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07/06/2002 10:28:43 AM · #1 |
I 've had an idea that may be useful to everyone. I notice that although excellent, alot of the comments I receive talk about improving on the more technical elements of the photograph i.e.DOF, F-stops(still not sure what they are), shutter speeds etc. Now these would be super comments if I had a camera that would allow for all that Manual control.
However, I don't and I guess theres a few others in here who don't. My fuji is basically point and shoot.
Could something be put on the voting page and image that would be simple to understand and would allow the viewer to know, what level of camera is being used for a particular image i.e. Low end, Mid end, High end, Professional.
This would allow us to comment in a way that was more useful to the photographer, when knowing the likely capabilities and limitations of their equipment and Would save some of our more experienced people more time. Pointless commenting on something that can't be fixed without spending a £1000.
Just a thought:-)
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07/06/2002 12:04:42 PM · #2 |
What would we comment on then? I certainly don't think it's pointless, since you need to know what's wrong with your photos -- and it might drive you to buy a better camera to improve your photographs if you get the money.
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07/06/2002 01:10:13 PM · #3 |
I agree with Drew.
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07/06/2002 02:21:48 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by drewmedia:
What would we comment on then? I certainly don't think it's pointless, since you need to know what's wrong with your photos -- and it might drive you to buy a better camera to improve your photographs if you get the money.
Drew
I agree that you do need to know whats wrong with a photo,however,we also know that alot of people (myself) included, can't afford expensive cameras. The point I was trying to make is that people would see that some1 has a low end camera ,then comment accordingly i.e. composition, creativity etc,rather than spending their time trying to explain that you should of used a greater DOF etc.
Where a person has a more expensive camera that allows for more technical changes, then fine, you can go into detail about the more technical side. I'm just looking at a way of evening up the odds and giving the people that comment a chance to understand at what level the photographer is at. Just an idea, not a demand ;-)
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07/06/2002 02:27:34 PM · #5 |
I agree too, you are getting some free schooling here. If you do not understand the terms, ask in a forum, get a good photo book, or look it up on-line.
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07/06/2002 02:40:43 PM · #6 |
I feel people are missing my point. I appreciate the comments, but they themselves are of no use if the camera can't do it. If some kind of pointer was added above a submitted image to state at what level the camera that took the image was, then voters would know what may be causing the problem i.e. lack of manual focus etc. This would then allow them to adjust their comment to suit. The better photographers with the better equipment would also benefit because people would be able to go into more depth about the technicalities, knowing that their cameras would allow for these changes. Thats all i'm trying to say. Its no big deal. At the end of the day, I really can't afford to buy a new camera, so If I beat people with better cameras, then what a bonus. It just means I have to be more creative ;-)
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07/06/2002 02:50:38 PM · #7 |
| I get your point, but such comments can still be useful in that, if the problem can only be fixed technologically, the next time you are composing a shot you will remember that limitation of your equipment, and either compose it differently, take whatever mitigating measures you can, or accept that you may not capture the image you really want. |
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07/06/2002 03:07:27 PM · #8 |
As a fellow point/shoot camera owner, I understand Dogman's point. But I'd rather get the comments on the things I can't really change then to have the site divided into "classes", which is what I think would happen if a note of "low end" was added to some shots.
On the bright side, I've been experimenting and am learning that you can trick many point and shot cameras to allow control of DOF and probablly F-Stops too (not sure what they are either :) ). I'm just starting these experiments (based on trying things and looking at the shutter speed, ISO, etc stuff you can extract (something I never knew I could do before I found this site) ). and will share what I learn once I've learned it.
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07/06/2002 03:13:39 PM · #9 |
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07/06/2002 03:21:17 PM · #10 |
A little off topic with the thread but, can anyone recommend a good photography book? (say, one you could find at a Walden Books or something).
I've been trying to take a class at college, but they are first come first served and cater exclusively to photography majors. Maybe when I'm a 6 year senior I can get in = P
Originally posted by Zeissman:
I agree too, you are getting some free schooling here. If you do not understand the terms, ask in a forum, get a good photo book, or look it up on-line.
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07/06/2002 03:25:19 PM · #11 |
I''d also suggest searching at Half.com (now owned by eBay -- lots of used books for sale.
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/6/2002 3:25:44 PM. |
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07/06/2002 04:12:44 PM · #12 |
Good photobook; "Basic Techniques of Photography:an Ansel Adams Guide" It does not talk about digital, but it is a very good book on focus, exposure, and post and how the final image should look.
F-stop: also called apperature. It is the opening that allows light into the lens. If is called F stop, becuase it limits light (stops it) and is based on it''s relationship to focal lenght. F 2.0, the diameter of the opening is half the focal lenght. F 8.0 is 1/8th the focal lenght. The wider the aperature (smaller the number) the less DOF, and the faster the shutter speed. A smaller opening, the more DOF, and the longer the shutter speed. If you have any way of controlling the shutter speed, you should also affect the f-stop. It looks like your camera (2200) has a fixed f 4.8 aperatrure though.
And I know it is frustrating getting comments on things you can''t control, or even things you did intentionally and like, but that is the way the ball bounces. I had a similar expirience with my first picture when I got 15 "too dark" comments. I felt bad that so many people took time to comment on the same thing.
Originally posted by Maverick:
A little off topic with the thread but, can anyone recommend a good photography book? (say, one you could find at a Walden Books or something).
I''ve been trying to take a class at college, but they are first come first served and cater exclusively to photography majors. Maybe when I''m a 6 year senior I can get in = P
Originally posted by Zeissman:
[i]I agree too, you are getting some free schooling here. If you do not understand the terms, ask in a forum, get a good photo book, or look it up on-line.
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* This message has been edited by the author on 7/6/2002 4:14:29 PM.
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/6/2002 4:22:24 PM.
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07/06/2002 04:32:52 PM · #13 |
As with any book, your best bet is to spend some time at a couple of book stores. Sit down, flip thru, read the table of contents and the forward to see if it is a book you could learn from or if you are beyond it, or if it is beyond you. I would suggest, however, to look for a book re: 35mm cameras and techniques, as the same general rules will apply. Looking for a Digital Photography book, I have found, gets more into "which camera is for you", and "picking out the best software", etc.
You know what, too? Check out your local library. See what they have. If you like it well enough to own it, you can look for it at the book store or on-line.
;0)
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/6/2002 4:33:26 PM.
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07/06/2002 04:35:49 PM · #14 |
Thanks for the suggestions, just finished comprising a list of books I want to check out at the library = )
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:
As with any book, your best bet is to spend some time at a couple of book stores. Sit down, flip thru, read the table of contents and the forward to see if it is a book you could learn from or if you are beyond it, or if it is beyond you. I would suggest, however, to look for a book re: 35mm cameras and techniques, as the same general rules will apply. Looking for a Digital Photography book, I have found, gets more into "which camera is for you", and "picking out the best software", etc.
You know what, too? Check out your local library. See what they have. If you like it well enough to own it, you can look for it at the book store or on-line.
;0)
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