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01/24/2005 07:21:19 PM · #26 |
Yeah, when I read about this at work...I thought there was no way that this ad was okay with me. Now I've seen it and it almost looks cute in the ad...strange...
Obviously not meant for mainstream television, anyway...
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01/24/2005 07:42:41 PM · #27 |
Should be interesting if that commercial finds its way on any main stream television broadcast.
Pretty clever.
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01/24/2005 08:06:18 PM · #28 |
Run the explosion in slow speed. It was well done. As the explosion starts you see the car squat down and the driver disapear in a bright flash. Then you see stuff hit the side window and when the explosion is over it is all still stuck there. For the finnishing touch, no one sitting at the cafe seems to even notice except one dinner who casually turns to see what happened.
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01/24/2005 08:16:45 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Should be interesting if that commercial finds its way on any main stream television broadcast. |
It was broadcast on Channel 4 News, UK. Mission complete for the producers! |
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01/24/2005 08:37:49 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
NO blood and guts, just the bright ornage of the explosion. Perhaps the most offensive part of it is that the "bomber" is stereotypically "palestinian" looking.
Robt. |
Are there any other kind of suicide-bomber? |
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01/24/2005 08:45:36 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by guroos:
Originally posted by bear_music:
NO blood and guts, just the bright ornage of the explosion. Perhaps the most offensive part of it is that the "bomber" is stereotypically "palestinian" looking.
Robt. |
Are there any other kind of suicide-bomber? |
Yes there are. Just not as common at he moment. You have Russian, Isbekistnian, Irish, US, ect...
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01/24/2005 08:46:35 PM · #32 |
*ClubJuggle waves to the nice people from Homeland Security who are probably reading this thread*
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01/24/2005 08:53:56 PM · #33 |
Do any of the more 'mature' people here remember the National Lampoon parody of a Volkswagen ad back in 1973? In those years Volkswagen liked to advertise the fact that their 'beetles' were watertight and would float if the doors and windows were closed.
In this ad parody, a picture of a Volkswagen 'beetle' was shown floating on top of some body of water with a fog-shrouded bridge in the background. The caption, in big bold letters, said "If Senator Ted Kennedy Drove A Volkswagen, He'd Be President Today!". A lot of people thought this was a real ad and really raked Volkswagen over the coals about it. Volkswagen sued, but instead of asking for money, they demanded that National Lampoon explain in a full page spread in their magazine that this was not a real ad but a parody. Volkswagen won the case and National Lampoon ran a full page retraction and apology.
Message edited by author 2005-01-24 20:56:07. |
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01/24/2005 09:01:44 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by bear_music:
Perhaps the most offensive part of it is that the "bomber" is stereotypically "palestinian" looking.
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Or more broadly Semitic. But honestly, would it have hit it's mark had they used an Eskimo instead? Sure some people of any race are sometimes responsable for blowing something up from time to time. If this had been 1945 they would have used a Japanesse in a Mitsubishi bomber instead of an Arab in a VW. This is 2005 though, and we see things like this happening on an almost daily basis.
So in my oppinion this mock ad is no more stereotypical then the acts that inspired it. |
Well, given that he's wearing a black and white kaffiyeh it is pretty clearly Palestinian, not just 'sorta like'
Message edited by author 2005-01-24 21:02:37. |
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01/24/2005 09:09:26 PM · #35 |
| That is an incredibly funny commercial. Too bad there are so many people who take offense at everything, I would love to see humorous well made commercials like this on US television. |
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01/24/2005 09:11:19 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Imagineer:
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Should be interesting if that commercial finds its way on any main stream television broadcast. |
It was broadcast on Channel 4 News, UK. Mission complete for the producers! |
I was more refering to American mainstream. |
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01/24/2005 09:15:23 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Well, given that he's wearing a black and white kaffiyeh it is pretty clearly Palestinian, not just 'sorta like' |
Jodanians, Egyptians, and Arabs, also wear kaffiyehs,
and he wasn't wearing it as a head dress at all. He had a checkered garment around his neck.
Yemeni and Iraqi men also sometimes wear checkered kaffiyeh. It's a middle eastern thing, not just Palistiniam.
Message edited by author 2005-01-24 21:16:49.
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01/24/2005 09:40:41 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by bdobe:
Is this an actual commercial put out by Volkswagen!?
If so, I must ask who was the marketing-genius that approved such a terrible campaign. Why would any company want to be even remotely associated with war, terror, and death. |
The beetle was designed for the nazis (no jokes). There's even a picture of Adolf at the plants inaugaration. But that was so long ago... Still, the comment above makes me laugh (in an ironic not so funny way...)
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01/24/2005 09:46:26 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Well, given that he's wearing a black and white kaffiyeh it is pretty clearly Palestinian, not just 'sorta like' |
Jodanians, Egyptians, and Arabs, also wear kaffiyehs,
and he wasn't wearing it as a head dress at all. He had a checkered garment around his neck.
Yemeni and Iraqi men also sometimes wear checkered kaffiyeh. It's a middle eastern thing, not just Palistiniam. |
Yup kaffiyeh is a middle eastern thing, and the black and white specifically is a Palestinian thing, or more recently, strongly identified with Yasser Arafat. Jordanian would be red and white for instance. Symbols are what they are and are usually picked for fairly specific reasons. Any decent ad director (spoof or not) wouldn't put something like that in 'accidentally'
Message edited by author 2005-01-24 21:50:58. |
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01/24/2005 09:52:04 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Perhaps the most offensive part of it is that the "bomber" is stereotypically "palestinian" looking. |
I don't think a Swiss suicide bomber would have quite the same effect. |
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01/24/2005 09:56:23 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
The beetle was designed for the nazis (no jokes). There's even a picture of Adolf at the plants inaugaration. But that was so long ago... |
Yes, this is true. Of course, whether right or wrong, because of the 50+ year gap since the end of WWII, that bit of Volkswagen history is almost forgotten.
Because of the high-production value of the clip it seemed conceivable that Volkswagen could've commissioned it; and, that anyone at any mainstream corporation would've allowed something like that, would've simply surprised me. Of course, it clearly was produced by an indy-house or something, perhaps without permission from the car maker; nonetheless, I still think that it's a bad idea -- from a branding perspective.
Yes, the clip achieves its sensationalistic goal, and it certainly is memorable; however, I don't think that the association between a consumer product and death/war is a smart thing -- even more so when the killing and dying is still occurring.
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01/24/2005 09:59:29 PM · #42 |
hehehohohihihohih.
pardon my immaturity.
heh |
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01/24/2005 10:05:44 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by bear_music:
Perhaps the most offensive part of it is that the "bomber" is stereotypically "palestinian" looking. |
I don't think a Swiss suicide bomber would have quite the same effect. |
I guess it's a matter of perspective -- given the Swiss' long-held tradition of neutrality, a Swiss suicide-bomber might've seemed absurd and, therefore, funny (too a very niche audience, admittedly).
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01/24/2005 10:11:32 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Yup kaffiyeh is a middle eastern thing, and the black and white specifically is a Palestinian thing, or more recently, strongly identified with Yasser Arafat. Jordanian would be red and white for instance. Symbols are what they are and are usually picked for fairly specific reasons. Any decent ad director (spoof or not) wouldn't put something like that in 'accidentally' |
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01/24/2005 10:17:20 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Yup kaffiyeh is a middle eastern thing, and the black and white specifically is a Palestinian thing, or more recently, strongly identified with Yasser Arafat. Jordanian would be red and white for instance. Symbols are what they are and are usually picked for fairly specific reasons. Any decent ad director (spoof or not) wouldn't put something like that in 'accidentally' |
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Clearly the clip's producers' intentions were not merely to single out one nationality; but, rather, to invoke a particular stereotype. I think that we can reasonably assume that the intended stereotype was that of Middle Eastern man -- regardless of nationality/citizenship.
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01/24/2005 10:26:08 PM · #46 |
| Maybe this advertisement is a trial balloon that the ad agency wants to see how well it's received. I didn't get a chance to view it as I'm on dialup and it was taking too long to download, but I think I remember seeing a link at the bottom of the web page to tell them what you thought of it, or was that for you opinion of the host? |
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01/24/2005 10:29:27 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by bdobe:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Yup kaffiyeh is a middle eastern thing, and the black and white specifically is a Palestinian thing, or more recently, strongly identified with Yasser Arafat. Jordanian would be red and white for instance. Symbols are what they are and are usually picked for fairly specific reasons. Any decent ad director (spoof or not) wouldn't put something like that in 'accidentally' |
Iraqis:
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Clearly the clip's producers' intentions were not merely to single out one nationality; but, rather, to invoke a particular stereotype. I think that we can reasonably assume that the intended stereotype was that of Middle Eastern man -- regardless of nationality/citizenship. |
I'll buy that. But it never would have hit home if they had not done the middle eastern thing.
I'm of Italian heritage and I own guns but that doesn't mean I'm gonna walk in to a resturant and shoot someone dead in their plate of spaghetti just to live up to someone's stereotype of Italians with guns. Every one knows that not all Italians are gangsters and not all Irish are drunks and not all Native Americans wear feathers and not all Arabs are terrorists. Stereotypes will exist and I see nothing wrong with dealing with them once in a while with an ounce of humor.
Message edited by author 2005-01-24 22:40:53.
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01/24/2005 10:35:31 PM · #48 |
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01/24/2005 10:44:09 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by bdobe:
[quote=scalvert] [quote=bear_music]
I guess it's a matter of perspective -- given the Swiss' long-held tradition of neutrality, a Swiss suicide-bomber might've seemed absurd and, therefore, funny (too a very niche audience, admittedly). |
How does one depict a Swiss suicide-bomber? Would he be eating cheese with holes in it perhaps:) |
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01/24/2005 10:47:12 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by guroos:
How does one depict a Swiss suicide-bomber? Would he be eating cheese with holes in it perhaps:) |
I don't know. He could be wearing a funny hat and have a long horn and his St. Bernard in the car with him.
Better yet, he could put the bomb in the barrel hanging from the dog's neck.
Message edited by author 2005-01-24 22:48:37.
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