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 01/17/2005 04:53:49 PM · #26
You get more blurred backgrounds with larger format sensors. just physics. That doesn't necessary mean you havea good background though.

However, i am not sure the voters get the Bokeh idea -- in this challenge, the top finisher has one of the more messy background which distracts the subject thta i have ever seen :) and yet wins the challenge.


01/17/2005 05:07:53 PM · #27
Originally posted by Mark of SRQ:
Originally posted by soup:
you might just need to have the BG a mile or so away to get a decent blur... ;}


This shot was made with a p&s, and the BG was very close. Also, I didn't even use the widest aperture, not even close to the widest. I couldn't use the widest aperture because I zoomed in a little. I used manual focus.



Wow, great architecture shot.
I would call it.... "The Architect"
It gets a 10
 01/17/2005 06:00:59 PM · #28
we are sort of saying the same thing. coupled with the small sensor makes a say 6mm focal length on a P&S simulate a 50mm on 35mm camera. but the aperture is much smaller.
P&S 6mm @ f:8 - 6 divided by 8 = 0.75mm aperture.
SLR 50mm @ f:8 - 50 divided by 8 = 6.25mm aperture - much larger opening - less DOF on the SLR.

Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by soup:

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it's not so much the wide angle, but the actual aperture size ( which is related to the focal length of the lense - which is short on a P&S cam ). even at f:2 the aperture on a point and shoot is tiny, therefore deep depth of field, hard to get bokeh. even a 10x optical zoom on a point and shoot still has a rather short focal length, therefore a rather small aperture at any given zoom.

correct me if am wrong.

You are wrong. It is the wide angle or short focal length part of the equation that screws the short DOF. f/2 at 50mm is enough to get descent bokeh on any 35mm camera, provided the 50mm on the camera is a true 50 and not some BS effective 50mm.


Message edited by author 2005-01-17 18:01:45.
 01/17/2005 06:07:16 PM · #29
Originally posted by paganini:
You get more blurred backgrounds with larger format sensors. just physics.


Sloppy physics.
 01/17/2005 08:52:30 PM · #30
Originally posted by paganini:
You get more blurred backgrounds with larger format sensors. just physics. That doesn't necessary mean you havea good background though.

However, i am not sure the voters get the Bokeh idea -- in this challenge, the top finisher has one of the more messy background which distracts the subject thta i have ever seen :) and yet wins the challenge.


Could you please point us to a shot that you think has true bokeh and not just a blurry background. I am having a hard time understanding the difference.
 01/17/2005 09:28:52 PM · #31
As promised, here's a decent bokeh shot with a VERY low-end P&S camera. Just a reminder that it's better to find a solution to a problem than resign yourself to assumed limitations. ;-)

01/17/2005 10:17:34 PM · #32
Originally posted by scalvert:
As promised, here's a decent bokeh shot with a VERY low-end P&S camera. Just a reminder that it's better to find a solution to a problem than resign yourself to assumed limitations. ;-)



You are an inspiration, to be sure!!!!!
 01/17/2005 11:19:56 PM · #33
There are "blurry backgrounds" and tehre are backgrounds that are blurry :) heh.. what i mean is, a DSLR will help you better control the background but not the only thing that you can do. The first place finisher in my opinion has one of the worse background in the votes because the background simply disturb the main subject way too much (i.e. the branches in the back are really messy). The 2nd place finisher, imho, has a much better background, at least the background is the focus and the main focus.

Bokeh is simply the qualityof the background. Background by default are blurred, but you don't have to use a DSLR to get a good background. You get an advantage using a DSLR because you do have more control over DOF though.

Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by paganini:
You get more blurred backgrounds with larger format sensors. just physics. That doesn't necessary mean you havea good background though.

However, i am not sure the voters get the Bokeh idea -- in this challenge, the top finisher has one of the more messy background which distracts the subject thta i have ever seen :) and yet wins the challenge.


Could you please point us to a shot that you think has true bokeh and not just a blurry background. I am having a hard time understanding the difference.
01/17/2005 11:24:40 PM · #34
I think a higher quality camera will always help imporve your photos, which is why perhaps cannon does so well in challenges. I also just think that a lot of people have those cameras. Its probably the most common camera on the site for current users and a lot of the people that use dslr use it because they have developed way past normal digitals so bought dslr (simiply because they are good artists and good artists need good tools).

I haven't won a thing but I know people with my camera have in the past and its not a cannon.
 01/17/2005 11:34:25 PM · #35
People like Canon beacuse it is one of the earliest affordable cameras (CAnon 10D was $1500 when it was introduced, much lower than anything at the time, then they followed it up with the first < $1k Digital Rebel).

Originally posted by loz1:
I think a higher quality camera will always help imporve your photos, which is why perhaps cannon does so well in challenges. I also just think that a lot of people have those cameras. Its probably the most common camera on the site for current users and a lot of the people that use dslr use it because they have developed way past normal digitals so bought dslr (simiply because they are good artists and good artists need good tools).

I haven't won a thing but I know people with my camera have in the past and its not a cannon.
01/17/2005 11:39:40 PM · #36
Originally posted by scalvert:
As promised, here's a decent bokeh shot with a VERY low-end P&S camera. Just a reminder that it's better to find a solution to a problem than resign yourself to assumed limitations. ;-)



And as I said in my earlier post, post-processing (or alternative) is definitely a necessary advantage to achieving bokeh with a low end camera. To produce bokeh straight out of the camera is almost (as far as I can tell) impossible and needs a bit more control.

;-)

edited to correct a totally incoherent sentence

Message edited by author 2005-01-17 23:55:10.
 01/17/2005 11:45:51 PM · #37
I use a point and shoot so I wasn't sure if I should upload pictures for this challenge, but when I finally decided to I had internet problems:(





Does any of them show bokeh? Just resized straight out of camera.

Message edited by author 2005-01-17 23:46:25.
 01/17/2005 11:51:02 PM · #38
Originally posted by paganini:
The first place finisher in my opinion has one of the worse background in the votes because the background simply disturb the main subject way too much (i.e. the branches in the back are really messy). The 2nd place finisher, imho, has a much better background, at least the background is the focus and the main focus.

However, i am not sure the voters get the Bokeh idea -- in this challenge, the top finisher has one of the more messy background which distracts the subject thta i have ever seen :) and yet wins the challenge.


The fist and second place winners got a 5 each from me. Number six and seven got some of my highest scores.
 01/18/2005 03:07:57 AM · #39

My bokeh attempt, a low finisher percentage wise, and a Rebel was used.
What i learned:
-I need more practice (this was about the 60th pic i took with this camera.) I used a 1x & 4x close up lenses on a canon 50 1.8 - and AF. I should have used MF to get the water drop in sharp focus. (I am surprised no one commented on that!) The bokeh is too creamy smooth perhaps..others with a similar bokeh scored better, so i cannot blame that entirely. The OOF area is a downtown skyline across a river on a very gray day. The DOF is EXTREMELY shallow. Perhaps a bit too abstract. But hey, I like it!
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