culture. :)
But do we really need to nit-pick? After all, can't an image of a single individual person represent a people? It makes an interesting challenge even more interesting, IMO.
One person is fine ... and yes, we should just hand librodo another blue and be done with it. (Porfolio link on the off chance there is someone not familiar with his work.) ;)
David
/edit: to make it say what I intended for it to. |
I think it would be nice if people could ask questions about the meaning of a topic without being labeled as anal nitpickers.
Why do you say "one person is fine"? Are you just in the habit of always seeking the broadest possible interpretation of each topic? Have you got your entry in mind? I fear you may be misleading some who will now enter a shot of a single person only to be met by some voters who think people means more than one person. Or do you just dismiss those voters as also being anal nitpickers? Is it any more your right to influence the interpretation of the topic than those you call anal nitpickers just because you are trying to make it broader while they seek to make it narrower?
This one is not a repeat of the earlier challenge with the same name-- please note that it is not called People 2, or People Revisited, as some repeats have been titled in the past. And as noted, it has entirely different details.
I think it's pretty obvious that a shot with more than one person in it will meet the challenge while a shot with only one person in it will be questioned by some, perhaps many, voters. If you want to stay close to the topic to avoid being voted down for dnmc, then enter a shot with more than one person. However, if you feel that making that much effort to stay as close as possible to the topic is cramping your style, or quashing your creativity, or stiffling your imagination, feel free to enter whatever you like and suffer the consequences.
How to interpret a topic is a decision each person should make for themselves. The challenge details are your only official guidance. Use opinions posted in the forums at your own risk. |
I'm not in the habit of quoting the entire text of previous posts, but what the heck -- as long as we're being anal about it. Sorry, but your post just made me laugh. How can someone read this and get so wrong an interpretation from it? ;)
For the record, the first paragraph of my above post was 'tongue'n cheek' sarcasm directed at Robert's post directly above it -- in which I took him to be having a bit of fun with the challenge discription. A bit of fun he refers to as being nitpicking -- so I used the word. The 'anal' part is directed at myself for nitpicking the technically improper usage of the word people in his last example. Although the manner he used it is a quite common usage that I use myself. I used the plural 'we' in the opening statement '...if we wish to...' to indicate the continuation of the 'bit of fun' he was having.
Broaden the meaning of the subject? I think that's the first time anyone has accused me of that. ;) But seriously, the discription does not have to be broadened to include images of a single individual, as my second paragraph alluded to. I thought about posting reference images to illustrate that a single person an meet the challenge, but decided it was not needed -- perhaps I was wrong. So, for your benefit:
Definition: People
Please read the definitions link to above, paying special attention to #3; 'A body of persons sharing a common religion, culture, language, or inherited condition of life.'
A few images that, [/i]IMO[/i], would meet the challenge head on if they could be entered:
A few from librodo to start with ...
  
  
... but he's not the only one with the talent to capture a people with a single indivual person.
  
  
You may of course vote as you like, as I am sure many others will. But, IMO, the percentage of voters that are active in the forums is not sufficiently high to sway the outcome of the challenge.
David
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04/11/2005 02:48:57 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Britannica:
Well, if we wish to be nitpickingly anal about it, the word people is singular only when refering to a body of people that share the same culture (which has the plural 'peoples') -- all other uses are plural and have no corresponding singular. So in Robert's example rewordings, the third should read '... two or more persons' as '... two or more peoples' is referring to more than one culture. :)
But do we really need to nit-pick? After all, can't an image of a single individual person represent a people? It makes an interesting challenge even more interesting, IMO.
One person is fine ... and yes, we should just hand librodo another blue and be done with it. (Porfolio link on the off chance there is someone not familiar with his work.) ;)
David
/edit: to make it say what I intended for it to. |
Thanks for the links. Some amazing photos in his portfolio. Librodo is now on my favorites list. |
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04/11/2005 03:33:24 PM · #19 |
Britannica, I think you missed my point completely. The dictionary definition of the word people does not dictate what meets the challenge. And the examples you post, (including mine, thanks) are irrelevant because they were all in different challenges. The authority, indeed the only authority, on what meets the challenge is the individual's own interpretation of the challenge details. In this case- "Formal and informal portraits, candids, group shots ΓΆ€“ just ensure that people are the focus of your image." Anything else put forward in the forums is only an opinion, and often is expressed in hopes of swaying the voters.
I don't like to see overly broad details or interpretations because I think it detracts from the "challenge" aspect if people can put in anything they want, that's what free studies are for. And also because I think it works to the disadvantage of the people who try to stick close to the topic.
In the rules, both Basic and Advanced, it says- "While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly." You may not agree but I think that means reward the entries that attempt to meet the challenge and penalize those that don't. I think it is a part of the challenge system thats needs to be emphasized more, especially to new users here.
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04/11/2005 04:03:54 PM · #20 |
I will say this just from what has been posted and the pics mainly that there are some incredibly talented people out there and this just inspires me to open up my creativity,,,
I do have to ask what exactly "free study" means,,I realise a dumb question,,sorry
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04/11/2005 04:06:08 PM · #21 |
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04/11/2005 04:48:08 PM · #22 |
"Reclining On Sidewalk"
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04/11/2005 04:56:07 PM · #23 |
"Reclining In Park"
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04/11/2005 05:36:12 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by jensmustang:
I will say this just from what has been posted and the pics mainly that there are some incredibly talented people out there and this just inspires me to open up my creativity,,,
I do have to ask what exactly "free study" means,,I realise a dumb question,,sorry
Thanks |
A Free Study, as the term is used here at dpc, means a challenge without a topic or theme. You can enter any photo that meets the editing rules regardless of it's subject. Simply put, enter the best picture you've taken during the time period.
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04/11/2005 09:52:54 PM · #25 |
I've got 4 photoshoots booked this week, plenty of opportunities for me :)
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