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Samsung Galaxy S24, S24+, S24 Ultra

03/21/2005 06:06:44 PM · #6

Ahem... I'd be flattered if someone wanted to use one of my images but... I'd be more than a little pissed off to learn they'd downloaded a file of mine from DPC for use at home without asking me first, especially if it had also been interpolated.

Whilst one might argue that it does no harm and how would the photographer ever know, it saddens me to think that fellow photographers wouldn't show the respect one would imagine they would like shown in return - basic respect of copyright and ownership.

Of course, I may be jumping to conclusions and you all did ask permission of the photographers before hand in which case just call me a miserable old bat and ignore me!

;o)

Message edited by author 2005-03-21 18:07:22.

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm f/4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

03/21/2005 06:10:25 PM · #7

Originally posted by Kavey:

I fail to see a difference between admiring the image by opening it up when I want to look at it and uploading it as wallpaper so I can look at it at my leisure. Ditto the upsampling; it's still only 72 lpi and it's still useless for printing.

Now, if I was sending these "wallpapers" out to other people... THAT would be a Bad Thing to do. But we put our work up here to be admired, and I'm showing my admiration.

How about it, community? I have I (or Red Oak) committed a sin? Should I stop doing this? And no, I didn't ask anyone first, I just did it.

Robt.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24, S24+, S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm f/4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

03/21/2005 06:14:40 PM · #8

Originally posted by justin_hewlett:

Originally posted by bear_music:

...I upsample them by the step interpolation method, they work pretty good...

What is the step interpolation method?

You can upsize an image in small (10%) steps using bicubic sampling and get much better results than by upsampling in one step. Very good practice if you have an image that you want to print a little larger but don't want to reduce the resolution to accomplish this. All really big prints from digital use one form or another of specialized resampling algorithms. There are programs you can buy that have proprietary techniques for this. IMO Step Interpolation with Photoshop's bicubic is as good as any of them, and a lot cheaper.

Robt.

Robt.

colyla

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM II

03/21/2005 06:20:26 PM · #9

Originally posted by bear_music:

Originally posted by Kavey:
Ahem... I'd be flattered if someone wanted to use one of my images but... I'd be more than a little pissed off to learn they'd downloaded a file of mine from DPC for use at home without asking me first, especially if it had also been interpolated.

Whilst one might argue that it does no harm and how would the photographer ever know, it saddens me to think that fellow photographers wouldn't show the respect one would imagine they would like shown in return - basic respect of copyright and ownership.

Of course, I may be jumping to conclusions and you all did ask permission of the photographers before hand in which case just call me a miserable old bat and ignore me!

;o)

I fail to see a difference between admiring the image by opening it up when I want to look at it and uploading it as wallpaper so I can look at it at my leisure. Ditto the upsampling; it's still only 72 lpi and it's still useless for printing.

Now, if I was sending these "wallpapers" out to other people... THAT would be a Bad Thing to do. But we put our work up here to be admired, and I'm showing my admiration.

How about it, community? I have I (or Red Oak) committed a sin? Should I stop doing this? And no, I didn't ask anyone first, I just did it.

Robt.

I don't think you commited a sin...but then I'm new and I would be flattered as well if someone use my photograph as a wallpaper :)

RedOak

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

03/21/2005 06:25:19 PM · #10

Kavey,

I'm sorry if i somehow offended you (or anyone else for that matter) by stating my 'habit' of "save as wallpaper" images from DPC.com.

Just to be clear on my intensions regarding this matter; I do not share, sell, give, trade or distribute any pictures from DPC.com to anyone. I use them only for wallpapers (as stated, unfortunatly in very low quality). I've been considering asking photographers for higher resolution version of their work for wallpapers, but haven't as of yet done it.

I presume DPC.com could always install some safeguard system that doesn't allow users (visitors and/or members)to save (right-click and save as) materials from this site, but then again, there is always the 'print screen' that usually works as well. I'm not being rebelious, just doing the devil's advocate.

Overall, there is some incredible work here, and although its cool to buy 'Dpc Prints', those prints don't really go on my desktop. So i settle for low quality, 72dpi version, which are still beautiful to my eyes.

Sorry for bringing this up,

bod

03/21/2005 06:26:33 PM · #11

Some Rights Reserved

Fair use is not a crime, but in preparation for when the big corporates make it so I release all my work under the license linked above.
Download away, and if you want a hi-res version I'll see if I can find it.

Schuff

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

03/21/2005 07:12:37 PM · #12

Originally posted by Kavey:

Hmm, seems a pretty harsh stance considering they have already uploaded the pictures to a site that can be viewed by anyone even without a logon/registration.

I would find it quite silly if someone asked me for permission to use one of my photo as their wallpaper. It's implied simply by uploading it that you want others to look and admire it. Then again I don't have to worry about that happening with my shots. =o

Just my opinion anyhow.

coolhar

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

03/21/2005 07:19:38 PM · #13

There is a fine line to be drawn here, separating what's a permissible use of image taken from dpc and what is out of bounds. It would be surprising if we all agreed on where that line falls.

My own position would probably be that it is ok to use them as wallpaper as long as they don't go any farther. But how much is too much? Can you put it on another computer if a family member likes it? Can your kids show it off to their friends? What if your children's friends want a copy on their computer?

Everyone will have their own take on what's permissable. But once a photog has stated their feelings, or position, I think it must be respected by the community for that photog's images. Kavey has made it clear that she expects to be asked for permission so, unless you get her OK, her images are off-limits.

It wouldn't hurt anyone if it became a sort of informal understanding around here that we ask permission before using another's images.

bod

03/21/2005 07:26:52 PM · #14

Originally posted by coolhar:

It wouldn't hurt anyone if it became a sort of informal understanding around here that we ask permission before using another's images.

Good idea, but how would a newbie-just-rolled-in-off-google know about it?

Better to put your policy in your profile I would have thought.

coolhar

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

03/21/2005 09:15:45 PM · #15

Originally posted by bod:

Good idea, but how would a newbie-just-rolled-in-off-google know about it?

Same way the newbies learn most everything else around this site, by paying attention to what us old timers say in the forums, LOL.

Originally posted by bod:

Better to put your policy in your profile I would have thought.

That's a good idea, especially for those who want the requests for permission like Kavey.

mariomel

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

03/22/2005 12:42:56 AM · #16

Hey Antoine, I'm flattered!

I don't think there's anything wrong with what you've done here, seeing as you can access the photo anytime you want by going online. You could easily just mark it as a favorite in your browser, and open the webpage anytime you want to look at it, or save it and use it as a wallpaper on your desktop. I don't see anything wrong with that.

BTW, let me know what size you run your desktop, and I'll send you a resized version, if you wish.

Cheers!

Originally posted by RedOak:

My 2 selections(both in favorites) right now are:

Left: BradP's Funnel of Light

right: mariomel's Autumn Corn Fields

Cheers,

03/22/2005 04:43:51 AM · #17

Photographers load their images here on the understanding that they are giving permission to DPC to display them on this site so that viewers can see them HERE. This does not imply that they are giving up rights to their images and that, because they are happy for people to view them here, that it's fair for people to effectively steal them from the site for their own use.

Many might find it so flattering to have people like their images enough to want to look at them all day that they don't really care about the permission issue, and I agree with them that it is certainly flattering.

However, I do not think that liking something you see in a public place gives you the right to copy it and "take it home".

I like images I see in art galleries. That doesn't give me the right to go in with a camera, take a photo (it's the same as looking at it with my eyes, right?) and put a print of that gallery image on my wall at home.

Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM for Canon

03/22/2005 04:45:40 AM · #18

PS I do see a huge difference between bookmarking a DPC page as a favourite and viewing it as often as one likes and saving an image from the site without permission for use on one's own PC.

The same difference between going into that art gallery as many times I like to see the original work on the wall and making a copy of it for my wall at home.

bod

03/22/2005 05:13:00 AM · #19

Originally posted by Kavey:

But what about statues, murals, sculptures, fountains?

Part of the problem is that the moment anybody looks at your photo on DPC it is automatically saved on their PC anyway. Another part of the problem is that if somebody never admits to doing this you'll never know about it.

What can you do about it? Where does the law stand? Which countries laws apply? Do the DPC terms say what you can and can't do with an image which is already on your hard drive? What about the people who browse the site without agreeing to any terms?

Easier to just let people have the low res version than to stress about it if you ask me.

Oh, and another plug for my stuff ; )
Free wallpapers here

cbonsall

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

03/22/2005 05:50:56 AM · #20

I was just going to post what bod said...

Every time I view one of your images on dpc, its saved on to my computer automatically. Its totally different to going to an art gallery.

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM

03/22/2005 06:19:56 AM · #21

Originally posted by bod:

Better to put your policy in your profile I would have thought.

or paste it into the top of all your photog notes ;-)

ClubJuggle

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

03/22/2005 06:35:39 AM · #22

Whether or not a user agrees to the site Terms of Use, copyright law does apply to the images posted on this site. In my opinion, that means you should ask permission before converting a photograph on DPChallenge for personal use (saving it to your hard drive) and especially before creating a derivative work (upsampling it in PhotoshopÂ® or elsewhere).

In my case, if a fellow user of the site approached me about using one of my photographs as wallpaper on their computer desktop, I would almost certainly grant permission unless I had a good reason not to. On the other hand, if I found out they were using my photos without my permission, I would almost certainly require them to cease and desist all use of the image, and destroy any copies they had made.

In short, it's better to ask and know you have permission than not ask and assume you have permission.

-Terry

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX Aspherical DF for Nikon

03/22/2005 06:40:43 AM · #23

Whether I can do anything about it and whether it's morally right are two very different issues, IMO.

Uploading images to DPC is not the same as placing a statue in a public park. In my opinion it's more like agreeing to be quoted in a specific book published by a specific publisher. The quote can be seen by anyone who finds the book in a library or looks through a friend's copy but that doesn't mean that they have the right to copy it for use elsewhere.

The fact that I can't readily stop someone from using my images for a purpose that I have not authorised does not make it any less wrong for them to do so without permission.

And the fact that images are downloaded into everyones' computers' temporary caches still does not mean that a photographer has granted them rights to use downloaded images for anything other than speedy access of DPC pages.

The fact that most people don't mind having their images used as wallpaper does not mean that doing so without permission is acceptable in a wider context.

Chances are, if someone asked me whether they could use an image of mine I'd say yes. But I'd still expect to be asked and I shouldn't have to state in my profile that I want people to adhere to copyright issues just because many other people don't give two hoots.

Apple iPhone

03/22/2005 08:08:45 AM · #24

Is pretty darn easy to jsut message the photographer to ask to use a picture you like. I have a picture on my desktop, but went and asked if it was ok to use, and got permission to use it. Wasnt hard... didnt take but 2 seconds to ask and get permission.